[QUOTESeriously, though. I don't get this love of cars that seems to be all over this thread (pun intended).[/QUOTE]
My car is this 300hp green and orange monster:
You can't really see it in the picture, but when it glistens in the sun, it is the most beautiful thing in any parking lot. Appriciation of beauty is part of it - you are appriciating the art of the automobile. Camera collecting is like this also, I used to love to gaze into the ocean of glass that was my 85mm/1.2 Canon manual lens.
It is also combination of the thrill of a powerful roaring engine that throws you forward, the finesse of the suspension as you fly around a corner, and the connection to the car that you feel when you manually shift gears.
"I'm in love with my car - Queen"
Words and music by Roger Taylor
The machine of a dream
Such a clean machine
With the pistons a pumpin'
And the hub caps all gleam
When I'm holdin' your wheel
All I hear is your gear
When my hand's on your grease gun
Oh it's like a disease son
I'm in love with my car
Gotta feel for my automobile
Get a grip on my boy racer rollbar
Such a thrill when your radials squeal
Told my girl I'll have to forget her
Rather buy me a new carburetor
So she made tracks sayin'
This is the end now
Cars don't talk back
They're just four wheeled friends now
When I'm holdin your wheel
All I hear is your gear
When I'm cruisin' in overdrive
Don't have to listen to no run of the mill talk jive
But the real market for hybrids is performance cars. Electric motors have maximum torque at 0 rpm, which means that you can go from 0-10 in neck snapping, tire ripping speed. Your 0-10 time is a big part of your 0-60 time, so soon the fastest cars will be gas hybrids (maybe a 300hp gas engine to power the rear wheels and a 100 hp electric engine on the front wheels).
Doesn't seem like that kind of hybrid would have an edge over regular gas 4WD's built for performance.
Or do you mean some performance cars will be hybrids when "regular" cars only have an electric motor?
I like cars, and I like performance cars, but I don't understand the fascination for off-the-line speed. I know launching takes skill, but nothing compared to performance driving.
Doesn't seem like that kind of hybrid would have an edge over regular gas 4WD's built for performance.
Or do you mean some performance cars will be hybrids when "regular" cars only have an electric motor?
No, they have a big advantage over regular gas cars. You know the 6000rpm clutch dumps during drag races? You no longer have to do that to get maximum torque.
Nothing, not the Enzo or anything else, will be able to compete 0-60.
No, they have a big advantage over regular gas cars. You know the 6000rpm clutch dumps during drag races? You no longer have to do that to get maximum torque.
Nothing, not the Enzo or anything else, will be able to compete 0-60.
So, the hybrid is more convenient.
I still totally fail to see how the hybrid has a higher traction limit than a regular 4WD, because that's what it comes down to once you have enough power to slip all four tires.
I still totally fail to see how the hybrid has a higher traction limit than a regular 4WD, because that's what it comes down to once you have enough power to slip all four tires.
Most cars can't slip all 4 tires, and even if they can, because getting max torque at low speed is hard - I doubt that they are at the edge of traction during their entire acceleration. Because a hybrid would be so much easier to get max torque from, you could concentrate on maximum acceleration much more easily.
Also, the hybrid engine required to get sub 3-second 0-60 times is much smaller than the gas engine with the same performance specs, so you would end up with a lighter, more throwable car.
When it comes to performance, electric motors will always win that battle. They are much more efficient than are heat engines. But it seems to me like there are some gaps in the hybrid concept that don't matter much for normal driving, but do expose themselves in race driving. With that said, I am interested in the potential for purely electric race cars.
Not only would they be faster, but going to the races would be much more enjoyable. If any of you have ever been to an Indy or F1 race, you know what I mean. Nascar is not as loud.
Lastly, for what it's worth, I'm a car guy and a sports guy. Especially ice hockey and the first kind of football.
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Originally posted by midwinter
/ msg I don't like football or baseball, either. Don't tell anyone.
D'oh!
Me neither, and lunch with sports fanatic co-workers is quite dull as a result...
Originally posted by e1618978
Me neither, and lunch with sports fanatic co-workers is quite dull as a result...
Remind me never to have lunch with you and your co-workers...a car guy and sports fans?
Seriously, though. I don't get this love of cars that seems to be all over this thread (pun intended). What it is about them?
It's got to be more than that new car smell.
My car is this 300hp green and orange monster:
You can't really see it in the picture, but when it glistens in the sun, it is the most beautiful thing in any parking lot. Appriciation of beauty is part of it - you are appriciating the art of the automobile. Camera collecting is like this also, I used to love to gaze into the ocean of glass that was my 85mm/1.2 Canon manual lens.
It is also combination of the thrill of a powerful roaring engine that throws you forward, the finesse of the suspension as you fly around a corner, and the connection to the car that you feel when you manually shift gears.
"I'm in love with my car - Queen"
Words and music by Roger Taylor
The machine of a dream
Such a clean machine
With the pistons a pumpin'
And the hub caps all gleam
When I'm holdin' your wheel
All I hear is your gear
When my hand's on your grease gun
Oh it's like a disease son
I'm in love with my car
Gotta feel for my automobile
Get a grip on my boy racer rollbar
Such a thrill when your radials squeal
Told my girl I'll have to forget her
Rather buy me a new carburetor
So she made tracks sayin'
This is the end now
Cars don't talk back
They're just four wheeled friends now
When I'm holdin your wheel
All I hear is your gear
When I'm cruisin' in overdrive
Don't have to listen to no run of the mill talk jive
I'm in love with my car
Gotta feel for my automobile
I'm in love with my car
String back gloves in my automolove
Originally posted by midwinter
I just do not care much about cars.
I had to say that.
Neither do I, but I am interested in technology and design. Guess that's why I like Apple?
Originally posted by e1618978
But the real market for hybrids is performance cars. Electric motors have maximum torque at 0 rpm, which means that you can go from 0-10 in neck snapping, tire ripping speed. Your 0-10 time is a big part of your 0-60 time, so soon the fastest cars will be gas hybrids (maybe a 300hp gas engine to power the rear wheels and a 100 hp electric engine on the front wheels).
Doesn't seem like that kind of hybrid would have an edge over regular gas 4WD's built for performance.
Or do you mean some performance cars will be hybrids when "regular" cars only have an electric motor?
I like cars, and I like performance cars, but I don't understand the fascination for off-the-line speed. I know launching takes skill, but nothing compared to performance driving.
Originally posted by e1618978
"I'm in love with my car - Queen"
Words and music by Roger Taylor
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1) If you want to talk about why straight people become gay and why they go on to want to marry, you'll need to start a new thread.
2) This is the central scrutinizer....
Doesn't seem like that kind of hybrid would have an edge over regular gas 4WD's built for performance.
Or do you mean some performance cars will be hybrids when "regular" cars only have an electric motor?
No, they have a big advantage over regular gas cars. You know the 6000rpm clutch dumps during drag races? You no longer have to do that to get maximum torque.
Nothing, not the Enzo or anything else, will be able to compete 0-60.
Originally posted by e1618978
No, they have a big advantage over regular gas cars. You know the 6000rpm clutch dumps during drag races? You no longer have to do that to get maximum torque.
Nothing, not the Enzo or anything else, will be able to compete 0-60.
So, the hybrid is more convenient.
I still totally fail to see how the hybrid has a higher traction limit than a regular 4WD, because that's what it comes down to once you have enough power to slip all four tires.
Originally posted by Gon
So, the hybrid is more convenient.
I still totally fail to see how the hybrid has a higher traction limit than a regular 4WD, because that's what it comes down to once you have enough power to slip all four tires.
Most cars can't slip all 4 tires, and even if they can, because getting max torque at low speed is hard - I doubt that they are at the edge of traction during their entire acceleration. Because a hybrid would be so much easier to get max torque from, you could concentrate on maximum acceleration much more easily.
Also, the hybrid engine required to get sub 3-second 0-60 times is much smaller than the gas engine with the same performance specs, so you would end up with a lighter, more throwable car.
Not only would they be faster, but going to the races would be much more enjoyable. If any of you have ever been to an Indy or F1 race, you know what I mean. Nascar is not as loud.
Lastly, for what it's worth, I'm a car guy and a sports guy. Especially ice hockey and the first kind of football.