[quote]Now equipped with dual 1.33 GHz PowerPC G4 processors, 2MB of dedicated L3 cache memory per processor, and up to 2GB of 333 MHz DDR memory, the new Xserve packs phenomenal computational power and a rich feature set into an affordable 1U rack-optimized enclosure. Xserve enhances the power of its processors with a 167 MHz system bus and up to 2GB of PC2700 DDR SDRAM<hr></blockquote>
[quote]Apple today introduced Xserve RAID, what it claims is the first 3U rack storage system with a 2.5TB storage capacity, performance of up to 400 MB/s, at a price point of just over US$4 per gigabyte. Xserve RAID will be available in March through the Apple Store and through Apple Authorized Resellers with prices starting at $5999.<hr></blockquote>
1080i supported only on largest configuration? Don't know the numbers off the top of my head but I would think you could do it on less.
Apple's Fibre Channel card is a BTO for the PowerMac. Is that a 64-bit 66MHz PCI card? It should be. But the PowerMac doesn't have any of those slots so what's the performance hit?
I think the poster (asking why no FW800) was talking about the 'Xserve RAID' (given the title of this thread)... As for why no FW800... Well given the development time and the fact that all of the Xserve in the field only have FW400 it wasn't that big a deal and could always be added in a future bump.
Biggest problem I have with the Xserve RAID is how to back that sucker up... Apple NEEDS to 'embrace and bless' a really good backup system for people...
If I'm gonna get my boss to buy one I'm NOT gonna 'guess' as to what tape drive will or wont be supported.
Do you think Apple dropped Firewire support to concentrate on all that Fibre?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think they had announced FireWire support in the first place. I only remember Fibre Channel. Besides, I'd much rather have FC than FireWire for dealing with that kind of storage.
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I'm no IT pro so I don't know much about server/storage costs and setups. Anyone with knowledge wanna compare this to PC-side offerings? Wouldn't mind pointing this out to the IT guys at work (who are looking into new hardware) if it's in the ballpark. Thanks.
<strong>I'm no IT pro so I don't know much about server/storage costs and setups. Anyone with knowledge wanna compare this to PC-side offerings? Wouldn't mind pointing this out to the IT guys at work (who are looking into new hardware) if it's in the ballpark. Thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
PC/XServe comparisons aren't great simply because of the licencing costs for W2k/XP. When you buy an (initially more expensive) XServer that's it, no more licence costs no matter what you do with it, whereas a PC server is probably (but not definately) cheaper but the more users the more licences.
Well that's true if you do buy the licences in the first place
Who's going to be the first dummy to say they want the XServ Raid and the XServ as their main working machine?!
I remember someone in some thread saying how they wanted an XServ as their desktop machine when they first came out. If only they knew how loud they are!!
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And nice add-on to this:
[quote]Now equipped with dual 1.33 GHz PowerPC G4 processors, 2MB of dedicated L3 cache memory per processor, and up to 2GB of 333 MHz DDR memory, the new Xserve packs phenomenal computational power and a rich feature set into an affordable 1U rack-optimized enclosure. Xserve enhances the power of its processors with a 167 MHz system bus and up to 2GB of PC2700 DDR SDRAM<hr></blockquote>
Impressive. <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
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looks cool
like the use of ATA drives on a Fibre HBA
wish they would develop similar ATA to SCSI HBA
1080i supported only on largest configuration? Don't know the numbers off the top of my head but I would think you could do it on less.
Apple's Fibre Channel card is a BTO for the PowerMac. Is that a 64-bit 66MHz PCI card? It should be. But the PowerMac doesn't have any of those slots so what's the performance hit?
Fibre Channel switches are expensive
<strong>But no Firewire 800?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Read the specs carefully: [quote]Back panel?two FireWire 800, two USB, one DB-9 (RS-232); front panel?one FireWire 400<hr></blockquote>
Biggest problem I have with the Xserve RAID is how to back that sucker up... Apple NEEDS to 'embrace and bless' a really good backup system for people...
If I'm gonna get my boss to buy one I'm NOT gonna 'guess' as to what tape drive will or wont be supported.
Dave
<strong>Maybe he was reffering to the Xraid? Or maybe not.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep
Do you think Apple dropped Firewire support to concentrate on all that Fibre?
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Yep
Do you think Apple dropped Firewire support to concentrate on all that Fibre?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think they had announced FireWire support in the first place. I only remember Fibre Channel. Besides, I'd much rather have FC than FireWire for dealing with that kind of storage.
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4 Dual 1.33 Gzh XSERVES
1 XSERVE Raid 2.52 TB of storage
1 Dual 1.42 Gzh Power Mac with all options
2 23" Displays
all computers have the fiber optic card, rack, fiber cables etc . . .
<strong>I'm no IT pro so I don't know much about server/storage costs and setups. Anyone with knowledge wanna compare this to PC-side offerings? Wouldn't mind pointing this out to the IT guys at work (who are looking into new hardware) if it's in the ballpark. Thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?cid=22455&parentId=67713"; target="_blank">http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?cid=22455&parentId=67713</a>;
That's pretty much what the OCF bought...a 12 disk array of 18 GB HDDs 2 years ago cost us $10000.
Our Sun A1000 pretty much only works with Sun hardware though...
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
PC/XServe comparisons aren't great simply because of the licencing costs for W2k/XP. When you buy an (initially more expensive) XServer that's it, no more licence costs no matter what you do with it, whereas a PC server is probably (but not definately) cheaper but the more users the more licences.
Well that's true if you do buy the licences in the first place
Phil.
I remember someone in some thread saying how they wanted an XServ as their desktop machine when they first came out. If only they knew how loud they are!!
Anyhow, I think the annoucement is impressive.
Apple truly does 'mean business'.
Well done Apple!
What's this? One announcement per week?
Kick ass, way to go...
Lemon Bon Bon <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
But I am still more proud of Apple then ever. Way to go big Steve. We love you.
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