the 12" does seem to get hot though, like right where you rest your palms when you type, and a little on the bottom, mostly when its plugged in though. Vs. the Ti who gets hot on the bottom and by the power button.
TI is a far superior and stiffer metal. The only reason the AI case feals stiffer is because it has a internal magnesium frame. otherwise the thing would flex all over the place. the TI was also resistant to feedback from outside sources. Something which plages laptop users who want to record pro quality sound on location. The TI case was almost like having a lead lined box. Bad for airport but good for working next to recording equipment without getting feedback.
<strong>TI the TI was also resistant to feedback from outside sources. Something which plages laptop users who want to record pro quality sound on location. The TI case was almost like having a lead lined box. Bad for airport but good for working next to recording equipment without getting feedback. </strong><hr></blockquote>
wow... that's a great pro for the Ti. I wonder how the Al would work in this regard.. would you have any idea, JC?
I do not know about the AI case. but when I was talking to Edirol about their UA-20 audio capture card. I explained to them that i wanted pro quality sound recording on location for the animations that i do. He started to tell me all of these problems that laptops have with feedback untill I told him that I was using a TI and then he said "Oh in that case you will have absolutely no problem with feedback at all." he said it was because macs were so well put together that they had few to no problems. But, the TI was the best. I never had a feedback issue with my TI and I will let you know the AI works after i get mine and give it a try. I hope it works as well as i sold my TI to buy the 17. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
The Al feels better to me. I knew I had to have the foot-long when I felt it... <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> :cool:
beware the 12" AI does scratch. Someone at the office took one for a buisness trip and when it came back its all f#&ked up, I am so pissed, to see it all pretty one day and then scrached to hell the next. I'm gonna say something to my boss this person has no respect for anything this isnt the first time, she once scratched an X in ball point pen on the back of a Ti book, so she could tell the difference from the Ti book that we rented. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Given the choice, I would go with aluminum because it's easier for Apple to deal with.</strong><hr></blockquote>
... and cheaper for us.
I thought I remember reading somewhere that the aluminum for the Powerbooks were hydroformed (essentially using water to "stamp" them). Can anyone confirm this?
I would hold off actually for a week or two now that ATI and NVIDIA both just released new mobile vid cards. Maybe the new Ti or Al or whatever it will become will get these?
Makes me bitter considering the POS vid card the 12" has compared to what a ATI 9600 mobile would do...So there's no way to upgrade a Al 12" vid card? I read it was on a daughter card, maybe Sonnet or someone will come through?
"this isnt the first time, she once scratched an X in ball point pen on the back of a Ti book, so she could tell the difference from the Ti book that we rented."
<strong>Someone at the office took one for a buisness trip and when it came back its all f#&ked up, I am so pissed, to see it all pretty one day and then scrached to hell the next. I'm gonna say something to my boss this person has no respect for anything this isnt the first time, she once scratched an X in ball point pen on the back of a Ti book, so she could tell the difference from the Ti book that we rented.
<strong>beware the 12" AI does scratch. Someone at the office took one for a buisness trip and when it came back its all f#&ked up, I am so pissed, to see it all pretty one day and then scrached to hell the next. I'm gonna say something to my boss this person has no respect for anything this isnt the first time, she once scratched an X in ball point pen on the back of a Ti book, so she could tell the difference from the Ti book that we rented. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
<strong>beware the 12" AI does scratch. Someone at the office took one for a buisness trip and when it came back its all f#&ked up, I am so pissed, to see it all pretty one day and then scrached to hell the next. I'm gonna say something to my boss this person has no respect for anything this isnt the first time, she once scratched an X in ball point pen on the back of a Ti book, so she could tell the difference from the Ti book that we rented. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
sorry had to vent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
She must really have abused it then. I drop mine into a padded compartment in my back-pack daily, move it around the house, use it on different counters/desks etc etc, and it hasn't picked up any scratches yet. I watch it, but I certainly don't baby it. Normal use, sliding it in and out of sleeves, keeping it in a backpack conpartment and moving it about, doesn't affect it.
The anodized finish does pick up grime/sweat/prints very quickly though, eating and drinking around the book doesn't help, but a soft slightly damp terry cloth wipes everything away with minimal effort. I've cleaned up the baby book twice in this way and each time it comes off looking brand spanky new.
This chick must be a real beast to be able to scratch up the Al finish so quickly.
hah baby book, thats what we call them at work. There are alot of small scratches all on the bottom kinda like if you were using it on cement and moved it with out picking it up. top has some of the same scratches on the round edges and some reg scratches all around the apple. The sides have all sorts of nicks in it, and then the worst, its got like 3 round deep scrapes on the side, where you see the raw aluminum with a horizontal grain from the scrape. i have the same type of scratches on my aluminum mountain bike, but that from falling on trees and rocks n crap. These arent marks that you have to look for, it just looks f$#ked up <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
I have not read all the posts, so forgive me if some of what I say is redundant.
From a chemistry standpoint, the atomic weight is very different. Aluminum is almost twice as light as Titanium (Al is around 24 or so and Ti around 46 as the Atomic Mass... but don't quote me).
True, Titanium flexes, which makes it more resistant to dents. Aluminum is light and disperses heat better, but dents easier.
The key here is that the new Aluminum PBs have an Aluminum "Alloy" casing. For instance, if the PowerBooks are 6061 Aluminum Alloy you could easily polish the casing with rubbing compound found at your local PepBoys or NAPA auto store.
If this is true, your PB could look like a mirror, dare you try.
I'm sure that the advantages of Al over Ti are more monetary than functional advantages. Sure, Al is lighter, but Ti is more ding resistant.
Personally, either will do. I just want that gorgeous 17" widescreen display!
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<strong>TI the TI was also resistant to feedback from outside sources. Something which plages laptop users who want to record pro quality sound on location. The TI case was almost like having a lead lined box. Bad for airport but good for working next to recording equipment without getting feedback.
wow... that's a great pro for the Ti. I wonder how the Al would work in this regard.. would you have any idea, JC?
<strong>Aluminum has the added bonus of not interfering with AirPort, which is a point in its favor.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Is this a property of the material, or are we referring to the fact that the antennae in the Al machines are located beside the screen?
sorry had to vent.
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Given the choice, I would go with aluminum because it's easier for Apple to deal with.</strong><hr></blockquote>
... and cheaper for us.
I thought I remember reading somewhere that the aluminum for the Powerbooks were hydroformed (essentially using water to "stamp" them). Can anyone confirm this?
Makes me bitter considering the POS vid card the 12" has compared to what a ATI 9600 mobile would do...So there's no way to upgrade a Al 12" vid card? I read it was on a daughter card, maybe Sonnet or someone will come through?
Wow. That's...impressive.
<strong>Someone at the office took one for a buisness trip and when it came back its all f#&ked up, I am so pissed, to see it all pretty one day and then scrached to hell the next. I'm gonna say something to my boss this person has no respect for anything this isnt the first time, she once scratched an X in ball point pen on the back of a Ti book, so she could tell the difference from the Ti book that we rented.
HOW DARE SHE???!!!!!!!!
sorry had to vent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" />
<strong>beware the 12" AI does scratch. Someone at the office took one for a buisness trip and when it came back its all f#&ked up, I am so pissed, to see it all pretty one day and then scrached to hell the next. I'm gonna say something to my boss this person has no respect for anything
sorry had to vent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
whats her name. I think that I may have dated her
Or it could say something about my mental state <img src="embarrassed.gif" border="0">
<strong>beware the 12" AI does scratch. Someone at the office took one for a buisness trip and when it came back its all f#&ked up, I am so pissed, to see it all pretty one day and then scrached to hell the next. I'm gonna say something to my boss this person has no respect for anything
sorry had to vent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
She must really have abused it then. I drop mine into a padded compartment in my back-pack daily, move it around the house, use it on different counters/desks etc etc, and it hasn't picked up any scratches yet. I watch it, but I certainly don't baby it. Normal use, sliding it in and out of sleeves, keeping it in a backpack conpartment and moving it about, doesn't affect it.
The anodized finish does pick up grime/sweat/prints very quickly though, eating and drinking around the book doesn't help, but a soft slightly damp terry cloth wipes everything away with minimal effort. I've cleaned up the baby book twice in this way and each time it comes off looking brand spanky new.
This chick must be a real beast to be able to scratch up the Al finish so quickly.
From a chemistry standpoint, the atomic weight is very different. Aluminum is almost twice as light as Titanium (Al is around 24 or so and Ti around 46 as the Atomic Mass... but don't quote me).
True, Titanium flexes, which makes it more resistant to dents. Aluminum is light and disperses heat better, but dents easier.
The key here is that the new Aluminum PBs have an Aluminum "Alloy" casing. For instance, if the PowerBooks are 6061 Aluminum Alloy you could easily polish the casing with rubbing compound found at your local PepBoys or NAPA auto store.
If this is true, your PB could look like a mirror, dare you try.
I'm sure that the advantages of Al over Ti are more monetary than functional advantages. Sure, Al is lighter, but Ti is more ding resistant.
Personally, either will do. I just want that gorgeous 17" widescreen display!
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