Apple to deploy Mac OS X 10.4.1 for testing

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  • Reply 61 of 113
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by aegisdesign

    And how exactly are you going to pass on a PC virus from a Mac when the PC virus doesn't run on the Mac?



    I suppose you could email the virus yourself manually after downloading it from a PC or Kazaa embedded in another PC application but that would be pretty dumb just emailing on PC applications you've not tried yourself to your friends. And Norton won't stop you from doing that anyway.



    btw plural of virus is viruses




    A virus doesn't have to run on a system to be passed over to someone else.



    Virii are embedded within a file. When that file gets moved, or shared, so does the virus within.



    My company, a commercial film lab, used to get many virii that way. Fortunately, the PC ones didn't affect us as we checked the files on our Macs. We did have a Dell for compatibility purposes, mostly for Powerpoint files.



    OS 9 and earlier was subject to some virus corruptiom. The worst one we got had our hard drive churning every ten seconds or so.



    By the way, the spelling varies virus's,virus' viruses, or the spelling I've used here which seems to be gaining favor among a number of writers; virii.



    I don't care, I've used all of them at one time or another. Spell it anyway you like.
  • Reply 62 of 113
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Technically, it's viruses. Latin root, add -es for plural. Greek root, replace -us with -i, in general. Octopus -> octopi. (Although technically it should be octopodes, according to my Latin/Greek Geek wife.) Dictionary confirms. No virii, just viruses.



    ANYway... anti-virus software on a Mac *so far* is just being civil in mixed OS environments to the less fortunate brethren on the insecure and targeted systems. The poor things.



    Me, I don't own any, don't have any installed, don't want it. Norton is known to cause problems, I don't interact much with PC users anymore, and my server-side mail filter catches them in most cases anyway. Booyah.
  • Reply 63 of 113
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Kickaha

    Technically, it's viruses. Latin root, add -es for plural. Greek root, replace -us with -i, in general. Octopus -> octopi. (Although technically it should be octopodes, according to my Latin/Greek Geek wife.) Dictionary confirms. No virii, just viruses.



    ANYway... anti-virus software on a Mac *so far* is just being civil in mixed OS environments to the less fortunate brethren on the insecure and targeted systems. The poor things.



    Me, I don't own any, don't have any installed, don't want it. Norton is known to cause problems, I don't interact much with PC users anymore, and my server-side mail filter catches them in most cases anyway. Booyah.




    I agree with the roots. I had both Greek and Latin in college way back when. But usage changes, and I've been seeing virii more and more often.



    It's like the word "fun". The first time I heard someone say; "It's so fun.", my hair stood on end. But now, it's everywhere. Whether or not it will hold up in the long term is anyone's guess, but it's here now.
  • Reply 64 of 113
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by wnurse



    Nevertheless, i'm not a version X.0 adopter. I usually let the fanatics be the beta testers and then get version X.1 or maybe even wait for version X.2.

    I think consumers as a whole should always reject version X.0 software. That would force all companies (apple included) to create quality products. This disturbing trend of using customers as beta testers must be reversed.




    These are my sentiments. I have not bought Tiger yet, and am not an X.0 adopter either. I will get Tiger probably around X.1. We all knew there would be bugs in the first version. Why are peolple so surprised? We all knew some 3rd party apps would not work properly. Why are people surprised? We go through this everytime there is an OS update. If you really dislike the way Apple releases its X.0 updates the best way to show that is to not buy it until they fix it.



    You can say for me X.0 means the software is still in beta and isn't ready for my system.
  • Reply 65 of 113
    pbpb Posts: 4,255member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Kickaha

    (Although technically it should be octopodes, according to my Latin/Greek Geek wife.)



    I confirm .
  • Reply 66 of 113
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    It rather disturbs me that I know *two* people that know that.
  • Reply 67 of 113
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Kickaha

    It rather disturbs me that I know *two* people that know that.



    Well, yes, but we KNOW that you are disturbed!
  • Reply 68 of 113
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    No argument there.
  • Reply 69 of 113
    mattyjmattyj Posts: 898member
    Tiger is running perfectly for me, it is more stable than 10.3.9 on my PowerBook, it is faster, spotlight is very fast and convenient, Dashboard widgets work very well. My current uptime with Tiger has been as long as I have actually had the OS.



    The only problems I had was iGetter contextual menu items was on, which made Safari unusable, however switching off the feature (one I never use anyway) solved the problem, and it is much faster than it ever was in Panther. VLC sometimes crashes, it doesn't like switches view modes very much, however I am happier with its performance. Instead of having to wait about 15 seconds for a big avi (over 350MB) to open (as happened in Panther) it opens immediately, which is fantastic.



    If anything, Tiger for me is better than Panther ever was.
  • Reply 70 of 113
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
  • Reply 71 of 113
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    If 10.3.9 works fine coninue to use it.



    Don't upgade to Tiger until these issues are repaired.



    Its that simple.



    But then people like to complain.
  • Reply 72 of 113
    markivmarkiv Posts: 180member
    My Motorola C350 was supported in 10.3.9 and now after updating to Tiger my phone is not even recognized by iSync. I hope Apple fixes this very soon. Anyone has a similar problem.
  • Reply 73 of 113
    rbrrbr Posts: 631member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by melgross

    I agree with the roots. I had both Greek and Latin in college way back when. But usage changes, and I've been seeing virii more and more often.



    It's like the word "fun". The first time I heard someone say; "It's so fun.", my hair stood on end. But now, it's everywhere. Whether or not it will hold up in the long term is anyone's guess, but it's here now.




    Doesn't anybody remember Al Haig? He turned verbs into nouns and vice versa. It was a language unto himself.
  • Reply 74 of 113
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,585member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by RBR

    Doesn't anybody remember Al Haig? He turned verbs into nouns and vice versa. It was a language unto himself.



    Pentagon Speak.
  • Reply 75 of 113
    sunilramansunilraman Posts: 8,133member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by mattyj

    Tiger is running perfectly for me, it is more stable than 10.3.9 on my PowerBook, it is faster, spotlight is very fast and convenient, Dashboard widgets work very well. My current uptime with Tiger has been as long as I have actually had the OS.



    The only problems I had was iGetter contextual menu items was on, which made Safari unusable, however switching off the feature (one I never use anyway) solved the problem, and it is much faster than it ever was in Panther. VLC sometimes crashes, it doesn't like switches view modes very much, however I am happier with its performance. Instead of having to wait about 15 seconds for a big avi (over 350MB) to open (as happened in Panther) it opens immediately, which is fantastic.



    If anything, Tiger for me is better than Panther ever was.




    dude you got the nightly build of VLC? *sorry, forgot where to download that* but just wondering...
  • Reply 76 of 113
    gsxrboygsxrboy Posts: 565member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by sunilraman

    dude you got the nightly build of VLC? *sorry, forgot where to download that* but just wondering...



    Here you go tiger



    http://xserve.via.ecp.fr/~videolan/macosx/?M=D
  • Reply 77 of 113
    Quote:

    Originally posted by aegisdesign

    b) ClamAV is updated quicker than Norton and is free and doesn't rely on terrible kernel extensions to wedge it's way in to your system.





    ClamAV doesn't rely on kernel extensions because it doesn't perform on-access scanning on OS X. You must manually scan files as they are accessed, such as when they are download from the Internet. Norton AntiVirus scans files for viruses as soon as they are created, so when you copy them from a file server or download them. In order to perform on-access scanning, you must have a kernel extension, which is why all the antivirus programs on OS X have kernel extensions.



    ClamAV also has many other deficiences, such as no support for scanning inside of StuffIt files and many other compressed archive formats.
  • Reply 78 of 113
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Not in 10.4. kqueue can be used to inform a daemon when new files are created, saved, or accessed. No more kernel extensions needed.
  • Reply 79 of 113
    sunilramansunilraman Posts: 8,133member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by gsxrboy

    Here you go tiger



    http://xserve.via.ecp.fr/~videolan/macosx/?M=D




    thanks buddy.. now i just need to get Tiger



    mattyj -- try the above link gsxrboy provided, it may give you better VLC performance on Tiger
  • Reply 80 of 113
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Kickaha

    Not in 10.4. kqueue can be used to inform a daemon when new files are created, saved, or accessed. No more kernel extensions needed.



    kqueues must be attached to a specific vnode. kevent takes a file descriptor, which means you must open() the folder/file you want to "watch". Unless you are going to create a kqueue for every single file and folder on every attached volume, kqueues are not useful for AV vendors. Right now I would need 1.2 million kqueues according to the Finder's Get Info.



    See for yourself. Use Apple's own FileNotification sample code. Modify it to watch for changes to "/" and then create a file in ~. You won't see a kqueue event.
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