He said you couldn't get this functionality anywhere else. You can with a PC.
I am not promoting getting a PC. I have VPC. (And I think it blows).
Lord. I think the turkey dinners are getting to ya.
Maybe a need a few of these for ya.
Joking.
Joking.
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He could also try Guest PC but it really blows. (That's not a joke.) Or it could be if you think Guest PC is a joke but I don't know how you will respond to this one.
In my vast experience with Virtual PC 7, memory and processor's speed aren't the only importanto variables: in fact I don't see any interesting speed improvement in machines with 512MB compared to the same machine with 1024 MB.
First: the disk rotational speed is also important especially in notebooks where Apple only recently is moving from 4200 to 5400RPM. Of course 7200RPM is better as one of the areas in which VPC (and also GuestPC, BTW....) is very slow is disk I/O.
Second: if working with Win XP be sure to have SP2 and SP4 if working with Win 2000. In these two OSs be sure to disable all futile functions such as screen effects and, if you believe it possibile, the analogue of journaling (sorry, I have an Italian version of Win2000 and don't know the English version of the function "Ripristina" but is something that enables you to recover much faster your datas whenever the HD gets corrupted). This may really improve VPCs performance in disk I/O.
VPC runs OK on my 1.25GHz PB. I use it for Word and for running a proprietary app all under w2k. Once you have an app loaded you can type and manipulate things at reasonable speeds. I've even run Monte Carlo calculations at reasonable speeds.
A nice thing about using VPC is that I can quickly cut and past between the windows app and my Mac apps. Also, I can easily make screen shots of the windows app for use in a Mac app. This is very helpful when writing manuals, or presentations.
If I maxed out the RAM to 1.25gb, do you think I'd get good performance?
I'm not sure this is a deal breaker for me, but I"d like to know what I'm getting myself into.
Any other advice you guys have would be apprecited as well.
Thanks!
I have PBG4 1.67 w. 1 gig ram. Performance you get is slow but when you need to log into a web page that does not function with Safari, it is barely acceptable.
If it is not deal breaker then you wont be disappointed but you will not be thrilled.
However, if you are this close to January, don't you want to see if new iBook will have intel chip and maybe run separate windows system?
However, if you are this close to January, don't you want to see if new iBook will have intel chip and maybe run separate windows system? [/B]
Well, I've already bought it, and I was thinking about waiting, but the truth is that I'd rather have the best of old technology than the worst (first...most buggy) of the new.
Honestly, saying an application isn't supported by the Mac is like saying "I can't use the cold-air intake I put into my 98 Accord in my brand new Chevy." With the exception of games, I have never once seen a program that does not have some equivelant on the Mac, and I use the term equivelant loosely as the Macintosh program that is analogous to whatever Windows program you previously used is usually leeps and bounds ahead, in my experience. Go download the demo of Omnigraffle ( http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ ), I like it a LOT better than Visio.
I would also like to add that I run Virtual PC 7 on my Powerbook that only has a single gigabyte of RAM and it runs flawlessly, although I have never tried running any version of Windows on it. I usually just use VPC as a development environment for customized Linux-From-Scratch systems tailored for their users; which I then install on friend's/relative's windows machines when they ask me to fix it from being so slow and crashy on them. I would slim down their Windows installations and clean up their systems if I knew how, but honestly I get lost whenever I'm using Windows. I have been using computers for a long time, I do all sorts of programming from scripting to web development to low-level things, I have even received an award for a project I did in x86 assembly. Despite all of that, my grandmother wanted me to do two things to her computer running windows, make an error stop showing up every time it starts up complaining about autoplay or something (I don't remember, this was a while ago) and remove the AOL accounts from AOL of the previous users and replace them with her's. After three hours of trying, I told her she'd have to live with clicking on that error everytime she restarted her computer, and she'd have to go to guest user on AOL every time she wants to log-in and enter in her username and password
Honestly, saying an application isn't supported by the Mac is like saying "I can't use the cold-air intake I put into my 98 Accord in my brand new Chevy." With the exception of games, I have never once seen a program that does not have some equivelant on the Mac, and I use the term equivelant loosely as the Macintosh program that is analogous to whatever Windows program you previously used is usually leeps and bounds ahead, in my experience. Go download the demo of Omnigraffle ( http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ ), I like it a LOT better than Visio.
Trouble is when you are working in a team that uses Visio, you need compatibility and while OmniGraffe supports Visio XML, it loses a lot of information about the diagrams.
Trouble is when you are working in a team that uses Visio, you need compatibility and while OmniGraffe supports Visio XML, it loses a lot of information about the diagrams.
Ahh, then that would be a problem wouldn't it I'd have a look into ConceptDraw by Odessa, I have never used it but based on the pricetag I'd have to assume it's a lot more comprehensive than either Visio or Omnigraffle It is compatible with both Mac OS X and Windows so if you could get your whole team to switch to it, that would be a perfect solution. They have a demo on their website, give it a try and if you like it tell your co-workers to give it a try too. If you can't convince them to switch, perhaps it is at least compatible enough with Visio to allow you to exchange documents between it and Visio with a minimal amount of information lost. Also, if none of that works for you, I'd suggest you have a look into open source diagramming software such as Dia, DiaCanvas, KChart, XFig, and Kivio. Mac OS X binaries are not always available, but you should at least be able to run them at full speed in X11 after compiling the source. Good luck
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Originally posted by kcmac
.... There are other ways of obtaining this functionality.
Would you mind sharing with us how you would obtain VPC functionality on your PowerBook without VPC?
Lighten up, Francis.
Originally posted by kcmac
Well, you could obtain this functionality by buying a cheap PC...
You're going to take a cheap PC on the plane?
He said you couldn't get this functionality anywhere else. You can with a PC.
I am not promoting getting a PC. I have VPC. (And I think it blows).
Lord. I think the turkey dinners are getting to ya.
Maybe a need a few of these for ya.
Joking.
Joking.
He could also try Guest PC but it really blows. (That's not a joke.) Or it could be if you think Guest PC is a joke but I don't know how you will respond to this one.
delays on moving windows, closing windows... it takes several seconds to load the content of a contextual menu. Opening Firefox lasts around 1 minute.
Hell my brothers brand new Dual Core Dell does that shit with an actual copy of XP so it really IS like running windows.........
First: the disk rotational speed is also important especially in notebooks where Apple only recently is moving from 4200 to 5400RPM. Of course 7200RPM is better as one of the areas in which VPC (and also GuestPC, BTW....) is very slow is disk I/O.
Second: if working with Win XP be sure to have SP2 and SP4 if working with Win 2000. In these two OSs be sure to disable all futile functions such as screen effects and, if you believe it possibile, the analogue of journaling (sorry, I have an Italian version of Win2000 and don't know the English version of the function "Ripristina" but is something that enables you to recover much faster your datas whenever the HD gets corrupted). This may really improve VPCs performance in disk I/O.
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Let me know
Majortom
A nice thing about using VPC is that I can quickly cut and past between the windows app and my Mac apps. Also, I can easily make screen shots of the windows app for use in a Mac app. This is very helpful when writing manuals, or presentations.
Originally posted by jgordner
If I maxed out the RAM to 1.25gb, do you think I'd get good performance?
I'm not sure this is a deal breaker for me, but I"d like to know what I'm getting myself into.
Any other advice you guys have would be apprecited as well.
Thanks!
I have PBG4 1.67 w. 1 gig ram. Performance you get is slow but when you need to log into a web page that does not function with Safari, it is barely acceptable.
If it is not deal breaker then you wont be disappointed but you will not be thrilled.
However, if you are this close to January, don't you want to see if new iBook will have intel chip and maybe run separate windows system?
Originally posted by iAttorney
However, if you are this close to January, don't you want to see if new iBook will have intel chip and maybe run separate windows system? [/B]
Well, I've already bought it, and I was thinking about waiting, but the truth is that I'd rather have the best of old technology than the worst (first...most buggy) of the new.
Originally posted by akheron01
Honestly, saying an application isn't supported by the Mac is like saying "I can't use the cold-air intake I put into my 98 Accord in my brand new Chevy." With the exception of games, I have never once seen a program that does not have some equivelant on the Mac, and I use the term equivelant loosely as the Macintosh program that is analogous to whatever Windows program you previously used is usually leeps and bounds ahead, in my experience. Go download the demo of Omnigraffle ( http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ ), I like it a LOT better than Visio.
Trouble is when you are working in a team that uses Visio, you need compatibility and while OmniGraffe supports Visio XML, it loses a lot of information about the diagrams.
Originally posted by jgordner
Trouble is when you are working in a team that uses Visio, you need compatibility and while OmniGraffe supports Visio XML, it loses a lot of information about the diagrams.
Ahh, then that would be a problem wouldn't it