The DV Expo is next Tuesday (Dec. 4th), and after the burst of info on the OS X-version two weeks ago, everything has gone mum. Anyone know of anything further...were mere days away from the expo....
For those of you who like the FCP UI, apparently you haven't used Avid Xpress. It kicks FCP's arse as far as functionality goes.
Oh well. That's what you get for letting computer people design a video editing program. FCP's UI is still MUCH better than iMovie. Good golly it's horrible and totally counterintuitive!
<strong>For those of you who like the FCP UI, apparently you haven't used Avid Xpress. It kicks FCP's arse as far as functionality goes.
Oh well. That's what you get for letting computer people design a video editing program. FCP's UI is still MUCH better than iMovie. Good golly it's horrible and totally counterintuitive!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I find Avids GUI not nerly as good as FCP's. And FCP is WAY easyer to use than avid. Avid is a bitch.
<strong>For those of you who like the FCP UI, apparently you haven't used Avid Xpress. It kicks FCP's arse as far as functionality goes.
Oh well. That's what you get for letting computer people design a video editing program. FCP's UI is still MUCH better than iMovie. Good golly it's horrible and totally counterintuitive!</strong><hr></blockquote>
funny. video pros across the world seem to think otherwise
The Avid Mediacomposer is at version 10.5 right now, and the app is identical to Avid Xpress (features are dependent on the dongle)
Xpress DV is only at version 2, but still gets most its interface features from the over 10 years of R&D.
Being a daily Avid mediacomposer and Fcp user, my observations are like this:
Avid: the best Editing features from viever into timeline, and editing in timeline with in/out points. Also the trim features, and slip / slide with keyboard shortcuts rules. Keyboard interface (which is fully configurable) is an editors dream, with the possibillity of adding a menu item to a botton or creating a macro.
FCP: moving segments in the timeline is much more elegant and powerfull than avids, FX interface is better (Not taking the Avid symphony into consiterration) and speed/motion fx metaphor is much much bettter. Also overall mouse based operations are more powerfull.
This is comparing the full avid mediacomposer app to fcp, as I hvent tried Xpress Dv.
Also speaking of platforms, the avid is on a 800 mhz pentium III Xeon IBM with RDram, FCP is on my DP 450
Who give a shit about the Avid software...I'm interested in the OS X version of Final Cut Pro for Christ's sake! After all, that's the title of this friggin' thread. If you want to talk about Avid vs. Final Cut Pro create a thread about it, but please don't tangent the subject and get into pissing contests over which is better.
the FCP UI is so pretty becuase the window bars are thin so they dont take up too much space. I am very interested to see how Apple changes the UI, if they do! :eek: <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
i just talked to a guy from fox yesterday and when i told him that i use fcp he started to chuckle. he explains to a degree how his 30,000 dollar camera works then invites me to use one of his editing systems that he uses for work. this may just be cuz he is from an older generation but he didn't even like avid and im talking about the full blow 70 grand version. just thought i'd relay from a real pro.
I'm just being honest, but that didn't make sense to me. What does the camera have anything to do with it? What DOES he edit on if he doesn't like Avid?
<strong>i just talked to a guy from fox yesterday and when i told him that i use fcp he started to chuckle. he explains to a degree how his 30,000 dollar camera works then invites me to use one of his editing systems that he uses for work. this may just be cuz he is from an older generation but he didn't even like avid and im talking about the full blow 70 grand version. just thought i'd relay from a real pro.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds like a blowhard to me. It's all about the right tool for the job. The networks don't have unlimited number of half-million to multi-million dollar edit bays.
Sure, FCP isn't going to push out the top-end custom editing suites, but that's not what it's built to do. Anyone who thought it would is delusional. It does what it's built to do extremely well -- provide a stable editing platform that can handle a wide range of media formats and run on a mass-market computer and operating system. Compare FCP and a Titanium G4 laptop to the Panasonic AJ-LT95 laptop editing system costing $42,000.
When you say "real pro," just bear in mind that you're actually talking about the small number of people who work in national broadcast television. Saying that everyone else is not a "real pro" is like saying that your doctor is not a "real doctor" because he or she doesn't do heart surgery at a major hospital in New York or Boston.
When you say "real pro," just bear in mind that you're actually talking about the small number of people who work in national broadcast television. Saying that everyone else is not a "real pro" is like saying that your doctor is not a "real doctor" because he or she doesn't do heart surgery at a major hospital in New York or Boston.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But there are many "real pros" that work on Avids, Media 100, etc. at the local level. I'd imagine a majority of "local" TV stations run them. I consider those people just as "real pro" as the network level.
To keep this thread on topic, however, I'd like to see what Apple does with FCP for OS X. I'd imagine they may add some new features but keep the interface fairly similar.
It'd be nice if they could shrink down the manual, though. Over 1400 pages is a bit excessive if you ask me.
But there are many "real pros" that work on Avids, Media 100, etc. at the local level. I'd imagine a majority of "local" TV stations run them. I consider those people just as "real pro" as the network level.
(snip)
It'd be nice if they could shrink down the manual, though. Over 1400 pages is a bit excessive if you ask me. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree entirely. My point was in response to myahmac who had implied that only people shooting and editing in a national broadcast environment were "real pros." My point about the doctors was that just because someone isn't working in the most public and "sexy" segment of a field doesn't make them any less professional. Clearly there are lots of people doing exciting, creative and polished work at the network affiliate and small cable network level.
With respect to new features, etc. for FCP 3, I'm just as eager to hear as the next person. In particular, now that iDVD 2 has come out for OS X, it's a pain to have to flip back and forth between operating systems for editing and DVD authoring.
I also agree about the manual. Every review treats it glowingly, but I suspect most of the reviewers haven't actually tried to read it front to back (which I did and gave up on after about 1/3 of the way through).
TOMMOROW, AT 2-3 PST, CAPT. SCHILLER WILL ANNOUNCE, AS QUOTED BY DVEXPO.COM: [quote] the growing number of professional video solutions available on Mac OS X.<hr></blockquote>
PLEASE, APPLE WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO ANNOUNCE FINAL CUT PRO FOR MAC OS X,
THIS IS WHERE APPLE ****S WINDOWS STRAIT IN THE ARSE
I PREDICT, NO, I FORESHADOW AS IF I KNOW THE ENDING OF THIS VOLUME, THAT IN TWO YEARS TIME..... APPLE WILL RISE AGAIN AND DESTROY ALL YOUR FEEBLE OSes
you think? i dont...'cuase there are a smaller group of people who use DVD STudio pro
The groups of people are like this::::
iMoves<iDVD<Final Cut Pro<DVD STUDIO PRO
FCP and iDVD could be flipped, but just saying, those who are using DVD STudio are in no rush if their systems are running fine without X...Apple has no real reason to do it before March...when they MUST...must have all their apps done
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The DV Expo is next Tuesday (Dec. 4th), and after the burst of info on the OS X-version two weeks ago, everything has gone mum. Anyone know of anything further...were mere days away from the expo....
Oh well. That's what you get for letting computer people design a video editing program. FCP's UI is still MUCH better than iMovie. Good golly it's horrible and totally counterintuitive!
<strong>For those of you who like the FCP UI, apparently you haven't used Avid Xpress. It kicks FCP's arse as far as functionality goes.
Oh well. That's what you get for letting computer people design a video editing program. FCP's UI is still MUCH better than iMovie. Good golly it's horrible and totally counterintuitive!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I find Avids GUI not nerly as good as FCP's. And FCP is WAY easyer to use than avid. Avid is a bitch.
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Let's have some pictures of Avid then.
I've never used it before.
<strong>For those of you who like the FCP UI, apparently you haven't used Avid Xpress. It kicks FCP's arse as far as functionality goes.
Oh well. That's what you get for letting computer people design a video editing program. FCP's UI is still MUCH better than iMovie. Good golly it's horrible and totally counterintuitive!</strong><hr></blockquote>
funny. video pros across the world seem to think otherwise
The Avid Mediacomposer is at version 10.5 right now, and the app is identical to Avid Xpress (features are dependent on the dongle)
Xpress DV is only at version 2, but still gets most its interface features from the over 10 years of R&D.
Being a daily Avid mediacomposer and Fcp user, my observations are like this:
Avid: the best Editing features from viever into timeline, and editing in timeline with in/out points. Also the trim features, and slip / slide with keyboard shortcuts rules. Keyboard interface (which is fully configurable) is an editors dream, with the possibillity of adding a menu item to a botton or creating a macro.
FCP: moving segments in the timeline is much more elegant and powerfull than avids, FX interface is better (Not taking the Avid symphony into consiterration) and speed/motion fx metaphor is much much bettter. Also overall mouse based operations are more powerfull.
This is comparing the full avid mediacomposer app to fcp, as I hvent tried Xpress Dv.
Also speaking of platforms, the avid is on a 800 mhz pentium III Xeon IBM with RDram, FCP is on my DP 450
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Who give a shit about the Avid software...I'm interested in the OS X version of Final Cut Pro for Christ's sake! After all, that's the title of this friggin' thread. If you want to talk about Avid vs. Final Cut Pro create a thread about it, but please don't tangent the subject and get into pissing contests over which is better.
I want my OS X Version of Final Cut Pro dammit!
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funny. video pros across the world seem to think otherwise</strong><hr></blockquote>
From what I understand, video pros (in Broadcast and Cable television at least) use Avid or Media 100.
Just now is FCP becoming more popular because it's a fairly viable program and it costs a LOT less than the others.
FCP on G4 867Mhz: $5,000 give or take
Avid Xpress on whatever: $15,000 and up
Getting into a pissing contest: Priceless
<strong>i just talked to a guy from fox yesterday and when i told him that i use fcp he started to chuckle. he explains to a degree how his 30,000 dollar camera works then invites me to use one of his editing systems that he uses for work. this may just be cuz he is from an older generation but he didn't even like avid and im talking about the full blow 70 grand version. just thought i'd relay from a real pro.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sounds like a blowhard to me. It's all about the right tool for the job. The networks don't have unlimited number of half-million to multi-million dollar edit bays.
Sure, FCP isn't going to push out the top-end custom editing suites, but that's not what it's built to do. Anyone who thought it would is delusional. It does what it's built to do extremely well -- provide a stable editing platform that can handle a wide range of media formats and run on a mass-market computer and operating system. Compare FCP and a Titanium G4 laptop to the Panasonic AJ-LT95 laptop editing system costing $42,000.
When you say "real pro," just bear in mind that you're actually talking about the small number of people who work in national broadcast television. Saying that everyone else is not a "real pro" is like saying that your doctor is not a "real doctor" because he or she doesn't do heart surgery at a major hospital in New York or Boston.
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When you say "real pro," just bear in mind that you're actually talking about the small number of people who work in national broadcast television. Saying that everyone else is not a "real pro" is like saying that your doctor is not a "real doctor" because he or she doesn't do heart surgery at a major hospital in New York or Boston.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But there are many "real pros" that work on Avids, Media 100, etc. at the local level. I'd imagine a majority of "local" TV stations run them. I consider those people just as "real pro" as the network level.
To keep this thread on topic, however, I'd like to see what Apple does with FCP for OS X. I'd imagine they may add some new features but keep the interface fairly similar.
It'd be nice if they could shrink down the manual, though. Over 1400 pages is a bit excessive if you ask me.
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But there are many "real pros" that work on Avids, Media 100, etc. at the local level. I'd imagine a majority of "local" TV stations run them. I consider those people just as "real pro" as the network level.
(snip)
It'd be nice if they could shrink down the manual, though. Over 1400 pages is a bit excessive if you ask me.
I agree entirely. My point was in response to myahmac who had implied that only people shooting and editing in a national broadcast environment were "real pros." My point about the doctors was that just because someone isn't working in the most public and "sexy" segment of a field doesn't make them any less professional. Clearly there are lots of people doing exciting, creative and polished work at the network affiliate and small cable network level.
With respect to new features, etc. for FCP 3, I'm just as eager to hear as the next person. In particular, now that iDVD 2 has come out for OS X, it's a pain to have to flip back and forth between operating systems for editing and DVD authoring.
I also agree about the manual. Every review treats it glowingly, but I suspect most of the reviewers haven't actually tried to read it front to back (which I did and gave up on after about 1/3 of the way through).
TOMMOROW, AT 2-3 PST, CAPT. SCHILLER WILL ANNOUNCE, AS QUOTED BY DVEXPO.COM: [quote] the growing number of professional video solutions available on Mac OS X.<hr></blockquote>
PLEASE, APPLE WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO ANNOUNCE FINAL CUT PRO FOR MAC OS X,
THIS IS WHERE APPLE ****S WINDOWS STRAIT IN THE ARSE
I PREDICT, NO, I FORESHADOW AS IF I KNOW THE ENDING OF THIS VOLUME, THAT IN TWO YEARS TIME..... APPLE WILL RISE AGAIN AND DESTROY ALL YOUR FEEBLE OSes
AND THEY SAID:
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US :cool:
word :cool:
I don't have insider info on this but it actually is common sense. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
The groups of people are like this::::
iMoves<iDVD<Final Cut Pro<DVD STUDIO PRO
FCP and iDVD could be flipped, but just saying, those who are using DVD STudio are in no rush if their systems are running fine without X...Apple has no real reason to do it before March...when they MUST...must have all their apps done
even eric's solitare sampler
We will see;
FinalCutPro 3.0 for OS9 & OS X
: RealTime effect for DV
: Great Title generator
: Professinal Color correction
And Many Many more function
with New User interface
DVD Studio Pro 2.0 for OS9 & OS X
QuickTime 5.5 for OS9 & OS X
:support MPEG-4 & possibly MPEG-2 ( IF License deal has been agreed. )
We will see.