Having one platform to write to makes it easier, certainly, but that pretty much stops at the driver level. Everything above that, the UI, the consistency (or lack thereof), the apps... all of those are completely independent of the hardware.
MS has many times the resources that Apple does, and could, if they really wanted to, create a system as well thought out and integrated as Apple has... they certainly have the resources to throw people at the drivers like crazy. Where they fall down is *above* the driver level.
The 'whole widget' mantra makes a great marketing hook for Jobs, and a great excuse for MS, but it doesn't really fly in either case once you look at it more closely.
Despite Windows best attempts......all they have is Windows XP with all of its myriad of faults despite numerous updates.
Such as?
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They just can't seem to improve its stability;
Hmm... I have perfect stability on my self-made desktop and Fujitsu laptop over the past 3 years. Never a crash, never a problem. I only reboot when updates to drivers require it.
How can you improve that?
The problem is not OS, it's the hardware and drivers for it. Any OS can be unstable if the drivers are bad. I've my share of that on SGIs years ago.
If you buy brand name hardware, the drivers will be solid - no problem. Buy shitty hardware from some sweatshop and you're dead in the water.
Arguing aside, i have another question to ask if thats ok
I'm aware that OS X is formatted differently, so I was wondering if I would be able to transfer files between Windows & OS X alright?
For example, If I was to type up a html or word document in Notepad / MS Word in Windows, could I simply stick in my USB stick into a mac and it would work ok?
Memory sticks and cd roms have their own file systems, that both operating systems can read with no problems, it's only HDs that create problems, if you want to share HD with both OS's format it in FAT, OSX can read NTFS disks without problem, but cant write to them.
The problem is not OS, it's the hardware and drivers for it. Any OS can be unstable if the drivers are bad. I've my share of that on SGIs years ago.
If you buy brand name hardware, the drivers will be solid - no problem. Buy shitty hardware from some sweatshop and you're dead in the water.
Indeed, I think the most problems and crashes I get out of PCs is when you start downloading stuff off the internet, and also when you get tired of waiting because your PC sucks and is wicked slow when handling Photoshop, IE/Firefox, iTunes, and two windows open at the same time. You usually then open Ctrl+Alt+Del out of sheer frustration. My problem is mostly that my parents don't care for computer performance, so I'm stuck with hardware that doens't suit my needs. I could crash an iBook easy, just by the number of tabs I would open up. Whilst playing iTunes, and having both photoshop and iphoto open at the same time.
Hmm... I have perfect stability on my self-made desktop and Fujitsu laptop over the past 3 years. Never a crash, never a problem. I only reboot when updates to drivers require it.
How can you improve that?
The problem is not OS, it's the hardware and drivers for it.
Guess you're really really special
Windows OS is aproblematic?? Well I never! Guess it begs the question as to why you're using an Apple like the rest of us...
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I could crash an iBook easy, just by the number of tabs I would open up. Whilst playing iTunes, and having both photoshop and iphoto open at the same time.
On Windows XP, all I need to do is scan on photoshop and open up an internet connection and within 20 minutes, horlicks happens. The Powerbook I use doesn't have this degree of fragility: it doesn't crash - I can work confidentally scanning and working, multi-tasking without error messages, screen freezes. Having had 4 different Windows PC systems and only ever used Windows and Linux, it wasn't a light decision which I made to migrate over to the Apple OS.
I'm pleased with the Apple Tiger OS, and please excuse me if I sound slightly incredulous at the amazingly good experiences Windows XP users claim: after so many Microsoft systems for high-level industry work, it doesn't cut the mustard for stability and reliability for me or my work colleagues. It's possible to live with Microsoft - many businesses do. But we have a choice
If you think that is exagerated , you should have been in my office this morning when running AutoCad, the only task my PC at work runs, locked up and stop'ed responding, for the THIRD time this morning.
Guess what, it is a high quality system... XP SP 34321424234234324 Gotta love the restart button...
British slang or colloquialism: "making a horlicks" = "screwing up"; "making a mess".
The reference comes from the sticky guey paste when water is added to the malt drink "Horlicks" (trademark) - sometimes the Horlicks gets so sticky that it makes a mess and sticks to the stirring spoon.
Is this why it took Apple 3 updates to the original release just to fix the major bugs?
I'm guessing Microsoft never had to release any updates for Windows XP, huh? That being said, I've been using Tiger since the day it was released, and never noticed any of these bugs. From what I know they weren't exactly major, mostly minor enhancements and tweaks (managing a network here with about a dozen Mac's and several PC's).
Yup - I'm running Tiger 10.4-something. From your experience of working with industry Macs - are there any problems to look out for?
There are a few. We've had mostly problems integral firewall acting up and interfering with SMB... so MACs can't connect to NT shares on the LAN. MS Office apps crashing much more than they did in 10.3.9. But nothing that one can't fix
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Skatman - I haven't been to the toilet yet today. You really *don't* want to know what I think
lol, yeah i'll probably end up getting one a lot sooner
I suggest you not make any laptop purchases until after Steve's keynote address at MacWorld Sanfrancisco 2006 (MWSF2006) on January 10, 2006. There are rumors of Intel powered iBooks, a revamped Mac mini, not to mention iLife '06 and iWork '06. If Apple is going to start the Intel powered PowerBooks with a 64-bit chip then you might have to wait until the second half of 2006.
A web site you might want to look at is http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ because they list the products Apple sells and the dates they were last updated to help you decide whether to buy now, wait until the next update, or it doesn't matter.
Personally, I am glad I am not making the switch to the Mac right when Apple is switching to Intel chips because of the software dilemma. Those already owning a Mac do not have to worry about Rosetta because future software will either be compiled for PPC or be in universal binary form. It will be a few years before we have to worry about needing an Intel powered Mac to get the latest and greatest software, and by that time all the software currently in use will most likely be in universal binary/Mactel only form. Those who do not have a Mac yet have to decide if they should get a PPC powered Mac now to avoid any glitches or wait for Intel powered Macs which will be faster, duel-cored, etc., but will have to use Rosetta for any non-universal binary application. The applications that would give the most problems (speed and cost) are MS Office, Photoshop, etc. which are massive and not easily replaced like the smaller shareware/freeware apps (Taco HTML, TAG, Disclabel, Solitaire Till Dawn X, etc.) whose updates usually consist of dragging and dropping the newer (updated) version over the older version.
Steve will probably announce that iLife '06 and iWork '06 will be sold as universal binaries.
There are a few. We've had mostly problems integral firewall acting up and interfering with SMB... so MACs can't connect to NT shares on the LAN. MS Office apps crashing much more than they did in 10.3.9. But nothing that one can't fix
Oh I see. I haven't even installed my Apple Office on the laptop yet - I tend to use it more for graphics. The thing I do love about my Apple is its built in bluetooth - so cool being able to use a keyboard and mighty mouse lying upside down on the sofa nibbling breakfast. That's life
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Skatman - I haven't been to the toilet yet today. You really *don't* want to know what I think
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Is that where you most of your thinking?
Actually yes, as a matter of fact! Us British are obsessed with our bowels. We have two toilets in any house (except for those who don't think). Hey I wonder if the powerbook can go there. Er...let's not go there.
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Having one platform to write to makes it easier, certainly, but that pretty much stops at the driver level. Everything above that, the UI, the consistency (or lack thereof), the apps... all of those are completely independent of the hardware.
MS has many times the resources that Apple does, and could, if they really wanted to, create a system as well thought out and integrated as Apple has... they certainly have the resources to throw people at the drivers like crazy. Where they fall down is *above* the driver level.
The 'whole widget' mantra makes a great marketing hook for Jobs, and a great excuse for MS, but it doesn't really fly in either case once you look at it more closely.
Despite Windows best attempts......all they have is Windows XP with all of its myriad of faults despite numerous updates.
Such as?
They just can't seem to improve its stability;
Hmm... I have perfect stability on my self-made desktop and Fujitsu laptop over the past 3 years. Never a crash, never a problem. I only reboot when updates to drivers require it.
How can you improve that?
The problem is not OS, it's the hardware and drivers for it. Any OS can be unstable if the drivers are bad. I've my share of that on SGIs years ago.
If you buy brand name hardware, the drivers will be solid - no problem. Buy shitty hardware from some sweatshop and you're dead in the water.
I'm aware that OS X is formatted differently, so I was wondering if I would be able to transfer files between Windows & OS X alright?
For example, If I was to type up a html or word document in Notepad / MS Word in Windows, could I simply stick in my USB stick into a mac and it would work ok?
thanks
The problem is not OS, it's the hardware and drivers for it. Any OS can be unstable if the drivers are bad. I've my share of that on SGIs years ago.
If you buy brand name hardware, the drivers will be solid - no problem. Buy shitty hardware from some sweatshop and you're dead in the water.
Indeed, I think the most problems and crashes I get out of PCs is when you start downloading stuff off the internet, and also when you get tired of waiting because your PC sucks and is wicked slow when handling Photoshop, IE/Firefox, iTunes, and two windows open at the same time. You usually then open Ctrl+Alt+Del out of sheer frustration. My problem is mostly that my parents don't care for computer performance, so I'm stuck with hardware that doens't suit my needs. I could crash an iBook easy, just by the number of tabs I would open up. Whilst playing iTunes, and having both photoshop and iphoto open at the same time.
Hmm... I have perfect stability on my self-made desktop and Fujitsu laptop over the past 3 years. Never a crash, never a problem. I only reboot when updates to drivers require it.
How can you improve that?
The problem is not OS, it's the hardware and drivers for it.
Guess you're really really special
Windows OS is aproblematic?? Well I never! Guess it begs the question as to why you're using an Apple like the rest of us...
I could crash an iBook easy, just by the number of tabs I would open up. Whilst playing iTunes, and having both photoshop and iphoto open at the same time.
On Windows XP, all I need to do is scan on photoshop and open up an internet connection and within 20 minutes, horlicks happens. The Powerbook I use doesn't have this degree of fragility: it doesn't crash - I can work confidentally scanning and working, multi-tasking without error messages, screen freezes. Having had 4 different Windows PC systems and only ever used Windows and Linux, it wasn't a light decision which I made to migrate over to the Apple OS.
I'm pleased with the Apple Tiger OS, and please excuse me if I sound slightly incredulous at the amazingly good experiences Windows XP users claim: after so many Microsoft systems for high-level industry work, it doesn't cut the mustard for stability and reliability for me or my work colleagues. It's possible to live with Microsoft - many businesses do. But we have a choice
On Windows XP, all I need to do is scan on photoshop and open up an internet connection and within 20 minutes, horlicks happens.
You're making this stuff up.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
You're making this stuff up.
If you think that is exagerated
Guess what, it is a high quality system... XP SP 34321424234234324 Gotta love the restart button...
You're making this stuff up.
I wish! US$2000 on a 17" powermac says I'm not
(you're going to make my mental stress levels soar more than Windows XP.....)
British slang or colloquialism: "making a horlicks" = "screwing up"; "making a mess".
The reference comes from the sticky guey paste when water is added to the malt drink "Horlicks" (trademark) - sometimes the Horlicks gets so sticky that it makes a mess and sticks to the stirring spoon.
http://www.worldwidewords.org/topicalwords/tw-hor1.htm
Even politicians are savvy enough to use the term "horlicks".
You might try some if you can get it in the States - helps with beddie-byes too. Kids love it. Adults too.
I'm off for mine.
Toodles.
Originally posted by skatman
Is this why it took Apple 3 updates to the original release just to fix the major bugs?
I'm guessing Microsoft never had to release any updates for Windows XP, huh? That being said, I've been using Tiger since the day it was released, and never noticed any of these bugs. From what I know they weren't exactly major, mostly minor enhancements and tweaks (managing a network here with about a dozen Mac's and several PC's).
[B]Guess you're really really special
Did you ever doubt this fact?
Windows OS is aproblematic?? Well I never! Guess it begs the question as to why you're using an Apple like the rest of us...
Oh no... there is where you're mistaken. I take care of Macs at work, I don't use them.
systems for high-level industry work, it doesn't cut the mustard for stability and reliability for me or my work colleagues.
I think it's you guys that are really special!
Tiger since the day it was released, and never noticed any of these bugs.
I guess all of those Apple updates are a waste then, because you never noticed anything.
I take it you're still running 10.4.01?
I think it's you guys that are really special!
You know we are! Come one then!! Time for a group hug!!!
(Am I getting into this American idiom the right way?
Yup - I'm running Tiger 10.4-something. From your experience of working with industry Macs - are there any problems to look out for?
Did you ever doubt this fact?
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Windows OS is aproblematic?? Well I never! Guess it begs the question as to why you're using an Apple like the rest of us...
Skatman - I haven't been to the toilet yet today. You really *don't* want to know what I think
Yup - I'm running Tiger 10.4-something. From your experience of working with industry Macs - are there any problems to look out for?
There are a few. We've had mostly problems integral firewall acting up and interfering with SMB... so MACs can't connect to NT shares on the LAN. MS Office apps crashing much more than they did in 10.3.9. But nothing that one can't fix
Skatman - I haven't been to the toilet yet today. You really *don't* want to know what I think
Is that where you most of your thinking?
Originally posted by smclintock
lol, yeah i'll probably end up getting one a lot sooner
I suggest you not make any laptop purchases until after Steve's keynote address at MacWorld Sanfrancisco 2006 (MWSF2006) on January 10, 2006. There are rumors of Intel powered iBooks, a revamped Mac mini, not to mention iLife '06 and iWork '06. If Apple is going to start the Intel powered PowerBooks with a 64-bit chip then you might have to wait until the second half of 2006.
A web site you might want to look at is http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ because they list the products Apple sells and the dates they were last updated to help you decide whether to buy now, wait until the next update, or it doesn't matter.
Personally, I am glad I am not making the switch to the Mac right when Apple is switching to Intel chips because of the software dilemma. Those already owning a Mac do not have to worry about Rosetta because future software will either be compiled for PPC or be in universal binary form. It will be a few years before we have to worry about needing an Intel powered Mac to get the latest and greatest software, and by that time all the software currently in use will most likely be in universal binary/Mactel only form. Those who do not have a Mac yet have to decide if they should get a PPC powered Mac now to avoid any glitches or wait for Intel powered Macs which will be faster, duel-cored, etc., but will have to use Rosetta for any non-universal binary application. The applications that would give the most problems (speed and cost) are MS Office, Photoshop, etc. which are massive and not easily replaced like the smaller shareware/freeware apps (Taco HTML, TAG, Disclabel, Solitaire Till Dawn X, etc.) whose updates usually consist of dragging and dropping the newer (updated) version over the older version.
Steve will probably announce that iLife '06 and iWork '06 will be sold as universal binaries.
There are a few. We've had mostly problems integral firewall acting up and interfering with SMB... so MACs can't connect to NT shares on the LAN. MS Office apps crashing much more than they did in 10.3.9. But nothing that one can't fix
Oh I see. I haven't even installed my Apple Office on the laptop yet - I tend to use it more for graphics. The thing I do love about my Apple is its built in bluetooth - so cool being able to use a keyboard and mighty mouse lying upside down on the sofa nibbling breakfast. That's life
Skatman - I haven't been to the toilet yet today. You really *don't* want to know what I think
Is that where you most of your thinking?
Actually yes, as a matter of fact! Us British are obsessed with our bowels. We have two toilets in any house (except for those who don't think). Hey I wonder if the powerbook can go there. Er...let's not go there.
Originally posted by troberts
I suggest you not make any laptop purchases until after Steve's keynote address at MacWorld Sanfrancisco 2006 (MWSF2006) on January 10, 2006.
A web site you might want to look at is http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
Thanks for that
I wasent planning on getting a Powerbook till the at least easter, but i'd have probably end up getting it in the summer.
I'm not sure when i'll make the big purchase then. I'd really like the best available so I'll definetly be waiting on the new intel Powerbooks.
I guess the only thing to do is now is wait for the keynote speech