great, two external powerbricks on your desk. that's progress.
a G5 cube is an alternative to the G5tower.
Well I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how you're aware of the fact that the as of yet fictitious G5 "Cube" is going to have an external power brick? Any inside info you can share is welcome.
Well I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how you're aware of the fact that the as of yet fictitious G5 "Cube" is going to have an external power brick? Any inside info you can share is welcome.
sorry, your probally right.
when i read G5cube that has to be a G5mini,
i looked at the current Mac mini and that one has an external powerbrick.
i looked at the previous G4cube that has a piece of concrete on a string.
To assess whether a 23" is likely one would need to know the proportion of 20" iMacs against the 17" version. Does anyone know what share of sales the 20" is?
I would bet the 20 outsells the two 17s. The people I know who have bought iMacs have ALL gone for the 20. That's just anecdotal evidence, but I do recall that in the first line of G4 iMacs, the most expensive SuperDrive model outsold the CD-RW and combo models combined.
I used to think that a 23-inch iMac was extremely unlikely, but I have to say: having gotten used to using larger displays at work, the 20-inch iMacs seem rather tight. I honestly think it would be too small for me, even though it's a few pixels larger than my current 22-inch home display (the largest display my Cube will handle). But we have one of the new metal 23-inch displays in the office, and I keep looking at it and thinking it would make an awfully nice iMac, if they could spread the internals horizontally and keep the thin bezel all the way around... I would buy one immediately.
it seems a little hard to understand for people that apple doesn't care about the upgradability of their products, except for memory. they don't want you to buy a 20" screen and sit on it for the next 10 years or a tower that you use for 7 years because it was f8cking expensive.
they want to sell you a system every 3 years.
Too bad they are not the ones making the decision. I, the customer, have all the power.
I already have a great display - that's a fact. What Apple can do is to acknowledge the fact and play along with it, they can't wish it away.
Obviously I'm not paying for a new display now. Neither will I buy a new Apple as long as the only "reasonable" upgrade is a 2000? dual Powermac. I find it just stupid that they don't have a reasonable 1000? desktop in the lineup.
But we have one of the new metal 23-inch displays in the office, and I keep looking at it and thinking it would make an awfully nice iMac, if they could spread the internals horizontally and keep the thin bezel all the way around... I would buy one immediately.
But would you still buy the 23" iMac, if they had a new cube at $1000?
great, two external powerbricks on your desk. that's progress.
a G5 cube is an alternative to the G5tower.
Honestly, what the big deal about a power birick? You can keep them on the floor out of the way. They are air cooled and reduce the footprint on the desktop. Keep them next to the APC-UPS. Sounds like progress to me.
Honestly, what the big deal about a power birick? You can keep them on the floor out of the way. They are air cooled and reduce the footprint on the desktop. Keep them next to the APC-UPS. Sounds like progress to me.
It's a big deal if they can leave a fan out or make the existing ones quieter by using a power brick.
Otherwise I don't like extra bricks. The floor under my desk is absolutely swamped with cables and adapters and extensions as is. Better to have everything in the device and a neat, plain powercord.
I would bet the 20 outsells the two 17s. The people I know who have bought iMacs have ALL gone for the 20. That's just anecdotal evidence, but I do recall that in the first line of G4 iMacs, the most expensive SuperDrive model outsold the CD-RW and combo models combined.
I used to think that a 23-inch iMac was extremely unlikely, but I have to say: having gotten used to using larger displays at work, the 20-inch iMacs seem rather tight. I honestly think it would be too small for me, even though it's a few pixels larger than my current 22-inch home display (the largest display my Cube will handle). But we have one of the new metal 23-inch displays in the office, and I keep looking at it and thinking it would make an awfully nice iMac, if they could spread the internals horizontally and keep the thin bezel all the way around... I would buy one immediately.
I would agree that the 20" outsold the smaller 17s. The 23" might not be for everyone but I'd buy one and there would be many more I venture. Different strokes for different folks. I think it would be a winner and it doesn't have to priced at $1,200 as DHagan4755 suggests. That's just plain nonsense. I would pay the $2,199 which he thinks is stupid. I keep a computer at least 5 years. I'm currently using a G3 iMac Rev B which is almost 6 years old. Amortize $2,199 over 5 years and it's a little over $400/yr. I can afford that and so can a lot of people. Are you listening, Steve?
Apple goes for added value, if the 20" is the best seller, there is no reason not to bring out a 23" at an even higher price. The main problem is that it would encroach on the territory of the PowerMac, but I doubt Apple would care if the profit was the same, in fact I suspect Apple would r=prefer it because the of the built in obsolescence.
But would you still buy the 23" iMac, if they had a new cube at $1000?
Oh, if the Cube was a G5, absolutely not! I would happily replace my old Cube with a G5 Cube, even at $1,500, and keep my 22-inch display. But I think Apple sees the mini as the new Cube, and the G5 towers are just too absurdly large for me.
i looked at the current Mac mini and that one has an external powerbrick.
i looked at the previous G4cube that has a piece of concrete on a string.
so i figured
Fuck the mini, fuck the cube, fuck all these dainty Sharper Image clones.
Here's what I want: a high end "Pro" tower, and a low end "Consumer" tower. Simple, clean, and meets everyone's needs.
For the Pro Tower, start with the current Powermac but include 4 HD bays and 5 PCI-X slots. Add a second optical drive, or at least a space to put one. Finally, put some freakin' Firewire and USB2 ports on the front of the damn tower! Pros like to do crazy shit like plug and unplug their HD video cameras, and so there should be a full compliment of ports on both the front and rear - even if Ives whines about it! Show some effort to make the "Pro" tower look like something a professional would use. Make it bad-ass.
Consumer Tower: Ok forget about the cutesy palm of your hand bullshit, this should be a real tower for real computer geeks - that means two HD bays, 1 PCI-X slot, a full-sized video card in an agp slot, or whatever format pleases Apple, an optical drive, and an internal power supply. Again, lets see some FW/USB2 ports on both the front and back, for temporary connections or permanent connections. This tower should be small and compact by tower standards. I'm thinking the height of the Cube with the depth of the current Powermac case, but Apple shouldn't blow a wad of money on designing and fabbing some prissy Sharper Image wannabe. It's a tower, it's supposed to be large, that's the whole freakin' point!
Now how about differentiation? Besides the differences described above, here's a shot at some more (All towers are powered by PPC 970/980)
Pro Tower:
All twin dual-core, or at the very least dual CPU.
Support for up to 16 GB RAM.
1 MB L2 cache per CPU core.
Price: >$2000. These are pro systems, so give 'em pro prices.
Consumer Tower:
All single CPU. Dual core ONLY if the Pro Towers are all twin-dual core.
Support for up to 4 GB RAM (8 GB if dual core).
1 MB L2 cache per CPU core.
Price: $1000 - $2000.
If the consumer and pro towers are differentiated by the number of CPUs/cores, then there is no need to neuter the clockspeed of the consumer towers.
Keep the Mini for the sub-$1000 market, but it should have a G5 as well. The more G5s Apple sells, the cheaper they get and the more seriously IBM takes the Apple market.
Comments
Originally posted by gar
great, two external powerbricks on your desk. that's progress.
a G5 cube is an alternative to the G5tower.
Well I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how you're aware of the fact that the as of yet fictitious G5 "Cube" is going to have an external power brick? Any inside info you can share is welcome.
Originally posted by rageous
Well I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how you're aware of the fact that the as of yet fictitious G5 "Cube" is going to have an external power brick? Any inside info you can share is welcome.
sorry, your probally right.
when i read G5cube that has to be a G5mini,
i looked at the current Mac mini and that one has an external powerbrick.
i looked at the previous G4cube that has a piece of concrete on a string.
so i figured
Originally posted by Addison
To assess whether a 23" is likely one would need to know the proportion of 20" iMacs against the 17" version. Does anyone know what share of sales the 20" is?
I would bet the 20 outsells the two 17s. The people I know who have bought iMacs have ALL gone for the 20. That's just anecdotal evidence, but I do recall that in the first line of G4 iMacs, the most expensive SuperDrive model outsold the CD-RW and combo models combined.
I used to think that a 23-inch iMac was extremely unlikely, but I have to say: having gotten used to using larger displays at work, the 20-inch iMacs seem rather tight. I honestly think it would be too small for me, even though it's a few pixels larger than my current 22-inch home display (the largest display my Cube will handle). But we have one of the new metal 23-inch displays in the office, and I keep looking at it and thinking it would make an awfully nice iMac, if they could spread the internals horizontally and keep the thin bezel all the way around... I would buy one immediately.
Originally posted by gar
it seems a little hard to understand for people that apple doesn't care about the upgradability of their products, except for memory. they don't want you to buy a 20" screen and sit on it for the next 10 years or a tower that you use for 7 years because it was f8cking expensive.
they want to sell you a system every 3 years.
Too bad they are not the ones making the decision. I, the customer, have all the power.
I already have a great display - that's a fact. What Apple can do is to acknowledge the fact and play along with it, they can't wish it away.
Obviously I'm not paying for a new display now. Neither will I buy a new Apple as long as the only "reasonable" upgrade is a 2000? dual Powermac. I find it just stupid that they don't have a reasonable 1000? desktop in the lineup.
Originally posted by BrunoBruin
But we have one of the new metal 23-inch displays in the office, and I keep looking at it and thinking it would make an awfully nice iMac, if they could spread the internals horizontally and keep the thin bezel all the way around... I would buy one immediately.
But would you still buy the 23" iMac, if they had a new cube at $1000?
Originally posted by gar
great, two external powerbricks on your desk. that's progress.
a G5 cube is an alternative to the G5tower.
Honestly, what the big deal about a power birick? You can keep them on the floor out of the way. They are air cooled and reduce the footprint on the desktop. Keep them next to the APC-UPS.
Originally posted by AquaMac
Honestly, what the big deal about a power birick? You can keep them on the floor out of the way. They are air cooled and reduce the footprint on the desktop. Keep them next to the APC-UPS.
It's a big deal if they can leave a fan out or make the existing ones quieter by using a power brick.
Otherwise I don't like extra bricks. The floor under my desk is absolutely swamped with cables and adapters and extensions as is. Better to have everything in the device and a neat, plain powercord.
Originally posted by BrunoBruin
I would bet the 20 outsells the two 17s. The people I know who have bought iMacs have ALL gone for the 20. That's just anecdotal evidence, but I do recall that in the first line of G4 iMacs, the most expensive SuperDrive model outsold the CD-RW and combo models combined.
I used to think that a 23-inch iMac was extremely unlikely, but I have to say: having gotten used to using larger displays at work, the 20-inch iMacs seem rather tight. I honestly think it would be too small for me, even though it's a few pixels larger than my current 22-inch home display (the largest display my Cube will handle). But we have one of the new metal 23-inch displays in the office, and I keep looking at it and thinking it would make an awfully nice iMac, if they could spread the internals horizontally and keep the thin bezel all the way around... I would buy one immediately.
Originally posted by Gon
But would you still buy the 23" iMac, if they had a new cube at $1000?
Oh, if the Cube was a G5, absolutely not! I would happily replace my old Cube with a G5 Cube, even at $1,500, and keep my 22-inch display. But I think Apple sees the mini as the new Cube, and the G5 towers are just too absurdly large for me.
Originally posted by gar
sorry, your probally right.
when i read G5cube that has to be a G5mini,
i looked at the current Mac mini and that one has an external powerbrick.
i looked at the previous G4cube that has a piece of concrete on a string.
so i figured
Fuck the mini, fuck the cube, fuck all these dainty Sharper Image clones.
Here's what I want: a high end "Pro" tower, and a low end "Consumer" tower. Simple, clean, and meets everyone's needs.
For the Pro Tower, start with the current Powermac but include 4 HD bays and 5 PCI-X slots. Add a second optical drive, or at least a space to put one. Finally, put some freakin' Firewire and USB2 ports on the front of the damn tower! Pros like to do crazy shit like plug and unplug their HD video cameras, and so there should be a full compliment of ports on both the front and rear - even if Ives whines about it! Show some effort to make the "Pro" tower look like something a professional would use. Make it bad-ass.
Consumer Tower: Ok forget about the cutesy palm of your hand bullshit, this should be a real tower for real computer geeks - that means two HD bays, 1 PCI-X slot, a full-sized video card in an agp slot, or whatever format pleases Apple, an optical drive, and an internal power supply. Again, lets see some FW/USB2 ports on both the front and back, for temporary connections or permanent connections. This tower should be small and compact by tower standards. I'm thinking the height of the Cube with the depth of the current Powermac case, but Apple shouldn't blow a wad of money on designing and fabbing some prissy Sharper Image wannabe. It's a tower, it's supposed to be large, that's the whole freakin' point!
Now how about differentiation? Besides the differences described above, here's a shot at some more (All towers are powered by PPC 970/980)
Pro Tower:
All twin dual-core, or at the very least dual CPU.
Support for up to 16 GB RAM.
1 MB L2 cache per CPU core.
Price: >$2000. These are pro systems, so give 'em pro prices.
Consumer Tower:
All single CPU. Dual core ONLY if the Pro Towers are all twin-dual core.
Support for up to 4 GB RAM (8 GB if dual core).
1 MB L2 cache per CPU core.
Price: $1000 - $2000.
If the consumer and pro towers are differentiated by the number of CPUs/cores, then there is no need to neuter the clockspeed of the consumer towers.
Keep the Mini for the sub-$1000 market, but it should have a G5 as well. The more G5s Apple sells, the cheaper they get and the more seriously IBM takes the Apple market.