Apple is legally allowed to do what they are doing. This is a meritless, "sour grapes" suit. I will be quite surprised to find it succeed.
"With respect to the "tying" allegations, the judge said Slattery was claiming Apple forces people who own iPods to buy music online only from iTunes and also forces iTunes customers to buy iPods to play the music they purchase."
Neither of these is true. You can use music from your CD collection on your iPod. And you can burn music CDs (or play through iTunes on your computer) music purchased from iTMS.
P.S. I also won't be surprised to find MS hiding in the closet behind this suit somewhere. They play dirty.
I don't know. The article says that this isn't the only suit going foward. He finds that there is enough to allow the case to move to the next level.
There has been some concern that this would happen. The question was when.
I'm not sure that they can win either, but you know, stranger things have happened.
It depends upon how it is presented.
But then, I never expected Apple to lose the battery suit either. We'll see how that does upon appeal.
Or the record labels, although they should be content with existing iTunes sales.
Given the supposed high margins and practically non existent per-unit expenses on their part, they should be very content. Still, I think they wouldn't mind selling direct to cut iTMS out.
I'm not really sure of my position on this. While I like iPods, one of the many reasons I still stick to buying used and new CDs for personal ripping is that I get the flexibility in terms of devices and being able to resell the disc if I don't like it.
lets use the MS precedent. you need 95% market share.. go apple go
to make the shuffle even more relevent....how about making it U3 compatible, allowing us to carry a browser, email etc and allow us to plug into any computer to use it..,have a mini osx riding on this bad boy....why not. talk about an explosive halo effect.
I think Apple is getting to the point where the top end of their iPod line is going to "evaporate" for most of the market. It seems to have been whithering away slowly anyway. Who on earth really has 60GB worth of music? OK...some folks do. Now, after those 1,000 have bought their iPods, why does anyone else need one that big? Well...in comes video. But portable video is a small market. An Apple iTMS+TiVO+Netflix-ish thing has got to be their next big play to generate growth.
I think you're probably right about movie distribution. And that is a huge reason why larger capacity iPods will be (and are) in demand in the future. Now that I'm getting into ripping my DVDs onto my comp (not something I ever did before I got my 60GB ipod), I've used up my original 60GB HD on my PMac (it was almost full anyway) and almost another full 160GB drive. I'm now hoping I can last until the HD companies figure out this next gen perpendicular tech and prices for 500GB HD start falling. A year ago, I never thought I'd ever ever fill up my 160GB drive!!!
But you're wrong about the big iPods. I am not what you'd call an audiophile, but I have almost 37GB of music, audiobooks, and lectures (Teaching Company). Even just counting music, I have about 28GB, and my wife and I honestly buy about 4-5 albums a year. (We used to each buy more in college.) I loved my shuffle (until my car got broken into and it was stolen from my glove box). And I'll probably get a new one now (like others have said, for working out).
Apple has already sold a good 5 million 5G iPods. They sold surprisingly well, taking sales away from the Nano.
I don't think the sales are going to shrink. If anything, the opposite will occur.
Maybe I got caught up in the vs. mode (I don't think so, but maybe, I don't remember) but I agree that there are plenty of reasons to get the full sized iPod. I want one, but I can't justify it yet. I like the nano for its physical size and weight for day to day listening. The 5G unit would be a portable media jukebox, but not something I can justify for daily driving and work.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the number of 5Gs sold might exceed the number of PSPs sold, despite the head start that PSPs had.
Maybe I got caught up in the vs. mode (I don't think so, but maybe, I don't remember) but I agree that there are plenty of reasons to get the full sized iPod. I want one, but I can't justify it yet. I like the nano for its physical size and weight for day to day listening. The 5G unit would be a portable media jukebox, but not something I can justify for daily driving and work.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the number of 5Gs sold might exceed the number of PSPs sold, despite the head start that PSPs had.
So far, Sony has sold over 10 million PSP's. I don't have later numbers, so it's likely more than that now.
I have heard/read just the opposite. That nano is the best selling of the whole family.
The Nano is the bset selling catagory. I didn't say that it wasn't. But the 5G has been out for more than a month this quarter as well. It was widely reported last quarter, and Apple confermed it, that the 6G took some sales away from the Nano, and sold much better than was anticipated. It is thought that Apple sold possibly 8 to 9 million Nano's last quarter. Remember that there was a shortage, for a while. It's thought that they may have sold as many as 4 million 5G's. The 1GB Shuffle went out of stock early, and didn't come back until mid January. Apple has likely sold several million iPods already this quarter. A third can easily be 5G's again. If so, that would be another million, or so.
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Unless there is something new (e.g., video...even that is limited I think) to compel the need for larger capacities, I disagree.
Well, of course, viseo. That's why people are calling it the "video" iPod.
That's also why Apple has now sold over 12 million video's. That's why more content providers are joining Apple's bandwagon.
You don't really think people are buying these video's just to watch them on their computers?
i've never seen a shuffle up close or handled one (the apple site isn't that helpful)....soooo
what's the slide switch on the back for.... i thought it played all songs randomly, can you let it play your list in sequence and then select random.....ok ok stop laughing but the only place to see one is to know someone or an apple store which is 120 miles away in columbus, oh no one around here has one that i know (most of my friends have the nano or 3-4-5 g ipod)
what's the slide switch on the back for.... i thought it played all songs randomly, can you let it play your list in sequence and then select random.....ok ok stop laughing but
The slider is a poorly built switch that selects between off, linear play and shuffle. At least that's the idea. My sister has one and likes it but the slider switch is hard to slide.
I can't help but think that Apple had other plans for the shuffle, but they fell through. As a replacement idea, they put a 1GB nano out there and dropped the shuffle price.
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Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
Apple is legally allowed to do what they are doing. This is a meritless, "sour grapes" suit. I will be quite surprised to find it succeed.
"With respect to the "tying" allegations, the judge said Slattery was claiming Apple forces people who own iPods to buy music online only from iTunes and also forces iTunes customers to buy iPods to play the music they purchase."
Neither of these is true. You can use music from your CD collection on your iPod. And you can burn music CDs (or play through iTunes on your computer) music purchased from iTMS.
P.S. I also won't be surprised to find MS hiding in the closet behind this suit somewhere. They play dirty.
I don't know. The article says that this isn't the only suit going foward. He finds that there is enough to allow the case to move to the next level.
There has been some concern that this would happen. The question was when.
I'm not sure that they can win either, but you know, stranger things have happened.
It depends upon how it is presented.
But then, I never expected Apple to lose the battery suit either. We'll see how that does upon appeal.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
P.S. I also won't be surprised to find MS hiding in the closet behind this suit somewhere. They play dirty.
Or the record labels, although they should be content with existing iTunes sales.
Originally posted by Xool
Or the record labels, although they should be content with existing iTunes sales.
Given the supposed high margins and practically non existent per-unit expenses on their part, they should be very content. Still, I think they wouldn't mind selling direct to cut iTMS out.
I'm not really sure of my position on this. While I like iPods, one of the many reasons I still stick to buying used and new CDs for personal ripping is that I get the flexibility in terms of devices and being able to resell the disc if I don't like it.
to make the shuffle even more relevent....how about making it U3 compatible, allowing us to carry a browser, email etc and allow us to plug into any computer to use it..,have a mini osx riding on this bad boy....why not. talk about an explosive halo effect.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
I think Apple is getting to the point where the top end of their iPod line is going to "evaporate" for most of the market. It seems to have been whithering away slowly anyway. Who on earth really has 60GB worth of music? OK...some folks do. Now, after those 1,000 have bought their iPods, why does anyone else need one that big? Well...in comes video. But portable video is a small market. An Apple iTMS+TiVO+Netflix-ish thing has got to be their next big play to generate growth.
I think you're probably right about movie distribution. And that is a huge reason why larger capacity iPods will be (and are) in demand in the future. Now that I'm getting into ripping my DVDs onto my comp (not something I ever did before I got my 60GB ipod), I've used up my original 60GB HD on my PMac (it was almost full anyway) and almost another full 160GB drive. I'm now hoping I can last until the HD companies figure out this next gen perpendicular tech and prices for 500GB HD start falling. A year ago, I never thought I'd ever ever fill up my 160GB drive!!!
But you're wrong about the big iPods. I am not what you'd call an audiophile, but I have almost 37GB of music, audiobooks, and lectures (Teaching Company). Even just counting music, I have about 28GB, and my wife and I honestly buy about 4-5 albums a year. (We used to each buy more in college.) I loved my shuffle (until my car got broken into and it was stolen from my glove box). And I'll probably get a new one now (like others have said, for working out).
I don't think the sales are going to shrink. If anything, the opposite will occur.
Originally posted by melgross
Apple has already sold a good 5 million 5G iPods. They sold surprisingly well, taking sales away from the Nano.
I don't think the sales are going to shrink. If anything, the opposite will occur.
Maybe I got caught up in the vs. mode (I don't think so, but maybe, I don't remember) but I agree that there are plenty of reasons to get the full sized iPod. I want one, but I can't justify it yet. I like the nano for its physical size and weight for day to day listening. The 5G unit would be a portable media jukebox, but not something I can justify for daily driving and work.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the number of 5Gs sold might exceed the number of PSPs sold, despite the head start that PSPs had.
Originally posted by melgross
Apple has already sold a good 5 million 5G iPods. They sold surprisingly well, taking sales away from the Nano.
I have heard/read just the opposite. That nano is the best selling of the whole family.
Originally posted by melgross
I don't think the sales are going to shrink. If anything, the opposite will occur.
Unless there is something new (e.g., video...even that is limited I think) to compel the need for larger capacities, I disagree.
Originally posted by JeffDM
Maybe I got caught up in the vs. mode (I don't think so, but maybe, I don't remember) but I agree that there are plenty of reasons to get the full sized iPod. I want one, but I can't justify it yet. I like the nano for its physical size and weight for day to day listening. The 5G unit would be a portable media jukebox, but not something I can justify for daily driving and work.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that the number of 5Gs sold might exceed the number of PSPs sold, despite the head start that PSPs had.
So far, Sony has sold over 10 million PSP's. I don't have later numbers, so it's likely more than that now.
Originally posted by melgross
So far, Sony has sold over 10 million PSP's. I don't have later numbers, so it's likely more than that now.
What I read was that Sony shipped 10M PSPs. That doesn't mean sold, IIRC, a lot of them are collecting dust in warehouses and store shelves.
Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
I have heard/read just the opposite. That nano is the best selling of the whole family.
The Nano is the bset selling catagory. I didn't say that it wasn't. But the 5G has been out for more than a month this quarter as well. It was widely reported last quarter, and Apple confermed it, that the 6G took some sales away from the Nano, and sold much better than was anticipated. It is thought that Apple sold possibly 8 to 9 million Nano's last quarter. Remember that there was a shortage, for a while. It's thought that they may have sold as many as 4 million 5G's. The 1GB Shuffle went out of stock early, and didn't come back until mid January. Apple has likely sold several million iPods already this quarter. A third can easily be 5G's again. If so, that would be another million, or so.
Unless there is something new (e.g., video...even that is limited I think) to compel the need for larger capacities, I disagree.
Well, of course, viseo. That's why people are calling it the "video" iPod.
That's also why Apple has now sold over 12 million video's. That's why more content providers are joining Apple's bandwagon.
You don't really think people are buying these video's just to watch them on their computers?
Originally posted by JeffDM
What I read was that Sony <i>shipped</i> 10M PSPs. That doesn't mean sold, IIRC, a lot of them are collecting dust in warehouses and store shelves.
No, sold. Probably 12 million by now.
i've never seen a shuffle up close or handled one (the apple site isn't that helpful)....soooo
what's the slide switch on the back for.... i thought it played all songs randomly, can you let it play your list in sequence and then select random.....ok ok stop laughing but the only place to see one is to know someone or an apple store which is 120 miles away in columbus, oh no one around here has one that i know (most of my friends have the nano or 3-4-5 g ipod)
stop laughing
Originally posted by NOFEER
what's the slide switch on the back for.... i thought it played all songs randomly, can you let it play your list in sequence and then select random.....ok ok stop laughing but
The slider is a poorly built switch that selects between off, linear play and shuffle. At least that's the idea. My sister has one and likes it but the slider switch is hard to slide.