no, its not supposed to be used that way... although it would be cool if the arrow was also used to kill the number1 cyclon-human clone person/thing ~ stake through the heart ~ killing the "head vampire" style
No, I'm thinking someone in marketing. You know, that first up against the wall thing?
If Sprint doesn't have it, I won't buy it, and I will tell Apple exactly why they lost a potential sale. Apple is going to do no one a favor by forcing you to change cell phone providers to buy their new gadget. Apple needs to make it available to every cell network.
If Sprint doesn't have it, I won't buy it, and I will tell Apple exactly why they lost a potential sale. Apple is going to do no one a favor by forcing you to change cell phone providers to buy their new gadget. Apple needs to make it available to every cell network.
Apple isn't forcing anynoe into doing anything. In case you don't know, it's the Cell companies who decide which phones they'll use, not the phone manufacturers.
I'm sure Apple would prefer to have every Cell company offer their phone.
pdeville raises some very good points. Another point of consideration is that this is not the first cellphone/DMP combination. It's probably the first to support the AAC format and definitely the first to support FairPlay protected files, but other cellphones have come before that support MP3 files: Nokia 6230, Sony Ericsson K700i, Moto MS400 are some of the more recent models. If you haven't heard much about these phones, it's because their MP3 capabilities were poorly excecuted and poorly marketed.
In my experience, Moto make reasonably reliable, but very ugly phones. What I've seen of the iTunes phone's rumored appearance is no exception to the last fraction of that sentence. Ugly. Very ugly.
The iTunes phone is meant to give its users a "taste of the iPod experience". Job's own words from a Moto presentation. When I heard that, I imagined the iPod equivalent of one of those shampoo samplers, and from what I've heard so far, that's exactly what the iTunes phone is. Rumor has it, the iTunes software kitted on the phone limits the user to keeping 25 songs on the device at once... don't expect to be throwing your iPod out any time soon. No, not even your Shuffle.
There are, of course, other reasons to believe Sept 7 isn't going to be the release of the iTunes phone:
1.) Reportedly, the beta version of the iTunes Phone software limited its capacity to 25 songs. IF these reports were correct, either Apple limited the iTunes phone beta so it wouldn't end up stolen and sold on the black market - not in their best interests as this wouldn't give proper beta results - or the caption of the flyer was a misprint for, "1000 songs, on the very old iPods, but on your brand new, very expensive cellphone, you can only store 2.5% of that figure."
2.) Why would Apple refer to the iPod in advertising the iTunes phone, products they clearly want to be kept distinct from one another? Remember, it's the iTunes Phone (running on a machine not even manufactured by Apple), not the iPod phone.
3.) Why would apple say, "...here we go again" about a completely new device that isn't even an Apple product?
2.) Why would Apple refer to the iPod in advertising the iTunes phone, products they clearly want to be kept distinct from one another? Remember, it's the iTunes Phone (running on a machine not even manufactured by Apple), not the iPod phone.
That is a great question to ask Apple when trying to justify an iTunes phone at all. I still don´t see the rationale, unless they get royalties from each sold phone that is comparable to the margins on a iPod Mini.
If there is a limit to the number of songs (to limit the cannibalation of the iPod Mini) then I don´t understand Mot´s rationale. The iTunes interface only really shine through with 200+ songs and they could have made something smarter than bringing in Apple and their fees.
The iTunes interface only really shine through with 200+ songs and they could have made something smarter than bringing in Apple and their fees.
Moto have already tried MP3 phones, but they haven't won any real success. I think they figured backing from a big player would improve the success of future musical phones. From Apple's perspective, this could be a way to entice more folks into getting their fingers wet with legal digital music (preferably, from Apple's perspective, legal digital music downloaded from iTMS).
I agree about the interface. If this things is to be as limited as rumor reports, it will be very limited - with 25 songs, it's not worthwhile having playlists, let alone smart playlists!
That is a great question to ask Apple when trying to justify an iTunes phone at all. I still don´t see the rationale, unless they get royalties from each sold phone that is comparable to the margins on a iPod Mini.
If there is a limit to the number of songs (to limit the cannibalation of the iPod Mini) then I don´t understand Mot´s rationale. The iTunes interface only really shine through with 200+ songs and they could have made something smarter than bringing in Apple and their fees.
They're supposed to be getting licensing fees. How much per phone I don't know.
I've read that there will be the capability of having 100-120 songs will possibility expansion after that number.
Analysts are expecting this to be a hit.
It's just 7 days to go. I'm not making any more guesses.
At this point, all that's happening is that people are repeating the same old things ad nauseam.
I think that we are looking at the ultimate impulse purchase. Everyone carries their cell phone everywhere. Imagine how much more money Apple can make when someone can immediately dial up anywhere with cell coverage and immediately download music.
I would also expect that Apple would put in some way to download chargeable ringtones and also someway to use parts of the iTunes songs for ringtones.
Ringtones is a huge and expanding business. If Apple is able to tap into that market by giving cell access to the itms, I can see how this could be a big deal.
Also, this may be the start of the itms subscription service. Purchase the songs by cell and have your itms account accessible at al times for music. That way, Apple could limit the amount of storage necessary on the phone.
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Originally posted by sunilraman
No, I'm thinking someone in marketing. You know, that first up against the wall thing?
Originally posted by Buran
If Sprint doesn't have it, I won't buy it, and I will tell Apple exactly why they lost a potential sale. Apple is going to do no one a favor by forcing you to change cell phone providers to buy their new gadget. Apple needs to make it available to every cell network.
Apple isn't forcing anynoe into doing anything. In case you don't know, it's the Cell companies who decide which phones they'll use, not the phone manufacturers.
I'm sure Apple would prefer to have every Cell company offer their phone.
In my experience, Moto make reasonably reliable, but very ugly phones. What I've seen of the iTunes phone's rumored appearance is no exception to the last fraction of that sentence. Ugly. Very ugly.
The iTunes phone is meant to give its users a "taste of the iPod experience". Job's own words from a Moto presentation. When I heard that, I imagined the iPod equivalent of one of those shampoo samplers, and from what I've heard so far, that's exactly what the iTunes phone is. Rumor has it, the iTunes software kitted on the phone limits the user to keeping 25 songs on the device at once... don't expect to be throwing your iPod out any time soon. No, not even your Shuffle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4200540.stm
1.) Reportedly, the beta version of the iTunes Phone software limited its capacity to 25 songs. IF these reports were correct, either Apple limited the iTunes phone beta so it wouldn't end up stolen and sold on the black market - not in their best interests as this wouldn't give proper beta results - or the caption of the flyer was a misprint for, "1000 songs, on the very old iPods, but on your brand new, very expensive cellphone, you can only store 2.5% of that figure."
2.) Why would Apple refer to the iPod in advertising the iTunes phone, products they clearly want to be kept distinct from one another? Remember, it's the iTunes Phone (running on a machine not even manufactured by Apple), not the iPod phone.
3.) Why would apple say, "...here we go again" about a completely new device that isn't even an Apple product?
Originally posted by jdbartlett
2.) Why would Apple refer to the iPod in advertising the iTunes phone, products they clearly want to be kept distinct from one another? Remember, it's the iTunes Phone (running on a machine not even manufactured by Apple), not the iPod phone.
That is a great question to ask Apple when trying to justify an iTunes phone at all. I still don´t see the rationale, unless they get royalties from each sold phone that is comparable to the margins on a iPod Mini.
If there is a limit to the number of songs (to limit the cannibalation of the iPod Mini) then I don´t understand Mot´s rationale. The iTunes interface only really shine through with 200+ songs and they could have made something smarter than bringing in Apple and their fees.
Originally posted by Anders
The iTunes interface only really shine through with 200+ songs and they could have made something smarter than bringing in Apple and their fees.
Moto have already tried MP3 phones, but they haven't won any real success. I think they figured backing from a big player would improve the success of future musical phones. From Apple's perspective, this could be a way to entice more folks into getting their fingers wet with legal digital music (preferably, from Apple's perspective, legal digital music downloaded from iTMS).
I agree about the interface. If this things is to be as limited as rumor reports, it will be very limited - with 25 songs, it's not worthwhile having playlists, let alone smart playlists!
Originally posted by Anders
That is a great question to ask Apple when trying to justify an iTunes phone at all. I still don´t see the rationale, unless they get royalties from each sold phone that is comparable to the margins on a iPod Mini.
If there is a limit to the number of songs (to limit the cannibalation of the iPod Mini) then I don´t understand Mot´s rationale. The iTunes interface only really shine through with 200+ songs and they could have made something smarter than bringing in Apple and their fees.
They're supposed to be getting licensing fees. How much per phone I don't know.
I've read that there will be the capability of having 100-120 songs will possibility expansion after that number.
Analysts are expecting this to be a hit.
It's just 7 days to go. I'm not making any more guesses.
At this point, all that's happening is that people are repeating the same old things ad nauseam.
I would also expect that Apple would put in some way to download chargeable ringtones and also someway to use parts of the iTunes songs for ringtones.
Ringtones is a huge and expanding business. If Apple is able to tap into that market by giving cell access to the itms, I can see how this could be a big deal.
Also, this may be the start of the itms subscription service. Purchase the songs by cell and have your itms account accessible at al times for music. That way, Apple could limit the amount of storage necessary on the phone.