For the Finder? Just now went to the Finder, help menu, "Mac help". Typed "Finder shortcuts" into the search field, selected "Shortcuts for the Finder" and presto! There's loads of them...
Everyone's so fast at bring fast user switching up when people start talking about MS stealing Apple ideas...but it's always *that* exact example and never any other example. Think about it for a sec.
This still bugs me as well. I hate hitting CMD+O to open a folder or program. I should only have to hit Enter, like every other OS I've ever used in a 25 year period.
Um.. command-O was from the original Mac. To rename on early Mac OS you just had to click the icon once and type - unfortunately a lot of people wound up with files renamed "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" from the cat walking on the keyboard, so Apple changed rename to click .... click or click-return/enter.
If enter did Open, how would you do Rename? Don't tell me you want a Contextual Menu item for that - it makes a modal situation.
LOL -whenever Finder Shortcuts come up, it's always the most surprising thing and people are delighted to find out about them. Apple needs to make these more prominent - they've been around since at least System 7.
LOL -whenever Finder Shortcuts come up, it's always the most surprising thing and people are delighted to find out about them. Apple needs to make these more prominent - they've been around since at least System 7.
What does that tell us about the GUI in general?
What does that tell us about overall intuitive grasp?
On the other hand people are in general pretty lazy
to discover something new. They used to stick with
the same, especially when drifting from the windows
What does that tell us about overall intuitive grasp?
Keep in mind Apple's OS is designed not to overwhelm novice users. Us advanced types know what command-p, command-s, and right clicking does. To some people the keyboard and mouse are two entirely different beasts and redundancy is difficult to teach. I know first hand, I taught some staff and teachers how to use their computers in my 4 years of high school.
Keep in mind Apple's OS is designed not to overwhelm novice users. Us advanced types know what command-p, command-s, and right clicking does. To some people the keyboard and mouse are two entirely different beasts and redundancy is difficult to teach. I know first hand, I taught some staff and teachers how to use their computers in my 4 years of high school.
Hate to piss in anyone's wheaties but Spotlight comes from BeOS which makes sense since the engineer who developed it for BeOS is the one who developed Spotlight and no, Indexing in Win98 isn't what they are discussing.
Yes, the BeOS gent came over to Apple, but Apple had Sherlock at the same time BeOS was being worked on and marketed. Be was even started by several Apple guys, Jean-Louis Gassée at the head.
What does that tell us about overall intuitive grasp?
It tells us they are quite strong. That the graphic metaphors chosen are easily grasped and simple to operate. So easy and so simple that most people have not felt the need for significantly faster shortcuts. No great widespread pressing need means the shortcuts stay in a niche for powerusers and occasional tinkerers.
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Originally posted by RolandG
Great hint! Is there a place that lists more?
For the Finder? Just now went to the Finder, help menu, "Mac help". Typed "Finder shortcuts" into the search field, selected "Shortcuts for the Finder" and presto! There's loads of them...
Originally posted by Tag Me Back
Encrypted File System Introduced in Windows 2000
Fast user switching Intoduced in the XP tweeks package
Indexed content searching Win 98 I think
Time Zones... Win 3.1, 3.0?
But of course they hadn't been given stupid apple-like names way back then... Ahhhggg the persecution I suffer as a mac user....
If apple is so great, who cares what windows does to catch up?
Fast User Switching was in XP a good year or two before it ever came to the Mac, albeit without the cube effect.
Originally posted by Placebo
Fast User Switching was in XP a good year or two before it ever came to the Mac, albeit without the cube effect.
I wouldn't say it was 'fast' either.
Originally posted by RolandG
Great hint! Is there a place that lists more?
yes indeed, my vivid brain is a fierce place - of top of my head.
[couldn'd resist]
Originally posted by Tag Me Back
Encrypted File System Introduced in Windows 2000
Fast user switching Intoduced in the XP tweeks package
Indexed content searching Win 98 I think
Time Zones... Win 3.1, 3.0?
But of course they hadn't been given stupid apple-like names way back then... Ahhhggg the persecution I suffer as a mac user....
If apple is so great, who cares what windows does to catch up?
Time Zones... System 7 if I remember right
Indexed content searching System 8 Sherlock (1997)
Originally posted by PBG4 Dude
This still bugs me as well. I hate hitting CMD+O to open a folder or program. I should only have to hit Enter, like every other OS I've ever used in a 25 year period.
Um.. command-O was from the original Mac. To rename on early Mac OS you just had to click the icon once and type - unfortunately a lot of people wound up with files renamed "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" from the cat walking on the keyboard, so Apple changed rename to click .... click or click-return/enter.
If enter did Open, how would you do Rename? Don't tell me you want a Contextual Menu item for that - it makes a modal situation.
Originally posted by RolandG
Great hint! Is there a place that lists more?
LOL -whenever Finder Shortcuts come up, it's always the most surprising thing and people are delighted to find out about them. Apple needs to make these more prominent - they've been around since at least System 7.
Originally posted by lundy
LOL -whenever Finder Shortcuts come up, it's always the most surprising thing and people are delighted to find out about them. Apple needs to make these more prominent - they've been around since at least System 7.
What does that tell us about the GUI in general?
What does that tell us about overall intuitive grasp?
On the other hand people are in general pretty lazy
to discover something new. They used to stick with
the same, especially when drifting from the windows
side. (couldn't resist)
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
What does that tell us about the GUI in general?
What does that tell us about overall intuitive grasp?
Keep in mind Apple's OS is designed not to overwhelm novice users. Us advanced types know what command-p, command-s, and right clicking does. To some people the keyboard and mouse are two entirely different beasts and redundancy is difficult to teach. I know first hand, I taught some staff and teachers how to use their computers in my 4 years of high school.
Originally posted by Ebby
Keep in mind Apple's OS is designed not to overwhelm novice users. Us advanced types know what command-p, command-s, and right clicking does. To some people the keyboard and mouse are two entirely different beasts and redundancy is difficult to teach. I know first hand, I taught some staff and teachers how to use their computers in my 4 years of high school.
Well convinced easily this time.
Encrypted filesystems long pre-date Windows 2000.
Times zones have been in Unix for decades.
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
What does that tell us about the GUI in general?
What does that tell us about overall intuitive grasp?
It tells us they are quite strong. That the graphic metaphors chosen are easily grasped and simple to operate. So easy and so simple that most people have not felt the need for significantly faster shortcuts. No great widespread pressing need means the shortcuts stay in a niche for powerusers and occasional tinkerers.