Scientologists seem to characterize psychiatrists as dope pushers, but it's just too much of a characature to take seriously, which is too bad because there is some merit to the sentiment that chemical therpay is over-used/abused by medical professionals.
The problem is that they take a hardline approach to the issue. To them, ALL the drugs are evil and ruin your purity because they are 'toxins' that must be leeched out through a series of sauna treatments. I agree that there are a lot of things that are over-medicated for, but that doesn't mean that the drugs are all bad either.
Tom Cruise was just on TV talking about how the psychiatrists are drug dealers because ritalin is a 'street drug.' Well, so is morphine. Does that mean that we stop giving patients morphine, instead giving them a carrot to dull the pain because the carrot is 'more natural' and has the Xenu seal of approval?
I think what is detestable is that scientology both dismisses psychiatry in it's totality WHILE prescribing a bunch of horse shit as an alternative.
For really crazy people, sure - Psychiatry and drugs are the way to go.
For normal (i.e. slightly crazy) people - I have found that co-counseling (http://www.rc.org/) to be the way to go. As far as I can tell, it is similar to scientology - except that it is free, and it is not a religion or a cult, and there are no space aliens, volcanos or boats.
Co-counseling seems way more effective than regular psychiatry unless you are a true lunitic.
For really crazy people, sure - Psychiatry and drugs are the way to go.
For normal (i.e. slightly crazy) people - I have found that co-counseling (http://www.rc.org/) to be the way to go. As far as I can tell, it is similar to scientology - except that it is free, and it is not a religion or a cult, and there are no space aliens, volcanos or boats.
Co-counseling seems way more effective than regular psychiatry unless you are a true lunitic.
Only a crazy person doesn't think they are crazy... here take this personality test.
In relation to the Matt Lauer interview: I think it just proves what a nutjob Tom Cruise really is. His entire argument was based on his "experience"...not that he bothered to explain that. Of course, Lauer wasn't going to say anything negative about him, since it's his job to deal with people like Cruise.
In relation to the Matt Lauer interview: I think it just proves what a nutjob Tom Cruise really is. His entire argument was based on his "experience"...not that he bothered to explain that. Of course, Lauer wasn't going to say anything negative about him, since it's his job to deal with people like Cruise.
I see a lot of the celeb scientologists who make the argument that the "techniques" they learned in scientology worked for them, so they must be valid. As if I could just as easily be People's sexiest man in America if I only followed the program.
Let's see...
"I was spanked as a kid and I turned out ok."
"Jesus saved my life, he can save yours."
"I pulled myself out of poverty and became a millionare, so can you."
"I lost 40 lbs on the atkins diet, so can you."
etc...
How much friggin wisdom does it require to realize people are complex, situations are different, and causes are hidden in correalation?
There has to be a name for this specific type of logical fallacy, as it is rampant in the world.
I heard on the radio this morning that there is a petition on the internet (I forget where, so google it) to boycott tom cruise's movies because of his outraegous behavior in relation to scientology (think Oprah) and because of his "condescending tone" towards interviewers, specifically Matt Lauer.
Also, another funfact about Scientologists which I was informed of with total seriousness by one of them while in Italy is that there is scientific proof that there are pyramids on Mars which were built by humans (yes, you read that right)...kinda beats the whole "is there water on Mars" discovery.
Oh, and apparently we're all derived from some evil supergod who populasted volcanoes with our seeds or whatnot 70 Million years ago.
And am I the only one who noticed the similarity between the name Xenu (Supergod, see above) and Xeon (the intel processor)...I would get a real kick out of "Xenu Inside" stickers with the intel logo with little horns and erupting or something...BRING ON THE PHOTOSHOP!
Also, another funfact about Scientologists which I was informed of with total seriousness by one of them while in Italy is that there is scientific proof that there are pyramids on Mars which were built by humans (yes, you read that right)...kinda beats the whole "is there water on Mars" discovery.
Oh, and apparently we're all derived from some evil supergod who populasted volcanoes with our seeds or whatnot 70 Million years ago.
And am I the only one who noticed the similarity between the name Xenu (Supergod, see above) and Xeon (the intel processor)...I would get a real kick out of "Xenu Inside" stickers with the intel logo with little horns and erupting or something...BRING ON THE PHOTOSHOP!
One evening, some time ago, I set up my camera across the street from the Scientology office in Toronto and took a flash photograph every 5 minutes.
Hey, a mod from T.O., cool. I know that building. I wouldn't neccessarily repeat that stunt these days -- it seems people around the world have collectively freaked out about street photography.
Hey, a mod from T.O., cool. I know that building. I wouldn't neccessarily repeat that stunt these days -- it seems people around the world have collectively freaked out about street photography.
That's funny. One time I was visiting NY City and I was filming my wife walking in front of some government building with my camcorder when some NY cops stopped me and told me I couldn't do that. Apparently this was in reaction to the Oklahoma City bombing.
I told them I was pretty sure it was unconstitutional to prevent me from filming a public building that is in plain site. They agreed, but said they would have to haul me in anyway and I could spend the rest of my vacation fighting it in court, so I stopped. They were nice guys and I don't hold it against them, but that was my first glimpse of how stupid the government could be.
That's funny. One time I was visiting NY City and I was filming my wife walking in front of some government building with my camcorder when some NY cops stopped me and told me I couldn't do that. Apparently this was in reaction to the Oklahoma City bombing.
I told them I was pretty sure it was unconstitutional to prevent me from filming a public building that is in plain site. They agreed, but said they would have to hall me in anyway and I could spend the rest of my vacation fighting it in court, so I stopped. They were nice guys and I don't hold it against them, but that was my first glimpse of how stupid the government could be.
When I was in Italy last summer, my family wanted to get a photo at the Rome airport with our tour guide. We got one photo in before three guys armed with Uzis came over to us and told us to get the hell out of there. Those guys kept their fingers on those triggers the entire time
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
Scientologists seem to characterize psychiatrists as dope pushers, but it's just too much of a characature to take seriously, which is too bad because there is some merit to the sentiment that chemical therpay is over-used/abused by medical professionals.
The problem is that they take a hardline approach to the issue. To them, ALL the drugs are evil and ruin your purity because they are 'toxins' that must be leeched out through a series of sauna treatments. I agree that there are a lot of things that are over-medicated for, but that doesn't mean that the drugs are all bad either.
Tom Cruise was just on TV talking about how the psychiatrists are drug dealers because ritalin is a 'street drug.' Well, so is morphine. Does that mean that we stop giving patients morphine, instead giving them a carrot to dull the pain because the carrot is 'more natural' and has the Xenu seal of approval?
I think what is detestable is that scientology both dismisses psychiatry in it's totality WHILE prescribing a bunch of horse shit as an alternative.
For really crazy people, sure - Psychiatry and drugs are the way to go.
For normal (i.e. slightly crazy) people - I have found that co-counseling (http://www.rc.org/) to be the way to go. As far as I can tell, it is similar to scientology - except that it is free, and it is not a religion or a cult, and there are no space aliens, volcanos or boats.
Co-counseling seems way more effective than regular psychiatry unless you are a true lunitic.
Originally posted by e1618978
For really crazy people, sure - Psychiatry and drugs are the way to go.
For normal (i.e. slightly crazy) people - I have found that co-counseling (http://www.rc.org/) to be the way to go. As far as I can tell, it is similar to scientology - except that it is free, and it is not a religion or a cult, and there are no space aliens, volcanos or boats.
Co-counseling seems way more effective than regular psychiatry unless you are a true lunitic.
Only a crazy person doesn't think they are crazy... here take this personality test.
Originally posted by mynamehere
In relation to the Matt Lauer interview: I think it just proves what a nutjob Tom Cruise really is. His entire argument was based on his "experience"...not that he bothered to explain that. Of course, Lauer wasn't going to say anything negative about him, since it's his job to deal with people like Cruise.
I see a lot of the celeb scientologists who make the argument that the "techniques" they learned in scientology worked for them, so they must be valid. As if I could just as easily be People's sexiest man in America if I only followed the program.
Let's see...
"I was spanked as a kid and I turned out ok."
"Jesus saved my life, he can save yours."
"I pulled myself out of poverty and became a millionare, so can you."
"I lost 40 lbs on the atkins diet, so can you."
etc...
How much friggin wisdom does it require to realize people are complex, situations are different, and causes are hidden in correalation?
There has to be a name for this specific type of logical fallacy, as it is rampant in the world.
Oh, and apparently we're all derived from some evil supergod who populasted volcanoes with our seeds or whatnot 70 Million years ago.
And am I the only one who noticed the similarity between the name Xenu (Supergod, see above) and Xeon (the intel processor)...I would get a real kick out of "Xenu Inside" stickers with the intel logo with little horns and erupting or something...BRING ON THE PHOTOSHOP!
Originally posted by mynamehere
Also, another funfact about Scientologists which I was informed of with total seriousness by one of them while in Italy is that there is scientific proof that there are pyramids on Mars which were built by humans (yes, you read that right)...kinda beats the whole "is there water on Mars" discovery.
Oh, and apparently we're all derived from some evil supergod who populasted volcanoes with our seeds or whatnot 70 Million years ago.
And am I the only one who noticed the similarity between the name Xenu (Supergod, see above) and Xeon (the intel processor)...I would get a real kick out of "Xenu Inside" stickers with the intel logo with little horns and erupting or something...BRING ON THE PHOTOSHOP!
Originally posted by audiopollution
One evening, some time ago, I set up my camera across the street from the Scientology office in Toronto and took a flash photograph every 5 minutes.
Hey, a mod from T.O., cool. I know that building. I wouldn't neccessarily repeat that stunt these days -- it seems people around the world have collectively freaked out about street photography.
Originally posted by Matsu
Hey, a mod from T.O., cool. I know that building. I wouldn't neccessarily repeat that stunt these days -- it seems people around the world have collectively freaked out about street photography.
That's funny. One time I was visiting NY City and I was filming my wife walking in front of some government building with my camcorder when some NY cops stopped me and told me I couldn't do that. Apparently this was in reaction to the Oklahoma City bombing.
I told them I was pretty sure it was unconstitutional to prevent me from filming a public building that is in plain site. They agreed, but said they would have to haul me in anyway and I could spend the rest of my vacation fighting it in court, so I stopped. They were nice guys and I don't hold it against them, but that was my first glimpse of how stupid the government could be.
Originally posted by Nordstrodamus
That's funny. One time I was visiting NY City and I was filming my wife walking in front of some government building with my camcorder when some NY cops stopped me and told me I couldn't do that. Apparently this was in reaction to the Oklahoma City bombing.
I told them I was pretty sure it was unconstitutional to prevent me from filming a public building that is in plain site. They agreed, but said they would have to hall me in anyway and I could spend the rest of my vacation fighting it in court, so I stopped. They were nice guys and I don't hold it against them, but that was my first glimpse of how stupid the government could be.
When I was in Italy last summer, my family wanted to get a photo at the Rome airport with our tour guide. We got one photo in before three guys armed with Uzis came over to us and told us to get the hell out of there. Those guys kept their fingers on those triggers the entire time