And how exactly are you going to pass on a PC virus from a Mac when the PC virus doesn't run on the Mac?
I suppose you could email the virus yourself manually after downloading it from a PC or Kazaa embedded in another PC application but that would be pretty dumb just emailing on PC applications you've not tried yourself to your friends. And Norton won't stop you from doing that anyway.
btw plural of virus is viruses
A virus doesn't have to run on a system to be passed over to someone else.
Virii are embedded within a file. When that file gets moved, or shared, so does the virus within.
My company, a commercial film lab, used to get many virii that way. Fortunately, the PC ones didn't affect us as we checked the files on our Macs. We did have a Dell for compatibility purposes, mostly for Powerpoint files.
OS 9 and earlier was subject to some virus corruptiom. The worst one we got had our hard drive churning every ten seconds or so.
By the way, the spelling varies virus's,virus' viruses, or the spelling I've used here which seems to be gaining favor among a number of writers; virii.
I don't care, I've used all of them at one time or another. Spell it anyway you like.
Technically, it's viruses. Latin root, add -es for plural. Greek root, replace -us with -i, in general. Octopus -> octopi. (Although technically it should be octopodes, according to my Latin/Greek Geek wife.) Dictionary confirms. No virii, just viruses.
ANYway... anti-virus software on a Mac *so far* is just being civil in mixed OS environments to the less fortunate brethren on the insecure and targeted systems. The poor things.
Me, I don't own any, don't have any installed, don't want it. Norton is known to cause problems, I don't interact much with PC users anymore, and my server-side mail filter catches them in most cases anyway. Booyah.
Technically, it's viruses. Latin root, add -es for plural. Greek root, replace -us with -i, in general. Octopus -> octopi. (Although technically it should be octopodes, according to my Latin/Greek Geek wife.) Dictionary confirms. No virii, just viruses.
ANYway... anti-virus software on a Mac *so far* is just being civil in mixed OS environments to the less fortunate brethren on the insecure and targeted systems. The poor things.
Me, I don't own any, don't have any installed, don't want it. Norton is known to cause problems, I don't interact much with PC users anymore, and my server-side mail filter catches them in most cases anyway. Booyah.
I agree with the roots. I had both Greek and Latin in college way back when. But usage changes, and I've been seeing virii more and more often.
It's like the word "fun". The first time I heard someone say; "It's so fun.", my hair stood on end. But now, it's everywhere. Whether or not it will hold up in the long term is anyone's guess, but it's here now.
Nevertheless, i'm not a version X.0 adopter. I usually let the fanatics be the beta testers and then get version X.1 or maybe even wait for version X.2.
I think consumers as a whole should always reject version X.0 software. That would force all companies (apple included) to create quality products. This disturbing trend of using customers as beta testers must be reversed.
These are my sentiments. I have not bought Tiger yet, and am not an X.0 adopter either. I will get Tiger probably around X.1. We all knew there would be bugs in the first version. Why are peolple so surprised? We all knew some 3rd party apps would not work properly. Why are people surprised? We go through this everytime there is an OS update. If you really dislike the way Apple releases its X.0 updates the best way to show that is to not buy it until they fix it.
You can say for me X.0 means the software is still in beta and isn't ready for my system.
Tiger is running perfectly for me, it is more stable than 10.3.9 on my PowerBook, it is faster, spotlight is very fast and convenient, Dashboard widgets work very well. My current uptime with Tiger has been as long as I have actually had the OS.
The only problems I had was iGetter contextual menu items was on, which made Safari unusable, however switching off the feature (one I never use anyway) solved the problem, and it is much faster than it ever was in Panther. VLC sometimes crashes, it doesn't like switches view modes very much, however I am happier with its performance. Instead of having to wait about 15 seconds for a big avi (over 350MB) to open (as happened in Panther) it opens immediately, which is fantastic.
If anything, Tiger for me is better than Panther ever was.
My Motorola C350 was supported in 10.3.9 and now after updating to Tiger my phone is not even recognized by iSync. I hope Apple fixes this very soon. Anyone has a similar problem.
I agree with the roots. I had both Greek and Latin in college way back when. But usage changes, and I've been seeing virii more and more often.
It's like the word "fun". The first time I heard someone say; "It's so fun.", my hair stood on end. But now, it's everywhere. Whether or not it will hold up in the long term is anyone's guess, but it's here now.
Doesn't anybody remember Al Haig? He turned verbs into nouns and vice versa. It was a language unto himself.
Tiger is running perfectly for me, it is more stable than 10.3.9 on my PowerBook, it is faster, spotlight is very fast and convenient, Dashboard widgets work very well. My current uptime with Tiger has been as long as I have actually had the OS.
The only problems I had was iGetter contextual menu items was on, which made Safari unusable, however switching off the feature (one I never use anyway) solved the problem, and it is much faster than it ever was in Panther. VLC sometimes crashes, it doesn't like switches view modes very much, however I am happier with its performance. Instead of having to wait about 15 seconds for a big avi (over 350MB) to open (as happened in Panther) it opens immediately, which is fantastic.
If anything, Tiger for me is better than Panther ever was.
dude you got the nightly build of VLC? *sorry, forgot where to download that* but just wondering...
b) ClamAV is updated quicker than Norton and is free and doesn't rely on terrible kernel extensions to wedge it's way in to your system.
ClamAV doesn't rely on kernel extensions because it doesn't perform on-access scanning on OS X. You must manually scan files as they are accessed, such as when they are download from the Internet. Norton AntiVirus scans files for viruses as soon as they are created, so when you copy them from a file server or download them. In order to perform on-access scanning, you must have a kernel extension, which is why all the antivirus programs on OS X have kernel extensions.
ClamAV also has many other deficiences, such as no support for scanning inside of StuffIt files and many other compressed archive formats.
Not in 10.4. kqueue can be used to inform a daemon when new files are created, saved, or accessed. No more kernel extensions needed.
kqueues must be attached to a specific vnode. kevent takes a file descriptor, which means you must open() the folder/file you want to "watch". Unless you are going to create a kqueue for every single file and folder on every attached volume, kqueues are not useful for AV vendors. Right now I would need 1.2 million kqueues according to the Finder's Get Info.
See for yourself. Use Apple's own FileNotification sample code. Modify it to watch for changes to "/" and then create a file in ~. You won't see a kqueue event.
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
And how exactly are you going to pass on a PC virus from a Mac when the PC virus doesn't run on the Mac?
I suppose you could email the virus yourself manually after downloading it from a PC or Kazaa embedded in another PC application but that would be pretty dumb just emailing on PC applications you've not tried yourself to your friends. And Norton won't stop you from doing that anyway.
btw plural of virus is viruses
A virus doesn't have to run on a system to be passed over to someone else.
Virii
My company, a commercial film lab, used to get many virii that way. Fortunately, the PC ones didn't affect us as we checked the files on our Macs. We did have a Dell for compatibility purposes, mostly for Powerpoint files.
OS 9 and earlier was subject to some virus corruptiom. The worst one we got had our hard drive churning every ten seconds or so.
By the way, the spelling varies virus's,virus' viruses, or the spelling I've used here which seems to be gaining favor among a number of writers; virii.
I don't care, I've used all of them at one time or another. Spell it anyway you like.
ANYway... anti-virus software on a Mac *so far* is just being civil in mixed OS environments to the less fortunate brethren on the insecure and targeted systems. The poor things.
Me, I don't own any, don't have any installed, don't want it. Norton is known to cause problems, I don't interact much with PC users anymore, and my server-side mail filter catches them in most cases anyway. Booyah.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Technically, it's viruses. Latin root, add -es for plural. Greek root, replace -us with -i, in general. Octopus -> octopi. (Although technically it should be octopodes, according to my Latin/Greek Geek wife.) Dictionary confirms. No virii, just viruses.
ANYway... anti-virus software on a Mac *so far* is just being civil in mixed OS environments to the less fortunate brethren on the insecure and targeted systems. The poor things.
Me, I don't own any, don't have any installed, don't want it. Norton is known to cause problems, I don't interact much with PC users anymore, and my server-side mail filter catches them in most cases anyway. Booyah.
I agree with the roots. I had both Greek and Latin in college way back when. But usage changes, and I've been seeing virii more and more often.
It's like the word "fun". The first time I heard someone say; "It's so fun.", my hair stood on end. But now, it's everywhere. Whether or not it will hold up in the long term is anyone's guess, but it's here now.
Originally posted by wnurse
Nevertheless, i'm not a version X.0 adopter. I usually let the fanatics be the beta testers and then get version X.1 or maybe even wait for version X.2.
I think consumers as a whole should always reject version X.0 software. That would force all companies (apple included) to create quality products. This disturbing trend of using customers as beta testers must be reversed.
These are my sentiments. I have not bought Tiger yet, and am not an X.0 adopter either. I will get Tiger probably around X.1. We all knew there would be bugs in the first version. Why are peolple so surprised? We all knew some 3rd party apps would not work properly. Why are people surprised? We go through this everytime there is an OS update. If you really dislike the way Apple releases its X.0 updates the best way to show that is to not buy it until they fix it.
You can say for me X.0 means the software is still in beta and isn't ready for my system.
Originally posted by Kickaha
(Although technically it should be octopodes, according to my Latin/Greek Geek wife.)
I confirm
Originally posted by Kickaha
It rather disturbs me that I know *two* people that know that.
Well, yes, but we KNOW that you are disturbed!
The only problems I had was iGetter contextual menu items was on, which made Safari unusable, however switching off the feature (one I never use anyway) solved the problem, and it is much faster than it ever was in Panther. VLC sometimes crashes, it doesn't like switches view modes very much, however I am happier with its performance. Instead of having to wait about 15 seconds for a big avi (over 350MB) to open (as happened in Panther) it opens immediately, which is fantastic.
If anything, Tiger for me is better than Panther ever was.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1806371,00.asp
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1813600,00.asp
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1813445,00.asp
Don't upgade to Tiger until these issues are repaired.
Its that simple.
But then people like to complain.
Originally posted by melgross
I agree with the roots. I had both Greek and Latin in college way back when. But usage changes, and I've been seeing virii more and more often.
It's like the word "fun". The first time I heard someone say; "It's so fun.", my hair stood on end. But now, it's everywhere. Whether or not it will hold up in the long term is anyone's guess, but it's here now.
Doesn't anybody remember Al Haig? He turned verbs into nouns and vice versa. It was a language unto himself.
Originally posted by RBR
Doesn't anybody remember Al Haig? He turned verbs into nouns and vice versa. It was a language unto himself.
Pentagon Speak.
Originally posted by mattyj
Tiger is running perfectly for me, it is more stable than 10.3.9 on my PowerBook, it is faster, spotlight is very fast and convenient, Dashboard widgets work very well. My current uptime with Tiger has been as long as I have actually had the OS.
The only problems I had was iGetter contextual menu items was on, which made Safari unusable, however switching off the feature (one I never use anyway) solved the problem, and it is much faster than it ever was in Panther. VLC sometimes crashes, it doesn't like switches view modes very much, however I am happier with its performance. Instead of having to wait about 15 seconds for a big avi (over 350MB) to open (as happened in Panther) it opens immediately, which is fantastic.
If anything, Tiger for me is better than Panther ever was.
dude you got the nightly build of VLC? *sorry, forgot where to download that* but just wondering...
Originally posted by sunilraman
dude you got the nightly build of VLC? *sorry, forgot where to download that* but just wondering...
Here you go tiger
http://xserve.via.ecp.fr/~videolan/macosx/?M=D
Originally posted by aegisdesign
b) ClamAV is updated quicker than Norton and is free and doesn't rely on terrible kernel extensions to wedge it's way in to your system.
ClamAV doesn't rely on kernel extensions because it doesn't perform on-access scanning on OS X. You must manually scan files as they are accessed, such as when they are download from the Internet. Norton AntiVirus scans files for viruses as soon as they are created, so when you copy them from a file server or download them. In order to perform on-access scanning, you must have a kernel extension, which is why all the antivirus programs on OS X have kernel extensions.
ClamAV also has many other deficiences, such as no support for scanning inside of StuffIt files and many other compressed archive formats.
Originally posted by gsxrboy
Here you go tiger
http://xserve.via.ecp.fr/~videolan/macosx/?M=D
thanks buddy.. now i just need to get Tiger
mattyj -- try the above link gsxrboy provided, it may give you better VLC performance on Tiger
Originally posted by Kickaha
Not in 10.4. kqueue can be used to inform a daemon when new files are created, saved, or accessed. No more kernel extensions needed.
kqueues must be attached to a specific vnode. kevent takes a file descriptor, which means you must open() the folder/file you want to "watch". Unless you are going to create a kqueue for every single file and folder on every attached volume, kqueues are not useful for AV vendors. Right now I would need 1.2 million kqueues according to the Finder's Get Info.
See for yourself. Use Apple's own FileNotification sample code. Modify it to watch for changes to "/" and then create a file in ~. You won't see a kqueue event.