Would you want revenge?
If a man came into your house and executed your family infront of your eyes, would you want revenge? If you were in a room alone with them after the fact what would you do?
Would you get revenge or would you say to yourself "It wont bring my family back and its moraly wrong...God will have his way, it's not my job."
Think seriously about this one, and go with what u would really do... be honest.
Would you get revenge or would you say to yourself "It wont bring my family back and its moraly wrong...God will have his way, it's not my job."
Think seriously about this one, and go with what u would really do... be honest.
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If I had a gun in my hand I would probably kill them and feel miserable the rest of my life.
Would I be right? Probably not.
Would I pull the trigger? Absolutely.
Would I feel that my lack of ability to forgive is a moral failing? Probably.
Could I live with that? Yes.
Nick
That's said, if I witnessed such thing in front of my eye I will kill him.
I pray to never have the real question to this strange question. In fact nobody should have to answer such questions
I hope.
--Romans 12:17-19
It's the State's job to administer Justice. Outside of that, God is quite able to administer any "vengeance" necessary. The sin would not be against you, or the people killed, it would be against God.
Sorry for the sermon, but people get themselves in trouble when they attempt to 'settle scores', or 'get even'.
Originally posted by dmz
"Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
--Romans 12:17-19
It's the State's job to administer Justice. Outside of that, God is quite able to administer any "vengeance" necessary. The sin would not be against you, or the people killed, it would be against God.
Sorry for the sermon, but people get themselves in trouble when they attempt to 'settle scores', or 'get even'.
DMZ is just saying whats PC
Originally posted by Cato988
DMZ is just saying whats PC
Originally posted by BR
So, I take it you should be all for rehab and if no rehab can be done then keeping them away from society...in other words, against the death penalty, right dmz?
No, not at all -- I have never understood how life imprisonment could be considered humane -- especially as it's carried out in the country. Gangs, homosexual gang rape, extreme violence, being deprived of family, etc., is not humane. We are effectively destroying people at a thousand times the pace capital punishment would. The American penal system is a horrifingly cheap, feel-good way for the populace at large to throw away people like they were garbage --- and then forget about them.
Fine them, kill them, or let them go.
Originally posted by dmz
"Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
--Romans 12:17-19
It's the State's job to administer Justice. Outside of that, God is quite able to administer any "vengeance" necessary. The sin would not be against you, or the people killed, it would be against God.
Sorry for the sermon, but people get themselves in trouble when they attempt to 'settle scores', or 'get even'.
What Cato discribed is a situation where you are filled with the greatest rage possible. In this state I will kill him, otherwise I won't. I would not commit a cold revenge, unless justice do not do it's job.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
What Cato discribed is a situation where you are filled with the greatest rage possible. In this state I will kill him, otherwise I won't. I would not commit a cold revenge, unless justice do not do it's job.
Are you suggesting that in the state described, you would be unable to control your response?
Originally posted by dmz
No, not at all -- I have never understood how life imprisonment could be considered humane -- especially as it's carried out in the country. Gangs, homosexual gang rape, extreme violence, being deprived of family, etc., is not humane. We are effectively destroying people at a thousand times the pace capital punishment would. The American penal system is a horrifingly cheap, feel-good way for the populace at large to throw away people like they were garbage --- and then forget about them.
Fine them, kill them, or let them go.
You heartless bastard!
Originally posted by Powerdoc
What Cato discribed is a situation where you are filled with the greatest rage possible. In this state I will kill him, otherwise I won't. I would not commit a cold revenge, unless justice do not do it's job.
I know it would be hard -- maybe even impossible to resist, but for me to commit murder myself, even under durest, would mean a lack of Faith.
Another thing -- this question could apply to the little things in everyday life. How often to we try to 'get even' and it get's us in trouble? The whole issue of "revenge" versus "justice" needs to be rethought.
The whole idea of Redemption has been replaced with 'payback' -- I think in many, many cases, that criminals offered redemption, through restitution, etc. -- something that was truly humane -- would turn out for the best.
(But we still have to shoot Ken Lay.)
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
Using the morals of the New Testament as a personal mirror for your own actions towards your fellow man is. Using the Old Testament as anything like a science guide to how the world was created, how life came around and how it all will end and mixing it up with politics is not.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
Are you suggesting that in the state described, you would be unable to control your response?
I guess so, but I don't really want to know ...
In real life I am cold blooded, but like everybody I have my limits. I never entered in fight with someone in my entire life, but what is discribed here is really disturbing.
Think at the movie Seven, in the end the policeman is mad, and even he knows he should not kill the serial killer, who played with him like a puppet, he has no other choice to do what the serial killer wanted he do : kill him.
Originally posted by dmz
I know it would be hard -- maybe even impossible to resist, but for me to commit murder myself, even under durest, would mean a lack of Faith.
Another thing -- this question could apply to the little things in everyday life. How often to we try to 'get even' and it get's us in trouble? The whole issue of "revenge" versus "justice" needs to be rethought.
The whole idea of Redemption has been replaced with 'payback' -- I think in many, many cases, that criminals offered redemption, through restitution, etc. -- something that was truly humane -- would turn out for the best.
(But we still have to shoot Ken Lay.)
As I said in my previous post, revenge will not help. Even after revenge the pain will still be here : nothing will give me back my family.
BTW I will sick justice, in memory of the beloved ones. And justice for me, is a nice trial.
I wouldn't kill the asshole. I would make him suffer everyday of his life from then on...
Originally posted by dmz
I know it would be hard -- maybe even impossible to resist, but for me to commit murder myself, even under durest, would mean a lack of Faith.
Another thing -- this question could apply to the little things in everyday life. How often to we try to 'get even' and it get's us in trouble? The whole issue of "revenge" versus "justice" needs to be rethought.
The whole idea of Redemption has been replaced with 'payback' -- I think in many, many cases, that criminals offered redemption, through restitution, etc. -- something that was truly humane -- would turn out for the best.
(But we still have to shoot Ken Lay.)
So do you feel this applies to nations as well as individuals?
For instance, we are in the process of hunting down alleged al Qaeda members and blowing them up, even if that means blowing up some of their compatriots.
This seems to be generally approved of as representing "justice' for 9/11, although it would appear that a generalized sprit of "vengeance" makes it easier to overlook any little details like "due process", "collateral damage", or "consequences".
And I don't mean to make this about 9/11 and its aftermath; that's just a convenient example. Nations indulge in tit for tat killing all the time.
Are they going against God's will, as you see it?
Originally posted by addabox
So do you feel this applies to nations as well as individuals?
No, it can't -- at some point you have to have the 'health of the community' in view, so at some point the focus has to shift. Paul in Romans mentions that [the Roman] rulers were 'ordained' 'to restrain evil'. We can't imprison or fine people on a personal level, either.
Originally posted by addabox
For instance, we are in the process of hunting down alleged al Qaeda members and blowing them up, even if that means blowing up some of their compatriots.
This seems to be generally approved of as representing "justice' for 9/11, although it would appear that a generalized sprit of "vengeance" makes it easier to overlook any little details like "due process", "collateral damage", or "consequences".
And I don't mean to make this about 9/11 and its aftermath; that's just a convenient example. Nations indulge in tit for tat killing all the time.
Are they going against God's will, as you see it?
It worked for for 10 weeks in Yugoslavia 1999, why not for AQ? -- seriously, though, if starving 500,000 children to death over nonexistent WMD is okay, then inadvertently killing 13 people pales in comparison. I don't see it as breaking decades of precedence. The 'tender mercies" of 'progress' -- whether of the UN or America -- can be pretty grisly.