The impressive part is that Apple is still going full steam on 10.4 while working on the Mactels and 10.5. Why is it that little old Apple can do this and big old MS can't?
Oh come on. Do you know how many freaking chipsets,chips, usb devices, freak configurations MS has to support/test?
OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.
If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.
OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.
If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.
Because you guys were lucky. Most of the reports said that there were many problems. The web sites that tested it also reported problems. Do you think that Apple would turn off a useful functioning technology?
OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.
If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.
I'm not sure it works great under 10.4.3. Some users reported kernel panics the minute after they enabled it. \
But maybe in 10.4.4 it will be activated by default.
Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!!
Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!!
Apple never promised anything about Q2DE and in Tiger Q2D is already much faster than QuickDraw - perhaps they are still using that.
I've seen Quartz Extreme in several threads recently, and remember Steve-o talking about it, but can't remember exactly what it was supposed to add and do. Anyone?
Apple never promised anything about Q2DE and in Tiger Q2D is already much faster than QuickDraw - perhaps they are still using that.
Well yes they did, it was a touted feature @ WWDC and was on their Mac OS X Tiger web page for a long time. Advertising of this nature to me suggests a sure fire thing, IOW a promise.
JLL, your assumption is correct, they are still using Quickdraw. They mentioned they were actively re-writing the drawing architecture of the application, to fully implement Quartz 2D Extreme. They mentioned when Tiger ships they would be ready to ship the Cubase update to take full advantage of Q2DE which would also have seen Quickdraw deprecated and our lives better off.
This is a failed promise from my perspective...one which makes myself and countless others very bitter.
JLL, your assumption is correct, they are still using Quickdraw. They mentioned they were actively re-writing the drawing architecture of the application, to fully implement Quartz 2D Extreme. They mentioned when Tiger ships they would be ready to ship the Cubase update to take full advantage of Q2DE which would also have seen Quickdraw deprecated and our lives better off.
AFAIK they are not supposed to do anything to take advantage of Q2DE when it is enabled - other than make sure to use Q2D in the first place.
I can't see what's holding them back since Q2D alone should give them a nice speedup.
Runs stabley, all promissed features now work really fast, very few bugs remain in 10.4.3 (none that i know of) If it is everything you were promised at release and is stable and has needed bug fixes, how is it not "finished"? and what is "finished"?
Don't make me repeat things we already know but quickly forget. Fast forward to min. 23. Apple apparently miscalculated something here and was unable to deliver at all. Yet. It is just as simple as that.
Maybe Apple can make an update to OS X that brings my Dual 2.5ghz Power Mac G5 up to the performance speed (for getting around my Mac HD) that I once had in a beige G3!!!!
...With every update since 10.3.9 comes SLOWER performance and SLOOOOOOWER performance issues!!!!
Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!
Then Steinberg was bullshitting you. CubaseSX, as far as I know, still uses QuickDraw. Apple hasn't been optimizing QuickDraw for many years; it's a dying technology, no news there. Steinberg needs to switch to Quartz 2D, which as of Panther was indeed slower than QuickDraw. With Tiger, that has changed -- Quartz 2D is now faster.
Would Quartz 2D Extreme make it even faster? Yes. But that requires absolutely no intervention from developers. All developers need to do, and were supposed to do for many years now, is transition to Quartz 2D instead of QuickDraw.
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Originally posted by kenaustus
The impressive part is that Apple is still going full steam on 10.4 while working on the Mactels and 10.5. Why is it that little old Apple can do this and big old MS can't?
Oh come on. Do you know how many freaking chipsets,chips, usb devices, freak configurations MS has to support/test?
Don't make us defend MS please.
Originally posted by Chucker
Ah, alright, heh
OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.
If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.
Originally posted by Ilgaz
OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.
If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.
Because you guys were lucky. Most of the reports said that there were many problems. The web sites that tested it also reported problems. Do you think that Apple would turn off a useful functioning technology?
Originally posted by Ilgaz
OS X hints guys/community were running with Q2D Extreme for months without problems. I personally tried once, didn't see any glitch but I am kinda conservative on OS so gone back to old setting.
If you get it enabled, it works perfect giving you huge free CPU, you would ask why they resist disabling a technology like that.
I'm not sure it works great under 10.4.3. Some users reported kernel panics the minute after they enabled it.
But maybe in 10.4.4 it will be activated by default.
Originally posted by melgross
10 months from now gives Apple a good 18 month development cycle. Longer than this last one was.
Except for the fact that Tiger still is not done.
Originally posted by Chucker
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301984
Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!!
Originally posted by Targon
Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!!
Apple never promised anything about Q2DE and in Tiger Q2D is already much faster than QuickDraw - perhaps they are still using that.
Originally posted by BWhaler
Except for the fact that Tiger still is not done.
Neither was/is Panther. Software projects are hardly ever done.
Originally posted by JLL
Apple never promised anything about Q2DE and in Tiger Q2D is already much faster than QuickDraw - perhaps they are still using that.
Well yes they did, it was a touted feature @ WWDC and was on their Mac OS X Tiger web page for a long time. Advertising of this nature to me suggests a sure fire thing, IOW a promise.
JLL, your assumption is correct, they are still using Quickdraw. They mentioned they were actively re-writing the drawing architecture of the application, to fully implement Quartz 2D Extreme. They mentioned when Tiger ships they would be ready to ship the Cubase update to take full advantage of Q2DE which would also have seen Quickdraw deprecated and our lives better off.
This is a failed promise from my perspective...one which makes myself and countless others very bitter.
Originally posted by Targon
JLL, your assumption is correct, they are still using Quickdraw. They mentioned they were actively re-writing the drawing architecture of the application, to fully implement Quartz 2D Extreme. They mentioned when Tiger ships they would be ready to ship the Cubase update to take full advantage of Q2DE which would also have seen Quickdraw deprecated and our lives better off.
AFAIK they are not supposed to do anything to take advantage of Q2DE when it is enabled - other than make sure to use Q2D in the first place.
I can't see what's holding them back since Q2D alone should give them a nice speedup.
Originally posted by BWhaler
Except for the fact that Tiger still is not done.
Runs stabley, all promissed features now work really fast, very few bugs remain in 10.4.3 (none that i know of) If it is everything you were promised at release and is stable and has needed bug fixes, how is it not "finished"? and what is "finished"?
Originally posted by Targon
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/14
thanks
Originally posted by JLL
Apple never promised anything about Q2DE...
Don't make me repeat things we already know but quickly forget. Fast forward to min. 23. Apple apparently miscalculated something here and was unable to deliver at all. Yet. It is just as simple as that.
Originally posted by JLL
Neither was/is Panther. Software projects are hardly ever done.
Yawn.
Obviously no software is "complete." You can go on for ever and ever fixing bugs and adding new features.
But Tiger:
1. Does not work on single 1.8 G5
2. Has massive lockupd issues which crush internet access on late generation ibooks and new powerbooks with over 1gig of memory
3. Flicker the screen on new powerbooks with over 1 gig of memory.
These are critical, show stopper type bugs.
We're all Apple fans here. It's why we are here. But let's not be Apple Apologists.
Originally posted by BWhaler
Yawn.
Obviously no software is "complete." You can go on for ever and ever fixing bugs and adding new features.
But Tiger:
1. Does not work on single 1.8 G5
2. Has massive lockupd issues which crush internet access on late generation ibooks and new powerbooks with over 1gig of memory
3. Flicker the screen on new powerbooks with over 1 gig of memory.
These are critical, show stopper type bugs.
We're all Apple fans here. It's why we are here. But let's not be Apple Apologists.
[cough]Bullshite[/cough]
You've been ranting about this stuff for 6 months. There are no more show stopper bugs in OS X.
...With every update since 10.3.9 comes SLOWER performance and SLOOOOOOWER performance issues!!!!
C'MON!!!
Originally posted by Targon
Well that blowz!! I purchased Tiger 'exclusively' for this feature, in fact this feature alone was to be our 'savior' for audio app's like CubaseSX who still have atrocious waveform zooming performance. Steinberg developers promised us huge waveform zooming performance increases when Tiger ships with Q2DE and an updated CubaseSX to take advantage of it. This was promised well over a year ago!
Then Steinberg was bullshitting you. CubaseSX, as far as I know, still uses QuickDraw. Apple hasn't been optimizing QuickDraw for many years; it's a dying technology, no news there. Steinberg needs to switch to Quartz 2D, which as of Panther was indeed slower than QuickDraw. With Tiger, that has changed -- Quartz 2D is now faster.
Would Quartz 2D Extreme make it even faster? Yes. But that requires absolutely no intervention from developers. All developers need to do, and were supposed to do for many years now, is transition to Quartz 2D instead of QuickDraw.
Originally posted by BWhaler
Except for the fact that Tiger still is not done.
Heh! We've gone over this one before! Most of the 10.4 team has been reassigned to the 10.5 project. This starts to happen as a project winds down.
I assure you that 10.6 is already in the first phase.