Arrested Development is *the* funniest show on television. I just Fox would give it a chance. Seinfeld took about 4 seasons to take off. You would think Fox would know that a show needs some time. But I agree with rok about the DVDs, I'll hear punchlines from month old jokes regularly. It's really a show that needs to be on HBO.
ahh, I love arrested development too. Seinfeld was the same way, making jokes that related to relatively small things in an episode from YEARS before.
Great, more attempts to get me to spend money on media that I can do only one thing with, play on my Mac. Hey, how about letting me burn it to DVD???
Or, i could just get HBO, TV everything, copy it to my mac, burn to DVD, and keep for good.
I got into a discussion with another guy about this. If you use Tivo to go to get your shows to an iPod. You are required to purchase:
Television
Subscribe to cable, rent cable box
Tivo box subscribe to Tivo service
Computer with internet service
iPod
After that you have to go through all the steps of recording a show to Tivo, encoding it to 320x240 video then importing it into your iPod.
With iTunes you are required to purchase:
Computer with internet service
iPod
Show at $1.99 each
The other thing too is if Tivo ever became a wide mass market device guaranteed television studios would have litigation. They would want control over what could happen with shows recorded off of Tivo. They would never approve of the wide use of a technology that took control of their content totally out of their hands.
The way Apple is doing this could prove beneficial in a couple of ways. One important way is to show content providers that consumers can responsibly own content on their hard drive and still be profitable.
This could help encourage studios in the future to allow downloading of DVD material on to hard drives and burning of material from hard drive to DVD.
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i'd like episodes of arrested development on the store for download. fox may be less likely to cancel good shows if they're bringing in alternate value like that. then again
The rumor is that Fox is going to let Arrested Development go. The good news is that a couple of cable networks are showing interest in picking up the show. I guess that?s bad if you don?t have cable, but its good because the cable environment is less demanding and more supportive of shows like Arrested Development.
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Arrested Development is *the* funniest show on television. I just Fox would give it a chance. Seinfeld took about 4 seasons to take off. You would think Fox would know that a show needs some time.
We no longer live in that environment where television studios or record companies will give talent a chance to develop and flourish. They are owned by wall street conglomerates and need a huge return on investment now.
We no longer live in that environment where television studios or record companies will give talent a chance to develop and flourish. They are owned by wall street conglomerates and need a huge return on investment now. [/B]
That's also because people have shorter attention spans. Look at where culture has gone. Everything has to be fast, cut from this, cut from that. The MTV generation, remember?
Look at the comedies of the '50's and '60's. There were laughs, but the story wasn't *funny* the way it has to be today. The same thing with drama. There has to be an *event* every time before a commercial, or people lose interest.
Everything has to be fast, cut from this, cut from that. The MTV generation, remember?
That's true, but its because media has programmed people to have shorter attention spans.
It has been shown and proven with ratings and awards that people will sit and watch a slower pace story when there is good compelling content.
Fast cutting and short attention absolves the creator of actually having to tell a good story.
For the past ten years American sitcom writing has lived off of a concept called "like a laugh". Where they condition the audience to find a certain situation funny. After that all writer has to do was write the over all skeleton of that funny situation, they are able to plug it into various different circumstances, and people will find it funny becasue they've been conditioned to find it funny.
That saves the writer from actually having to write something funny.
Over the past three to four years though I think they've used that up and people aren't watching sitcoms as much anymore, thank goodness.
The same with music these days.
Most music now is dependend on a heavy rhythmic beat. It doesn't matter what the singer is saying, it doesn't really matter who sings it. People will dance to the beat.
Hopfully at some point the general audience will tire of this and we'll be able to move on to something else.
That's true, but its because media has programmed people to have shorter attention spans.
It has been shown and proven with ratings and awards that people will sit and watch a slower pace story when there is good compelling content.
Fast cutting and short attention absolves the creator of actually having to tell a good story.
For the past ten years American sitcom writing has lived off of a concept called "like a laugh". Where they condition the audience to find a certain situation funny. After that all writer has to do was write the over all skeleton of that funny situation, they are able to plug it into various different circumstances, and people will find it funny becasue they've been conditioned to find it funny.
That saves the writer from actually having to write something funny.
Over the past three to four years though I think they've used that up and people aren't watching sitcoms as much anymore, thank goodness.
The same with music these days.
Most music now is dependend on a heavy rhythmic beat. It doesn't matter what the singer is saying, it doesn't really matter who sings it. People will dance to the beat.
Hopfully at some point the general audience will tire of this and we'll be able to move on to something else.
I'm not encouraged in that.
I don't blame the producers. They give the people what they want.
As much as I listen to it myself, the beginning of this, in music at least, started with rock and roll. It knocked longer more complex musical forms out of the public consciousness. I remember when I was a kid in the '60's that Classical music has a 25% marketshare of music sold. Now it's about 2%.
When I've asked people why they don't listen to that, and to jazz, the response I've gotten is that it's too much trouble. People have to understand it a bit before they can appreciate it.
Money. Always money. Actors contracts, advertizing agreements, profit sharing between local stations and the network. I could go on from there.
Do you think that Apple doesn't WANT to sell to everyone across the world?
If Job's could snap his fingers, and all of a sudden, every file that he wants to sell became available, and everywhere around the world contracts were settled, he would have them up in a flash.
I hear ya, deep down I already know that I just wish it wouldn't take so long!
That's also because people have shorter attention spans. Look at where culture has gone. Everything has to be fast, cut from this, cut from that. The MTV generation, remember?
Look at the comedies of the '50's and '60's. There were laughs, but the story wasn't *funny* the way it has to be today. The same thing with drama. There has to be an *event* every time before a commercial, or people lose interest.
Gentle shows no longer have much of a chance.
And yet Arrested Development, a show which epitomizes fast cuts and one joke after another in rapid, rapid sequence, gets crappy ratings.
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Originally posted by theapplegenius
Arrested Development is *the* funniest show on television. I just Fox would give it a chance. Seinfeld took about 4 seasons to take off. You would think Fox would know that a show needs some time. But I agree with rok about the DVDs, I'll hear punchlines from month old jokes regularly. It's really a show that needs to be on HBO.
ahh, I love arrested development too. Seinfeld was the same way, making jokes that related to relatively small things in an episode from YEARS before.
Great, more attempts to get me to spend money on media that I can do only one thing with, play on my Mac. Hey, how about letting me burn it to DVD???
Or, i could just get HBO, TV everything, copy it to my mac, burn to DVD, and keep for good.
I got into a discussion with another guy about this. If you use Tivo to go to get your shows to an iPod. You are required to purchase:
Television
Subscribe to cable, rent cable box
Tivo box subscribe to Tivo service
Computer with internet service
iPod
After that you have to go through all the steps of recording a show to Tivo, encoding it to 320x240 video then importing it into your iPod.
With iTunes you are required to purchase:
Computer with internet service
iPod
Show at $1.99 each
The other thing too is if Tivo ever became a wide mass market device guaranteed television studios would have litigation. They would want control over what could happen with shows recorded off of Tivo. They would never approve of the wide use of a technology that took control of their content totally out of their hands.
The way Apple is doing this could prove beneficial in a couple of ways. One important way is to show content providers that consumers can responsibly own content on their hard drive and still be profitable.
This could help encourage studios in the future to allow downloading of DVD material on to hard drives and burning of material from hard drive to DVD.
i'd like episodes of arrested development on the store for download. fox may be less likely to cancel good shows if they're bringing in alternate value like that. then again
The rumor is that Fox is going to let Arrested Development go. The good news is that a couple of cable networks are showing interest in picking up the show. I guess that?s bad if you don?t have cable, but its good because the cable environment is less demanding and more supportive of shows like Arrested Development.
Arrested Development is *the* funniest show on television. I just Fox would give it a chance. Seinfeld took about 4 seasons to take off. You would think Fox would know that a show needs some time.
We no longer live in that environment where television studios or record companies will give talent a chance to develop and flourish. They are owned by wall street conglomerates and need a huge return on investment now.
Originally posted by TenoBell
We no longer live in that environment where television studios or record companies will give talent a chance to develop and flourish. They are owned by wall street conglomerates and need a huge return on investment now. [/B]
That's also because people have shorter attention spans. Look at where culture has gone. Everything has to be fast, cut from this, cut from that. The MTV generation, remember?
Look at the comedies of the '50's and '60's. There were laughs, but the story wasn't *funny* the way it has to be today. The same thing with drama. There has to be an *event* every time before a commercial, or people lose interest.
Gentle shows no longer have much of a chance.
Everything has to be fast, cut from this, cut from that. The MTV generation, remember?
That's true, but its because media has programmed people to have shorter attention spans.
It has been shown and proven with ratings and awards that people will sit and watch a slower pace story when there is good compelling content.
Fast cutting and short attention absolves the creator of actually having to tell a good story.
For the past ten years American sitcom writing has lived off of a concept called "like a laugh". Where they condition the audience to find a certain situation funny. After that all writer has to do was write the over all skeleton of that funny situation, they are able to plug it into various different circumstances, and people will find it funny becasue they've been conditioned to find it funny.
That saves the writer from actually having to write something funny.
Over the past three to four years though I think they've used that up and people aren't watching sitcoms as much anymore, thank goodness.
The same with music these days.
Most music now is dependend on a heavy rhythmic beat. It doesn't matter what the singer is saying, it doesn't really matter who sings it. People will dance to the beat.
Hopfully at some point the general audience will tire of this and we'll be able to move on to something else.
Originally posted by TenoBell
That's true, but its because media has programmed people to have shorter attention spans.
It has been shown and proven with ratings and awards that people will sit and watch a slower pace story when there is good compelling content.
Fast cutting and short attention absolves the creator of actually having to tell a good story.
For the past ten years American sitcom writing has lived off of a concept called "like a laugh". Where they condition the audience to find a certain situation funny. After that all writer has to do was write the over all skeleton of that funny situation, they are able to plug it into various different circumstances, and people will find it funny becasue they've been conditioned to find it funny.
That saves the writer from actually having to write something funny.
Over the past three to four years though I think they've used that up and people aren't watching sitcoms as much anymore, thank goodness.
The same with music these days.
Most music now is dependend on a heavy rhythmic beat. It doesn't matter what the singer is saying, it doesn't really matter who sings it. People will dance to the beat.
Hopfully at some point the general audience will tire of this and we'll be able to move on to something else.
I'm not encouraged in that.
I don't blame the producers. They give the people what they want.
As much as I listen to it myself, the beginning of this, in music at least, started with rock and roll. It knocked longer more complex musical forms out of the public consciousness. I remember when I was a kid in the '60's that Classical music has a 25% marketshare of music sold. Now it's about 2%.
When I've asked people why they don't listen to that, and to jazz, the response I've gotten is that it's too much trouble. People have to understand it a bit before they can appreciate it.
Look how movies have changed as well.
Originally posted by melgross
Money. Always money. Actors contracts, advertizing agreements, profit sharing between local stations and the network. I could go on from there.
Do you think that Apple doesn't WANT to sell to everyone across the world?
If Job's could snap his fingers, and all of a sudden, every file that he wants to sell became available, and everywhere around the world contracts were settled, he would have them up in a flash.
I hear ya, deep down I already know that I just wish it wouldn't take so long!
Originally posted by melgross
That's also because people have shorter attention spans. Look at where culture has gone. Everything has to be fast, cut from this, cut from that. The MTV generation, remember?
Look at the comedies of the '50's and '60's. There were laughs, but the story wasn't *funny* the way it has to be today. The same thing with drama. There has to be an *event* every time before a commercial, or people lose interest.
Gentle shows no longer have much of a chance.
And yet Arrested Development, a show which epitomizes fast cuts and one joke after another in rapid, rapid sequence, gets crappy ratings.
I wonder why that is? Seriously, I do.
Originally posted by Flounder
And yet Arrested Development, a show which epitomizes fast cuts and one joke after another in rapid, rapid sequence, gets crappy ratings.
I wonder why that is? Seriously, I do.
That's why the people who do the programming get the big bucks.