New PowerMac G4's boot only newest systems

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
Just installed one of the new 1.25Ghz DP powermacs. Quick machine, but with a new Apple "feature" that is a frustration. It will not boot into OS9. You can run classic mode under OSX, but not everything that runs under OS9 boot will run in classic mode. Further, I have a 3-month old OSX Install CD-set (10.2), and the machine will not that CD. So there is no way to run any OS earlier than the 10.2.4 that came with it (on a DVD no less) that I can figure out. The startup disk control panel (or whatever it's called in OSX) recognizes CD's with previous versions of OSX, and allows you to select them. But at boot time, the machine gives the little question mark mac, then proceeds to boot from the 10.2.4 on the default hard drive.



Anyone have any idea how to get around this "feature". We have classic applications that run much better with the machine booted into OS9.



Thanks for any advice.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 16
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    no 9 on Airport Extreme Ready Macs....
  • Reply 2 of 16
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    Or on the "new" 800 MHz iMac. It's really no different from the old ones although it does only boot into OS X.
  • Reply 3 of 16
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    [quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:

    <strong>Or on the "new" 800 MHz iMac. It's really no different from the old ones although it does only boot into OS X.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    really? that BLOWS... at least on the other macs it made sense because of the possibilities of ApE and Internal BT which would have to be worked on to get support for 9....
  • Reply 4 of 16
    overhopeoverhope Posts: 1,123member
    Nor the 12" and 17" Powerbooks.
  • Reply 5 of 16
    banchobancho Posts: 1,514member
    The part about the new systems not booting into OS 9 is not news in any sense. The fact that they wont boot into earlier versions of OS X is also not surprising since 10.2.4 contains support for FW 800 and Airport Extreme.



    In fact the only oddity seems that the "new" iMac 800 is not OS 9 bootable.
  • Reply 6 of 16
    nshirkeynshirkey Posts: 70member
    How can this be a surprise to anyone? This has been talked about for months. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
  • Reply 7 of 16
    Personally, I can honestly do without OS9.
  • Reply 8 of 16
    gullivergulliver Posts: 122member
    [quote]Originally posted by Luki:

    <strong>Just installed one of the new 1.25Ghz DP powermacs. Quick machine, but with a new Apple "feature" that is a frustration. It will not boot into OS9. You can run classic mode under OSX, but not everything that runs under OS9 boot will run in classic mode. Further, I have a 3-month old OSX Install CD-set (10.2), and the machine will not that CD. So there is no way to run any OS earlier than the 10.2.4 that came with it (on a DVD no less) that I can figure out. The startup disk control panel (or whatever it's called in OSX) recognizes CD's with previous versions of OSX, and allows you to select them. But at boot time, the machine gives the little question mark mac, then proceeds to boot from the 10.2.4 on the default hard drive.



    Anyone have any idea how to get around this "feature". We have classic applications that run much better with the machine booted into OS9.



    Thanks for any advice.</strong><hr></blockquote>





    Luki, have you been sleeping for the last 9 months? SJ announced this last year in July!
  • Reply 9 of 16
    overhopeoverhope Posts: 1,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bioflavonoid:

    <strong>Personally, I can honestly do without OS9.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    OS 9? Whassat?
  • Reply 10 of 16
    gsfmarkgsfmark Posts: 210member
    i don't even remember the last time i booted into 9.
  • Reply 11 of 16
    I boot in nine just so I can remeber the old days, Kinda like taking a spin in an old model 't', not nearly as smooth, but some how a little fun.

    flick.



    well not any more since i got rid of my old mac &lt;dual 533 adn got the 12" pb&gt;



    [ 03-05-2003: Message edited by: Flick Justice ]</p>
  • Reply 12 of 16
    macsrgood4umacsrgood4u Posts: 3,007member
    My new 17" 1 Ghz iMac only boots into OS 10. No problemo and certainly not a surprise as Apple has been telling us for months this was going to be the case.
  • Reply 13 of 16
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,261member
    It's not a big deal of course, but I do wish I could boot 9 on my new iMac... Reminds me of how fast Macs used to be.
  • Reply 14 of 16
    hadrianhadrian Posts: 40member
    All of this 'hey Apple has been talking about this for months, where have you been hiding' does nothing to help people wih genuine problems out there. Sure I have known myself about this and have long been in favour of the move, until I ran into a real issue with it.



    One of my old G4's has just died and need to get a replacement. No problem get a brand new shiny G4 - will be great, faster speed, more everything. Then realising it only boots into OSX.



    I would say the majority of people who need to boot into 9 is because of Quark - sure it runs under Classic, but not as well and some features do not work. And before I get flooded with 'switch to InDesign threads', yeah we aso run that as well, but when your customers are using Quark you have no option.



    Printers and graphic houses have real problems outputting from Quark in Classic to RIP's, hence the need to boot into 9. I could upgrade the RIP software, but can think of better ways to spend threee or four thousand quid.



    It took me three hours trying to load USB printer drivers the other day on a non OS 9 booting 12" Powerbook as the CD that came with it automatically recognises the OS your are running and wont let you install any thing different (eventually had to copy it in Toast and delete all the non OS9 stuff).



    This is a huge problem in the transitional period.



    [ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: Hadrian ]</p>
  • Reply 15 of 16
    aslan^aslan^ Posts: 599member
    does anyone know if it would work if you put os9 on a different partition and booted to it from open firmware ?
  • Reply 16 of 16
    idebaseridebaser Posts: 121member
    [quote]Originally posted by Hadrian:

    <strong>All of this 'hey Apple has been talking about this for months, where have you been hiding' does nothing to help people wih genuine problems out there. Sure I have known myself about this and have long been in favour of the move, until I ran into a real issue with it.



    One of my old G4's has just died and need to get a replacement. No problem get a brand new shiny G4 - will be great, faster speed, more everything. Then realising it only boots into OSX.



    [ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: Hadrian ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Apple is selling a Power Mac bootable in OS 9 and the Ti Book still boots in OS 9...look on the specific page w/ prices at the apple store and there is a link for OS 9 systems...
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