It's weird, in California I'm a dread liberal and scourge of the midwestern decent folk, but in Alabama I'm just another southerner.
People (yankee people) have no idea how tolerant the South can be of ne'er-do-wells, eccentrics and misfits of all stripes, just as long as they southerners, born or adopted.
People (yankee people) have no idea how tolerant the South can be of ne'er-do-wells, eccentrics and misfits of all stripes, just as long as they southerners, born or adopted.
That's because no one reads their Faulkner or Welty anymore. I mean, hell, Eck Snopes fell in love with a cow, for God's sake, and nobody went nuts about that.
Florida is pretty cheap, and it's not quite as Southern as North Carolina. In Brevard Couty (where I am) most of the business is high-tech government contractors, so there's plenty of work for anyone in tech.
That's because no one reads their Faulkner or Welty anymore. I mean, hell, Eck Snopes fell in love with a cow, for God's sake, and nobody went nuts about that.
Very true, that. I think in some ways my ideas of what it meant and means to be a Southerner, sort of um.... the more exteme possibilities, were as much influenced by Flannery O'Conner as just growing up in Alabama.
You know, that sort of hallucinogenic, crazy-with-the-heat, yet laconic and just take her as she comes vibe.
Very true, that. I think in some ways my ideas of what it meant and means to be a Southerner, sort of um.... the more exteme possibilities, were as much influenced by Flannery O'Conner as just growing up in Alabama.
You know, that sort of hallucinogenic, crazy-with-the-heat, yet laconic and just take her as she comes vibe.
I omitted O'Connor because I'm just not really sure, personally, how she felt about the South. It's a bit of a love/hate thing, it seems to me, but admittedly, I've not read nearly enough of her work to know for sure.
I can say that I have never actually run across a door to door Bible salesman who's actually stealing prosthetic limbs.
I omitted O'Connor because I'm just not really sure, personally, how she felt about the South. It's a bit of a love/hate thing, it seems to me, but admittedly, I've not read nearly enough of her work to know for sure.
I can say that I have never actually run across a door to door Bible salesman who's actually stealing prosthetic limbs.
No? Commonplace in my neck of the woods. In fact, we used to say "Mama, hide them store bought legs, a Bible salesmen done come to the door".
I know what you mean about O'Conner, in that her disreputable and possessed characters aren't exactly fond, but the cumulative tone, the mise en scene really seemed to capture the simultaneously harsh and opiated music of the lay of the land, to turn a clumsy phrase.
I know what you mean about O'Conner, in that her disreputable and possessed characters aren't exactly fond, but the cumulative tone, the mise en scene really seemed to capture the simultaneously harsh and opiated music of the lay of the land, to turn a clumsy phrase.
Now damn it, Addabox! You can't go around using phrases like "mise en scene"! Didn't you get the memo that we're supposed to keep letting the yankees think we're dumb as a bag of rocks? I suppose it's my fault, what with my use of "ersatz" up there.
Now damn it, Addabox! You can't go around using phrases like "mise en scene"! Didn't you get the memo that we're supposed to keep letting the yankees think we're dumb as a bag of rocks? I suppose it's my fault, what with my use of "ersatz" up there.
Whoops, sorry, I meant to say "That writer lady, she sure do know how to write good? It's like a can see what she's sayin' in my head? Damn, if I can't!"
Chapel Hill and Raleigh (especially the RTP area) aren't really "Southern' -- too many Yankees. Greenville SC isn't really southern, nor is Asheville NC. Charlotte is hardly worth mentioning as a "Southern" place these days, following Atlanta.
Greenville NC is a nice place to live, but hot in the summer. 10 minutes from town and you're in the sticks.
NC is more modern than most of the South, but the places you're talking about moving to are more "Yankeefied" than parts of rural Connecticut, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Rural is rural, no matter where you go.
You really must be Southern. Any place that has a Bill Graham Highway is way too Southern for my NY ass!
Outsider, you should really think about this, I mean you are prolly too old to be tainted, but your offspring will be Southern. \
My offspring have lived here their whole lives, and they are not southern. Raleigh - Durham - Chapel Hill is very non-southern, you hear an accent every few days or so, but my kids didn't pick it up.
I'm a big fan of Duham and Chapel Hill as well. There are a lot of relocated yankees here, so don't expect too big a culture shock if any. If you want something more different, the Triangle isn't really the right area since it's grown so much from transplants. It's really this oasis of northerndom in East/Central Carolina. Western Carolina like Hendersonville, Asheville, etc. are suppoed to be really nice too. Don't know about the job market there though, there are a lot of resorts.
I love Durham myself, great food, a downtown that's finally coming together in a big way, nice old homes on the cheap, big intellectual and professional area. Durham's repute for being a city in trouble comes from the poor East Durham area, and that still is a problem, so it's not all rosy of course. Parts West are nice, near Duke, and I live downtown. C.A.R.Y. is cul-de-sac hell IMO. Raleigh just feels like Trenton to me. A tour of the capital area one afternoon satiated me. Chapel Hill is a big college town. Carrboro is great too, right next to Chapel Hill. Contact me if you have specific questions about Durham. I moved here a year ago.
We just went down for a 4 day weekend to check out real estate and the area and liked what we saw. people were friendly and they actually knew how to drive. And great barbeque!
My offspring have lived here their whole lives, and they are not southern. Raleigh - Durham - Chapel Hill is very non-southern, you hear an accent every few days or so, but my kids didn't pick it up.
Told you. Too many Yankees. Might as well be the DC area (NOVA).
We just went down for a 4 day weekend to check out real estate and the area and liked what we saw. people were friendly and they actually knew how to drive. And great barbeque!
make sure you don't get sucked into the "cult" of wet, tomato-based BBQ that they eat in Eastern NC. It's tripe.
The REAL barbecue comes from the Western part of the state, and folks eat it dry with a vinegar-based pepper sauce added to taste (at the table). This kind is sometimes referred to as Lexington BBQ (due to the yummy BBQ produced in that town) and is to die for. Like butter, even.
NOTE: in no way can beef or chicken be used to create REAL BBQ. Real BBQ is chopped pork. And ribs don't count either.
Don't worry, finboy, the best BBQ place in Durham serves western Carolina BBQ with pulled pork of course.
Outsider, you'll find that people here don't merge with highway traffic too well (they enter the Durham freeway going about 35 mph and use the right lane to speed up), and there are a fair number of tailgaters too once they do get going.
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Originally posted by Outsider
I'm not worried about going down south culture wise, as long as there are still places to get good sushi.
Ah sushi addict, I bet that is were the debt issue comes from. Just say NO! ... or sell your TV,your parent's TV, the neighbors TV, you get the idea.
Originally posted by midwinter
Fucking yankees.
I got your back, bro.
It's weird, in California I'm a dread liberal and scourge of the midwestern decent folk, but in Alabama I'm just another southerner.
People (yankee people) have no idea how tolerant the South can be of ne'er-do-wells, eccentrics and misfits of all stripes, just as long as they southerners, born or adopted.
Originally posted by addabox
People (yankee people) have no idea how tolerant the South can be of ne'er-do-wells, eccentrics and misfits of all stripes, just as long as they southerners, born or adopted.
That's because no one reads their Faulkner or Welty anymore. I mean, hell, Eck Snopes fell in love with a cow, for God's sake, and nobody went nuts about that.
Need I even mention George E. Ohr, the Mad Potter of Biloxi?
Originally posted by midwinter
That's because no one reads their Faulkner or Welty anymore. I mean, hell, Eck Snopes fell in love with a cow, for God's sake, and nobody went nuts about that.
Need I even mention George E. Ohr, the Mad Potter of Biloxi?
Very true, that. I think in some ways my ideas of what it meant and means to be a Southerner, sort of um.... the more exteme possibilities, were as much influenced by Flannery O'Conner as just growing up in Alabama.
You know, that sort of hallucinogenic, crazy-with-the-heat, yet laconic and just take her as she comes vibe.
Originally posted by addabox
Very true, that. I think in some ways my ideas of what it meant and means to be a Southerner, sort of um.... the more exteme possibilities, were as much influenced by Flannery O'Conner as just growing up in Alabama.
You know, that sort of hallucinogenic, crazy-with-the-heat, yet laconic and just take her as she comes vibe.
I omitted O'Connor because I'm just not really sure, personally, how she felt about the South. It's a bit of a love/hate thing, it seems to me, but admittedly, I've not read nearly enough of her work to know for sure.
I can say that I have never actually run across a door to door Bible salesman who's actually stealing prosthetic limbs.
Originally posted by midwinter
I omitted O'Connor because I'm just not really sure, personally, how she felt about the South. It's a bit of a love/hate thing, it seems to me, but admittedly, I've not read nearly enough of her work to know for sure.
I can say that I have never actually run across a door to door Bible salesman who's actually stealing prosthetic limbs.
No? Commonplace in my neck of the woods. In fact, we used to say "Mama, hide them store bought legs, a Bible salesmen done come to the door".
I know what you mean about O'Conner, in that her disreputable and possessed characters aren't exactly fond, but the cumulative tone, the mise en scene really seemed to capture the simultaneously harsh and opiated music of the lay of the land, to turn a clumsy phrase.
Originally posted by addabox
I know what you mean about O'Conner, in that her disreputable and possessed characters aren't exactly fond, but the cumulative tone, the mise en scene really seemed to capture the simultaneously harsh and opiated music of the lay of the land, to turn a clumsy phrase.
Now damn it, Addabox! You can't go around using phrases like "mise en scene"! Didn't you get the memo that we're supposed to keep letting the yankees think we're dumb as a bag of rocks? I suppose it's my fault, what with my use of "ersatz" up there.
Originally posted by midwinter
Now damn it, Addabox! You can't go around using phrases like "mise en scene"! Didn't you get the memo that we're supposed to keep letting the yankees think we're dumb as a bag of rocks? I suppose it's my fault, what with my use of "ersatz" up there.
Whoops, sorry, I meant to say "That writer lady, she sure do know how to write good? It's like a can see what she's sayin' in my head? Damn, if I can't!"
Greenville NC is a nice place to live, but hot in the summer. 10 minutes from town and you're in the sticks.
NC is more modern than most of the South, but the places you're talking about moving to are more "Yankeefied" than parts of rural Connecticut, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Rural is rural, no matter where you go.
hapel Hill and Raleigh (especially the RTP area) aren't really "Southern' -- too many Yankees.
You really must be Southern. Any place that has a Bill Graham Highway is way too Southern for my NY ass!
Outsider, you should really think about this, I mean you are prolly too old to be tainted, but your offspring will be Southern.
Originally posted by trick fall
You really must be Southern. Any place that has a Bill Graham Highway is way too Southern for my NY ass!
Outsider, you should really think about this, I mean you are prolly too old to be tainted, but your offspring will be Southern.
I plan on changing NC to a blue state.
Originally posted by trick fall
You really must be Southern. Any place that has a Bill Graham Highway is way too Southern for my NY ass!
Outsider, you should really think about this, I mean you are prolly too old to be tainted, but your offspring will be Southern.
My offspring have lived here their whole lives, and they are not southern. Raleigh - Durham - Chapel Hill is very non-southern, you hear an accent every few days or so, but my kids didn't pick it up.
I love Durham myself, great food, a downtown that's finally coming together in a big way, nice old homes on the cheap, big intellectual and professional area. Durham's repute for being a city in trouble comes from the poor East Durham area, and that still is a problem, so it's not all rosy of course. Parts West are nice, near Duke, and I live downtown. C.A.R.Y. is cul-de-sac hell IMO. Raleigh just feels like Trenton to me. A tour of the capital area one afternoon satiated me. Chapel Hill is a big college town. Carrboro is great too, right next to Chapel Hill. Contact me if you have specific questions about Durham. I moved here a year ago.
We just went down for a 4 day weekend to check out real estate and the area and liked what we saw. people were friendly and they actually knew how to drive. And great barbeque!
Originally posted by e1618978
My offspring have lived here their whole lives, and they are not southern. Raleigh - Durham - Chapel Hill is very non-southern, you hear an accent every few days or so, but my kids didn't pick it up.
Told you. Too many Yankees. Might as well be the DC area (NOVA).
Originally posted by Outsider
Thanks B.R.
We just went down for a 4 day weekend to check out real estate and the area and liked what we saw. people were friendly and they actually knew how to drive. And great barbeque!
make sure you don't get sucked into the "cult" of wet, tomato-based BBQ that they eat in Eastern NC. It's tripe.
The REAL barbecue comes from the Western part of the state, and folks eat it dry with a vinegar-based pepper sauce added to taste (at the table). This kind is sometimes referred to as Lexington BBQ (due to the yummy BBQ produced in that town) and is to die for. Like butter, even.
NOTE: in no way can beef or chicken be used to create REAL BBQ. Real BBQ is chopped pork. And ribs don't count either.
Outsider, you'll find that people here don't merge with highway traffic too well (they enter the Durham freeway going about 35 mph and use the right lane to speed up), and there are a fair number of tailgaters too once they do get going.