Why not? The dev docs mention converting altivec code to sse 2 or 3.
link?
i guess maxxuss, one of the leading hackers on the x86 project, seem to waste a lot of time trying to emulate sse3 on sse2-only capable cpus if this is a non-issue...
Entry level laptops on the PC side, sometimes priced up to $2000, typically have integrated graphics. Personally, I think Apple may well put the Core Duo in the iBook (or MacBook, whatever it will be called), and differentiate it in the same way PC manufacturers do: integrated graphics.
That will keep the price down, still deliver a lot of performance, while at the same time also differentiating the product lines.
It's what PC makers have been doing for years, so why not Apple? I think that's the way things are going.
Edit: I wonder, is the MacBook Pro the first computer (laptop or desktop) that Apple has shipped with 1GB of graphics? At least the higher end model.
Edit: I wonder, is the MacBook Pro the first computer (laptop or desktop) that Apple has shipped with 1GB of graphics? At least the higher end model.
1GB of graphics? WTF are you talking about?
Also, Apple has never done integrated graphics and I wouldn't expect them to start soon. Using the high end X1600 in the MBP's makes it feasible to put something like an X600 in their consumer notebook. I'm not saying they would do this, but it doesn't make sense to have a powerhouse like the MBP with a top of the line GPU and then a consumer laptop with integrated graphics. I really can't see this happening.
I don't see why Apple will do anything with core duo processors in the iBook until the 64 bit laptop cpu (merom) is available from Intel for the MacBook Pro, thus leaving a clear space for the yonah 32 bit dual core cpu in the iBook. Nothing else will really have saimilar performance to current iBook configurations, same for the Mac Mini. Myself i am vastly disappointed with Apple for putting a 32 bit dual core cpu in an iMac would prefer a 64 bit processor (Conroe) in there as the G5 was. Frankly the lack of software available for the MacBook/iMac as well as the current chipsets leaves me waiting and upgrading existing PowerPC hardware until ther software I want is available in universal binary form.
I hope that Apple uses the Dual Core for the MacBook (iBook). A couple of you guys said that Apple might use the dual core for a smaller MacBook Pro. I had heard rumors that they weren't going to make a small Pro notebook. Maybe we will see more choices in the MacBook(ibook) models to suppliment the lack of a small pro notebook.
Someone also said something about aluminum cases for the iBook replacements. Probably not going to happen. The white iBook can be spotted a mile away. People are familiar with it, and so I don't think that they will do away with the white housing. I also doubt that they will build one in black. Just because its cool on the iPod doesn't mean that it will work for the iBook.
And someone posted about a MacBook Nano. Never. Apple's small notebooks are about as small as they want them to be and still retain the amount of functionallity Apple demands. There's my 2 cents. Spend wisely.
Entry level laptops on the PC side, sometimes priced up to $2000, typically have integrated graphics. Personally, I think Apple may well put the Core Duo in the iBook (or MacBook, whatever it will be called), and differentiate it in the same way PC manufacturers do: integrated graphics.
Depends on if Apple have ported Intel integrated graphics drivers to OSX. So far they've only got ATI and Nvidia.
I will NOT buy a Celeron ANYthing and do not recommend it to others. Celerons are crap processors IMHO. I only PRAY Apple never puts a Celeron in ANYthing they sell. But there's just no telling really with Apple, and while I'm on the subject Steve Jobs reality distortion field should be really named smoke and mirrors or merely be honest and call it Bull chips. Sory Steve your current intel processors are not enough to make me plunk down money when I can order a 2ghz G4 cpu (gigadesigns.com) upgrade for 400 dollars for a sawtooth tower. Oh and a nice radeon 9800 pro with 256 mb ram for about 260 more. The dollar difference while a slightly slower computer makes up for anything Apple is currently offering from the Intel side due to a lack of software available to run natively. 4 port usb 2 cards are 30-40 dollars.....Further, suppose you get a scrambled directory there is NO disk utility i know of runs under Mac Intel. SAVE your money people Macintel ain't ready for prime time YET.
I personally think that a consumer notebook should come with a 15" screen. For a lot of people this will be their one and only computer and want some more screen space.
I will NOT buy a Celeron ANYthing and do not recommend it to others. Celerons are crap processors IMHO. I only PRAY Apple never puts a Celeron in ANYthing they sell.
a celeron-m 4x0 in the ibook would make it a cheap, low-power and plenty fast machine. why would you not want that?
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Originally posted by gar
so?
is it a drop in replacement?
It doesn't have to be. The differences between the pinout of a Celeron and a Core can be worked around in an afternoon's CAD session
i wish APPLE compare the products againts the PC world not againt with in its product...
i donot see a problem in Duo in MacBook knowing that merom will be available in June and will be droped in MacBook Pro
Originally posted by aegisdesign
It doesn't have to be. The differences between the pinout of a Celeron and a Core can be worked around in an afternoon's CAD session
still, the dothan-celeron (celeron-m 3x0) doesnt support sse3.
i dont think apple would release a macintel without rosetta and itunes support.
(and i dont think apple will patch rosetta to support sse2)
Originally posted by tubgirl
still, the dothan-celeron (celeron-m 3x0) doesnt support sse3.
i dont think apple would release a macintel without rosetta and itunes support.
(and i dont think apple will patch rosetta to support sse2)
Why not? The dev docs mention converting altivec code to sse 2 or 3.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
Why not? The dev docs mention converting altivec code to sse 2 or 3.
link?
i guess maxxuss, one of the leading hackers on the x86 project, seem to waste a lot of time trying to emulate sse3 on sse2-only capable cpus if this is a non-issue...
Originally posted by aegisdesign
The Celeron M was released the same time as the Core.
No it wasn't. A Celeron version of Yonah isn't being released until Q2.
That will keep the price down, still deliver a lot of performance, while at the same time also differentiating the product lines.
It's what PC makers have been doing for years, so why not Apple? I think that's the way things are going.
Edit: I wonder, is the MacBook Pro the first computer (laptop or desktop) that Apple has shipped with 1GB of graphics? At least the higher end model.
Originally posted by Robin Hood
Edit: I wonder, is the MacBook Pro the first computer (laptop or desktop) that Apple has shipped with 1GB of graphics? At least the higher end model.
1GB of graphics? WTF are you talking about?
Also, Apple has never done integrated graphics and I wouldn't expect them to start soon. Using the high end X1600 in the MBP's makes it feasible to put something like an X600 in their consumer notebook. I'm not saying they would do this, but it doesn't make sense to have a powerhouse like the MBP with a top of the line GPU and then a consumer laptop with integrated graphics. I really can't see this happening.
I hope that Apple uses the Dual Core for the MacBook (iBook). A couple of you guys said that Apple might use the dual core for a smaller MacBook Pro. I had heard rumors that they weren't going to make a small Pro notebook. Maybe we will see more choices in the MacBook(ibook) models to suppliment the lack of a small pro notebook.
Someone also said something about aluminum cases for the iBook replacements. Probably not going to happen. The white iBook can be spotted a mile away. People are familiar with it, and so I don't think that they will do away with the white housing. I also doubt that they will build one in black. Just because its cool on the iPod doesn't mean that it will work for the iBook.
And someone posted about a MacBook Nano. Never. Apple's small notebooks are about as small as they want them to be and still retain the amount of functionallity Apple demands. There's my 2 cents. Spend wisely.
Originally posted by Telomar
No it wasn't. A Celeron version of Yonah isn't being released until Q2.
I didn't claim it was based on the Yonah. There's nothing particularly wrong with the current Dothan based Celeron M.
Originally posted by Robin Hood
Entry level laptops on the PC side, sometimes priced up to $2000, typically have integrated graphics. Personally, I think Apple may well put the Core Duo in the iBook (or MacBook, whatever it will be called), and differentiate it in the same way PC manufacturers do: integrated graphics.
Depends on if Apple have ported Intel integrated graphics drivers to OSX. So far they've only got ATI and Nvidia.
Originally posted by shanmugam
i donot see a problem in Duo in MacBook knowing that merom will be available in June and will be droped in MacBook Pro
actually Intel has pushed back the Merom release to the end of the year shipping, and should see it in computers early next year.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02...oadmap_feb_06/
Originally posted by aegisdesign
Depends on if Apple have ported Intel integrated graphics drivers to OSX. So far they've only got ATI and Nvidia.
the developer machines ran OSX and only had intel integrated video by default.
I'm wishing for a 15" ibook.
It just makes sense, people. Who is going to pay $1299 for an ibook with HALF the performance of a $1499 macbook?
Originally posted by applewiz
SAVE your money people Macintel ain't ready for prime time YET.
Well, my brand new 20" core duo iMac shure feels and operates like a prime time machine to me 8)
Originally posted by applewiz
I will NOT buy a Celeron ANYthing and do not recommend it to others. Celerons are crap processors IMHO. I only PRAY Apple never puts a Celeron in ANYthing they sell.
a celeron-m 4x0 in the ibook would make it a cheap, low-power and plenty fast machine. why would you not want that?