My gut reaction to the ad was "That's pretty damn snotty." It reminded me of the original iMac commercials and the intel bashing ads of that era. They made me hate Macs when I didn't really have any experience with them outside of the crappy ones in our school computer lab. Advertising that makes its point by bashing the competitors has always rubbed me the wrong way. I hope this ad doesn't turn people off who otherwise would've loved to buy one.
i agree. the macheads at the conference were pleased -- though apple already has their business.
i have to say also that intel is really being a very good sport, esspecially since apple makes up less than 10% of their current business.
Look, they dont need advertising at this moment, they have a few weeks of residuals in periodicals, they have print ads and undoubtedly another burst as reviewers get the units, so they really willnot need intel advertising untill mid-Feb...and there is this little thing called the SuperBowl...
haha great point. i just wish the ad was better -- im not sure if all the people who own PC's and are watching the superbowl will be energized to look into a mac after being told their PCs are boring. I mean i talked to "computer people" in Florida who didnt know what a registry or linux are -- i dont think the stick will work with an idiot.
have the people in bunny suits watch the wafer go up like it was going somewhere speacial
C) would have any stock footage made within the last 3 years -- why bother, people know what intel is and what they do
if i was a stockholder id dump their stock if thats footage they show me of their internal operations... sitting around staring at wafers -- man their employees are lazy, get back to freaking work slaves.
have the people in bunny suits watch the wafer go up like it was going somewhere speacial
This is where I disagree. I didn´t feel that the footage was made to correspond to the script. If the theme was "to set it free" they could have much better clips.
This is where I disagree. I didn´t feel that the footage was made to correspond to the script. If the theme was "to set it free" they could have much better clips.
oh I didnt make the original post.
and i dont know what a dp is, but ill head over to acronym finder in a sec.
update: its either Dew Point or Double Penetration
Guys, Intel owns Apple when it comes to the company size etc, not vice-versa. I agree, the Apple ad sucks and makes Intel look bad.
I didn't get that at all.
The message was 'Intel chips are great but they've been held back by dull hardware and dull software - now they aren't'.
It was certainly cheeky indirectly bashing both PC's and their software (ie Microsoft) and Apple claiming to be Intel's saviour from their other customers. It was intended to make Dell, HP, Compaq etc look bad, not Intel.
I can't imagine Michael Dell losing much sleep over the mild ribbing Apple gave though.
In what way? There's nothing as fast as the Core Duo available for laptops and low power desktops like the iMac that can touch it. Sure, a top end G5, Opteron or X2 are faster than a Core Duo but you can't stick those in a laptop or iMac.
In what way? There's nothing as fast as the Core Duo available for laptops and low power desktops like the iMac that can touch it. Sure, a top end G5, Opteron or X2 are faster than a Core Duo but you can't stick those in a laptop or iMac.
My comment was mostly concerning desktops, i concede that currently intel are ahead in mobile. However consider that the centrino has been out for years and AMD has really only been focusing on the desktop market until recently, so i believe they have catch up room/time as they shift focus.
With regard to Desktops though, Even Intel's just released chips came in short against the unrevamped Q3 line of AMD 64 Dual Cores (esspecially in preformance/watt).
I would surely put my faith in AMD over Intel as far as desktops are concerned for the next year and *cough cough* powermacs are also scheduled this year.
My comment was mostly concerning desktops, i concede that currently intel are ahead in mobile. However consider that the centrino has been out for years and AMD has really only been focusing on the desktop market until recently, so i believe they have catch up room/time as they shift focus.
That sounds like AMD have suddenly realized that Laptop sales are eclipsing desktop sales, which doesn't bode well for their business nowse. I'm sure they aren't that stupid but you don't build a new platform like Centrino overnight. Intel will continue to push ahead. AMD are in catchup there.
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Originally posted by mike12309
With regard to Desktops though, Even Intel's just released chips came in short against the unrevamped Q3 line of AMD 64 Dual Cores (esspecially in preformance/watt).
No debate there. I've three Opteron 244 servers and a dual Xeon. I know which ones are the best.
Intel's desktop chips are still the old technology. When we get a new 'PowerMac' it'll be new technology. The question therefore is, Can Intel produce faster desktop chips than AMD at the end of this year?
I suspect they can. The one fly in the ointment is Intel's FSB technology which is way behind AMD and the G5 for that matter.
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Originally posted by mike12309
I would surely put my faith in AMD over Intel as far as desktops are concerned for the next year and *cough cough* powermacs are also scheduled this year.
I think it'll be a close run race. But will they be faster than the Quad G5 - that's the question bearing in mind that's faster than almost everything but the fastest Opteron Quads.
I think it'll be a close run race. But will they be faster than the Quad G5 - that's the question bearing in mind that's faster than almost everything but the fastest Opteron Quads.
cooling might be an issue though if intel doesnt really break from their current cores and come up with something much improved. I mean the high end dual cores were hitting 55-70C (idle to full load) on their dual cores in a THG benchtest about 2 months ago. Like you said, you cant make a great platform overnight.
If you knew how incredibly hard it is to light the scenes used in that ad, you wouldn't think it was stock footage. White, white on white, black, metals, mirrored surfaces, highlights....
It's some nice photography...
I'll dig up the credits.
Something about it made me think of Director Chris Cunningham's music video for Bjork's "All Is Full of Love" although that is CG based (It'll fool you). Again, white, black, metal, etc. A still from it is on the cover of a DVD compilation of his work. Stills from the video are here.
Anyway... ending your post by taking a stab at the quality of the photography in their commercial comes off as a cheap shot.
Today's Core Duo chips are merely a preview for Intel in 2006.
I'm an AMD fan myself, but the benchmarks and power consumption details for Yonah seem pretty clear. They're roughly competitive with AMD's top of the line (slightly under in most tests), but Core Duo clearly has more juice per watt.
It'll get more interesting with the Conroe and Merom revisions to come. AMD has no specific answer on tap. They'll continue to be performance competitive and possible the leader, but the power/heat gap may widen.
Comments
Originally posted by hankx32
thats hilarious, and yet true! Jobs rules!
Jobs should thank his lucky stars for Intel, and I'm absolutely certain he's not as ungrateful as a number of the posters have made him out to be.
He's a businessman, #1.
Originally posted by TednDi
I wonder if Apple will make Intel brand all of its chips with
Inside a MAC!
Welcome to working with Apple guys!! Get used to it!!
I love this!
Originally posted by Guartho
My gut reaction to the ad was "That's pretty damn snotty." It reminded me of the original iMac commercials and the intel bashing ads of that era. They made me hate Macs when I didn't really have any experience with them outside of the crappy ones in our school computer lab. Advertising that makes its point by bashing the competitors has always rubbed me the wrong way. I hope this ad doesn't turn people off who otherwise would've loved to buy one.
i agree. the macheads at the conference were pleased -- though apple already has their business.
i have to say also that intel is really being a very good sport, esspecially since apple makes up less than 10% of their current business.
Originally posted by a_greer
Its a trap!
Look, they dont need advertising at this moment, they have a few weeks of residuals in periodicals, they have print ads and undoubtedly another burst as reviewers get the units, so they really willnot need intel advertising untill mid-Feb...and there is this little thing called the SuperBowl...
haha great point. i just wish the ad was better -- im not sure if all the people who own PC's and are watching the superbowl will be energized to look into a mac after being told their PCs are boring. I mean i talked to "computer people" in Florida who didnt know what a registry or linux are -- i dont think the stick will work with an idiot.
Originally posted by Anders
The clips from the lab looked more or less like stock film.
Looked like stock film ! ? !
Are you a DP? Do you know what a DP is?
Jeez...
Originally posted by GordonComstock
Looked like stock film ! ? !
Are you a DP? Do you know what a DP is?
Jeez...
Do you have an argument?
Originally posted by Anders
Do you have an argument?
i have doubts that intel stock footage would:
A) be so clean
C) would have any stock footage made within the last 3 years -- why bother, people know what intel is and what they do
if i was a stockholder id dump their stock if thats footage they show me of their internal operations... sitting around staring at wafers -- man their employees are lazy, get back to freaking work slaves.
Originally posted by mike12309
This is where I disagree. I didn´t feel that the footage was made to correspond to the script. If the theme was "to set it free" they could have much better clips.
Originally posted by Anders
Thanks
This is where I disagree. I didn´t feel that the footage was made to correspond to the script. If the theme was "to set it free" they could have much better clips.
oh I didnt make the original post.
and i dont know what a dp is, but ill head over to acronym finder in a sec.
update: its either Dew Point or Double Penetration
BTW: http://www.popzoot.tv/streamframe.php3?id=850
Originally posted by dacloo
Guys, Intel owns Apple when it comes to the company size etc, not vice-versa. I agree, the Apple ad sucks and makes Intel look bad.
no the commercial makes apple look bad. benchmarks make intel look bad.
Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
Steve is laughing "I got him to come out in a bunny suit"
Come on.... They didn't set him on fire too.
Originally posted by dacloo
Guys, Intel owns Apple when it comes to the company size etc, not vice-versa. I agree, the Apple ad sucks and makes Intel look bad.
I didn't get that at all.
The message was 'Intel chips are great but they've been held back by dull hardware and dull software - now they aren't'.
It was certainly cheeky indirectly bashing both PC's and their software (ie Microsoft) and Apple claiming to be Intel's saviour from their other customers. It was intended to make Dell, HP, Compaq etc look bad, not Intel.
I can't imagine Michael Dell losing much sleep over the mild ribbing Apple gave though.
Originally posted by mike12309
benchmarks make intel look bad.
In what way? There's nothing as fast as the Core Duo available for laptops and low power desktops like the iMac that can touch it. Sure, a top end G5, Opteron or X2 are faster than a Core Duo but you can't stick those in a laptop or iMac.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
In what way? There's nothing as fast as the Core Duo available for laptops and low power desktops like the iMac that can touch it. Sure, a top end G5, Opteron or X2 are faster than a Core Duo but you can't stick those in a laptop or iMac.
My comment was mostly concerning desktops, i concede that currently intel are ahead in mobile. However consider that the centrino has been out for years and AMD has really only been focusing on the desktop market until recently, so i believe they have catch up room/time as they shift focus.
With regard to Desktops though, Even Intel's just released chips came in short against the unrevamped Q3 line of AMD 64 Dual Cores (esspecially in preformance/watt).
I would surely put my faith in AMD over Intel as far as desktops are concerned for the next year and *cough cough* powermacs are also scheduled this year.
edit: or was it next year? ops ^.^
Originally posted by mike12309
My comment was mostly concerning desktops, i concede that currently intel are ahead in mobile. However consider that the centrino has been out for years and AMD has really only been focusing on the desktop market until recently, so i believe they have catch up room/time as they shift focus.
That sounds like AMD have suddenly realized that Laptop sales are eclipsing desktop sales, which doesn't bode well for their business nowse. I'm sure they aren't that stupid but you don't build a new platform like Centrino overnight. Intel will continue to push ahead. AMD are in catchup there.
Originally posted by mike12309
With regard to Desktops though, Even Intel's just released chips came in short against the unrevamped Q3 line of AMD 64 Dual Cores (esspecially in preformance/watt).
No debate there. I've three Opteron 244 servers and a dual Xeon. I know which ones are the best.
Intel's desktop chips are still the old technology. When we get a new 'PowerMac' it'll be new technology. The question therefore is, Can Intel produce faster desktop chips than AMD at the end of this year?
I suspect they can. The one fly in the ointment is Intel's FSB technology which is way behind AMD and the G5 for that matter.
Originally posted by mike12309
I would surely put my faith in AMD over Intel as far as desktops are concerned for the next year and *cough cough* powermacs are also scheduled this year.
I think it'll be a close run race. But will they be faster than the Quad G5 - that's the question bearing in mind that's faster than almost everything but the fastest Opteron Quads.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
I think it'll be a close run race. But will they be faster than the Quad G5 - that's the question bearing in mind that's faster than almost everything but the fastest Opteron Quads.
cooling might be an issue though if intel doesnt really break from their current cores and come up with something much improved. I mean the high end dual cores were hitting 55-70C (idle to full load) on their dual cores in a THG benchtest about 2 months ago. Like you said, you cant make a great platform overnight.
Originally posted by Anders
Do you have an argument?
If you knew how incredibly hard it is to light the scenes used in that ad, you wouldn't think it was stock footage. White, white on white, black, metals, mirrored surfaces, highlights....
It's some nice photography...
I'll dig up the credits.
Something about it made me think of Director Chris Cunningham's music video for Bjork's "All Is Full of Love" although that is CG based (It'll fool you). Again, white, black, metal, etc. A still from it is on the cover of a DVD compilation of his work. Stills from the video are here.
Anyway... ending your post by taking a stab at the quality of the photography in their commercial comes off as a cheap shot.
gc
I'm an AMD fan myself, but the benchmarks and power consumption details for Yonah seem pretty clear. They're roughly competitive with AMD's top of the line (slightly under in most tests), but Core Duo clearly has more juice per watt.
It'll get more interesting with the Conroe and Merom revisions to come. AMD has no specific answer on tap. They'll continue to be performance competitive and possible the leader, but the power/heat gap may widen.