Let's hold off on the squabbling and address the DNS issue please.
What DNS issue? The guy can reinstall OSX and it will still be slow. There is nothing to discuss here, OSX is slow for surfing. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, so here is a simple test. Download the Ubuntu Linux Live CD and compare it for yourself.
OS X is not slow for surfing. It does depend on ones DNS servers for their ISP. I use DNS servers that are not part of my ISP and my surfing is a lot faster than when using the DNS servers from my ISP. When using the ISP's DNS servers that they give to me, my Windows boxes are just as slow for surfing as is OS X.
What DNS issue? The guy can reinstall OSX and it will still be slow. There is nothing to discuss here, OSX is slow for surfing. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, so here is a simple test. Download the Ubuntu Linux Live CD and compare it for yourself.
Ubuntu has IPv6 enabled throughout the system which on my line slows everything down. Sure you can disable through firefox, but for the system it's kernel time Do us all a favour and get educated on networks, though if you still insist on your bullshit, so be it, but remember it's in your mind
I didn't really understand the document, but turning on DNS caching sped up my web browsing 10x or so, and I am behind a IP spoofing router - so I doubt that anyone could find my cache (or care if they did find it anyway).
The mini...the PowerMac...the iMac...they are ponderous at best compared to the 'snap' to screen you get on a modest Athlon 1.6xp.
Sorry, but the few Windows machines here are not faster than our Macs at surfing.
And remember that each browser's way of showing content (especially when to display content) can make one browser seem faster than another, and I feel that IE is absolutely terrible at handling multiple windows.
But to go back to the original question in this thread, there seems to be a bug in Tiger that means slow DNS resolving when both Ethernet and AirPort is turned on in Network Preferences.
Try using the dig command in Terminal to investigate further on resolving issues.
OSX is slow in general but your right surfing is down right abysmal. Solution, you need a G5 2GHz plus. OSX, though extremely cool and full of OS goodness it?s not efficient; it?s a down right resource hog.
OS X is a resource hog but I say surfing is pretty reasonable.
I didn't really understand the document, but turning on DNS caching sped up my web browsing 10x or so, and I am behind a IP spoofing router - so I doubt that anyone could find my cache (or care if they did find it anyway).
The BIND server runs as root so it's another vector that can be used to try to take over your machine. If you're behind a NAT router you'll obviously not have that problem. It's just important to know all the facts before turning on a service with as poor a security history as BIND, and it's not something I would recommend to a novice.
OS X is a resource hog but I say surfing is pretty reasonable.
No OSX actually uses the available resources. Windows will leave a lot on the table and never use it. Unused resources are just so much wasted $$ and no throughput to speak for it. Most folks carping about that are just talking about the Activity Monitor or top RAM statistics, without having a clue of what they really mean.
Don't get me started, it's been a long week grading OS coursework and dealing with lower than expected performance on a relatively easy test. The mimosa's don't help either.
Sorry, but the few Windows machines here are not faster than our Macs at surfing.
They must be Pentium IIs. Every PC I've seen in the last couple of years is much faster running IE than a Mac is running Safari. Same with Flash. Open GL. 'Snappy' window GUIing.
Clearly, PPC isn't as fast as Intel on these things or asoptimised. The result is the same. Slower on these things.
I'm not an expert like some of the peeps in this thread, but i've just switched from a Pentium 3.0 ghz with 2 gigs of RAM to an iMac G5 with 1 gig of RAM, and the latter is by far faster at all tasks, including surfing the internet. Safari never chokes on a page load like IE and Firefox do and it doesn't crash on me when i have a crapload of other programs open.
They must be Pentium IIs. Every PC I've seen in the last couple of years is much faster running IE than a Mac is running Safari. Same with Flash. Open GL. 'Snappy' window GUIing.
Clearly, PPC isn't as fast as Intel on these things or asoptimised. The result is the same. Slower on these things.
Lemon Bon Bon
You keep on insisting that macs are slower on web browsing grounds but have yet to show any comparative benchmarks. The problem is that you're trying to compare Windows to OS X and on a completely different architecture. Furthermore, rendering pages in a browser has very little to do with the underlying OS and more to do with the browser itself, which again is not an accurate test, as you're comparing 2 different technologies. I have a 3 GHZ P4 sitting right next to me alongside my mini, and IE on the P4 is no slower or faster at page loading going by what you're going by, which is your gut instinct.
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Originally posted by lundy
Let's hold off on the squabbling and address the DNS issue please.
What DNS issue? The guy can reinstall OSX and it will still be slow. There is nothing to discuss here, OSX is slow for surfing. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, so here is a simple test. Download the Ubuntu Linux Live CD and compare it for yourself.
Originally posted by Relic
What DNS issue? The guy can reinstall OSX and it will still be slow. There is nothing to discuss here, OSX is slow for surfing. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, so here is a simple test. Download the Ubuntu Linux Live CD and compare it for yourself.
Ubuntu has IPv6 enabled throughout the system which on my line slows everything down. Sure you can disable through firefox, but for the system it's kernel time
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Is it me or is OS X 10.4 Tiger sloooooow resolving web sites?
Do you have both AirPort and Ethernet turned on?
Originally posted by e1618978
Tiger on my mini (using Safari and roadrunner) is very quick.
One thing that may help is logging in as root and turning on DNS cache:
file: /etc/hostconfig
change
DNSSERVER=-NO-
to
DNSSERVER=-YES-
Not necessarily a good idea, especially if you're unaware of the security implications of running a BIND server.
Originally posted by Squozen
Not necessarily a good idea, especially if you're unaware of the security implications of running a BIND server.
What are the security implications?
Originally posted by e1618978
What are the security implications?
DNS cache snooping; http://community.sidestep.pt/~luis/D...ooping_1.1.pdf
It's a good read.
The mini...the PowerMac...the iMac...they are ponderous at best compared to the 'snap' to screen you get on a modest Athlon 1.6xp.
It was noticeable in Steve's 'Intel'-note that his machine seems much more responsive on Safari than any PPC I've played with...
There are other factors like DNS, routers, ISP speed etc.
But Macs are 'average' re: sloooooooow. I wish it wasn't so.
Same with Open GL performance. You'd have to be mad to say the PowerMac dual 2.7 can out perform PCs of a similar spec...
Again...seems to be something to do with Intel cpu. They bench higher in GL. Developer benches back it up...
Lemon Bon Bon
Also, after a few days, the RSS feeds don't update anymore. I have to quit Safari and then it works... I hate that.
Why is it so slow all of a sudden?
And yes, I also have Pith Helmet to block out hundreds of stupid ad sites and such.
Originally posted by Relic
DNS cache snooping; http://community.sidestep.pt/~luis/D...ooping_1.1.pdf
It's a good read.
I didn't really understand the document, but turning on DNS caching sped up my web browsing 10x or so, and I am behind a IP spoofing router - so I doubt that anyone could find my cache (or care if they did find it anyway).
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
Sorry, 'X' is dog slow for surfing.
The mini...the PowerMac...the iMac...they are ponderous at best compared to the 'snap' to screen you get on a modest Athlon 1.6xp.
Sorry, but the few Windows machines here are not faster than our Macs at surfing.
And remember that each browser's way of showing content (especially when to display content) can make one browser seem faster than another, and I feel that IE is absolutely terrible at handling multiple windows.
But to go back to the original question in this thread, there seems to be a bug in Tiger that means slow DNS resolving when both Ethernet and AirPort is turned on in Network Preferences.
Try using the dig command in Terminal to investigate further on resolving issues.
Originally posted by Relic
OSX is slow in general but your right surfing is down right abysmal. Solution, you need a G5 2GHz plus. OSX, though extremely cool and full of OS goodness it?s not efficient; it?s a down right resource hog.
OS X is a resource hog but I say surfing is pretty reasonable.
Originally posted by e1618978
I didn't really understand the document, but turning on DNS caching sped up my web browsing 10x or so, and I am behind a IP spoofing router - so I doubt that anyone could find my cache (or care if they did find it anyway).
The BIND server runs as root so it's another vector that can be used to try to take over your machine. If you're behind a NAT router you'll obviously not have that problem. It's just important to know all the facts before turning on a service with as poor a security history as BIND, and it's not something I would recommend to a novice.
Originally posted by ryaxnb
OS X is a resource hog but I say surfing is pretty reasonable.
No OSX actually uses the available resources. Windows will leave a lot on the table and never use it. Unused resources are just so much wasted $$ and no throughput to speak for it. Most folks carping about that are just talking about the Activity Monitor or top RAM statistics, without having a clue of what they really mean.
Don't get me started, it's been a long week grading OS coursework and dealing with lower than expected performance on a relatively easy test. The mimosa's don't help either.
Originally posted by ryaxnb
OS X is a resource hog but I say surfing is pretty reasonable.
Oh really?
Well it ain't hogging on my mini
OS X is very good at managing resources, which is why you don't get stuff crashing ala windows.
Sorry, but the few Windows machines here are not faster than our Macs at surfing.
They must be Pentium IIs. Every PC I've seen in the last couple of years is much faster running IE than a Mac is running Safari. Same with Flash. Open GL. 'Snappy' window GUIing.
Clearly, PPC isn't as fast as Intel on these things or asoptimised. The result is the same. Slower on these things.
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
They must be Pentium IIs. Every PC I've seen in the last couple of years is much faster running IE than a Mac is running Safari. Same with Flash. Open GL. 'Snappy' window GUIing.
Clearly, PPC isn't as fast as Intel on these things or asoptimised. The result is the same. Slower on these things.
Lemon Bon Bon
You keep on insisting that macs are slower on web browsing grounds but have yet to show any comparative benchmarks. The problem is that you're trying to compare Windows to OS X and on a completely different architecture. Furthermore, rendering pages in a browser has very little to do with the underlying OS and more to do with the browser itself, which again is not an accurate test, as you're comparing 2 different technologies. I have a 3 GHZ P4 sitting right next to me alongside my mini, and IE on the P4 is no slower or faster at page loading going by what you're going by, which is your gut instinct.
IE on the P4 is no slower or faster at page loading going by what you're going by, which is your gut instinct.
What does this mean?
Originally posted by Gene Clean
What does this mean?
It means exactly that
IE (Internet Explorer) on the P4 is no slower or faster at page loading going by what you're going by, which is your gut instinct.
This is my last post on this thread as it has been derailed enough.