When OS 9 was carried off stage in a coffin, did that not send a clear message to its future support?
I use both, since contrary to popular opinion, the rest of the world does not have access to the best and newest hardware and software.
I just recently finished a 4 year stint working with Chinese manufacturers, and for the great majority of the time I have been stuck working with apps in OS9 on my G4 because they use older systems. I have been using OSX on my G5 for other more progressive clients. However, for expensive apps that I could not afford to upgrade to OSX, they stay on 9.
A simple CAD app still works a hell of a lot smoother on OS9 than on X. I don't care who says otherwise.
Mail is kind of...bad...on Tiger. Spotlight searching kind of...doesn't really work. Like I'll type in the word excellence, which was in an email a few days ago, and nothing shows up. Umm yeah...yeeaaah...And those buttons, man are they stupid.
Finishing Safari and iChat would be kind of nice too. They both kind...aren't really at 1.0 yet. More like .9 or 1.0 Public Beta. They are kind of...not done. Yet.
I use both, since contrary to popular opinion, the rest of the world does not have access to the best and newest hardware and software.
I just recently finished a 4 year stint working with Chinese manufacturers, and for the great majority of the time I have been stuck working with apps in OS9 on my G4 because they use older systems. I have been using OSX on my G5 for other more progressive clients. However, for expensive apps that I could not afford to upgrade to OSX, they stay on 9.
A simple CAD app still works a hell of a lot smoother on OS9 than on X. I don't care who says otherwise.
Then the CAD developers better get to porting their application.
Racoon is used to support VPNs (virtual private networks) using the IPSEC standard. The other common VPN protocol used is Microsoft's PPTP.
Thanks for the info, cjr...and thank you, mdriftmeyer. I had never heard the term before...I had also assumed it was just another typo (amongst all the other) and started searching for 'raccoon networking' instead of 'racoon'.
Mail is kind of...bad...on Tiger. Spotlight searching kind of...doesn't really work. Like I'll type in the word excellence, which was in an email a few days ago, and nothing shows up. Umm yeah...yeeaaah...And those buttons, man are they stupid.
Finishing Safari and iChat would be kind of nice too. They both kind...aren't really at 1.0 yet. More like .9 or 1.0 Public Beta. They are kind of...not done. Yet.
I would sort of agree with the Mail stuff. I only use Mail and really like it. The one thing that drives me crazy about it (besides the buttons) is that if it hangs up, there is no way to cancel it other than force quit. It will just beachball forever...
This usually happens to me when I log into a hotel wireless connection. The hotel connection may make me sign in with user name and password, etc. During this time, Mail notices I have a connection and starts to connect, only it can't because I am still trying to get the hotel connection to agree to let me on.
Beachball city in Mail. Usually force quit and start all over.
I search for things in the Mail search box vs. in Spotlight and all seems well for me there.
I think Leopard is where we will see the button changes and things that matter. These dot updates won't do any of that.
Like I'll type in the word excellence, which was in an email a few days ago, and nothing shows up.
Puzzled me too until I realized that you have to select the location of where to search - the buttons along the top of the message list that only appear AFTER you entered your search term. If you are looking for a message in the Sent box and you have Inbox selected on those buttons, you'll get a blank results list. Spotlight does the same thing.
Puzzled me too until I realized that you have to select the location of where to search - the buttons along the top of the message list that only appear AFTER you entered your search term. If you are looking for a message in the Sent box and you have Inbox selected on those buttons, you'll get a blank results list. Spotlight does the same thing.
No, no. When someone sends an email to my yahoo acc. (fast)
Mail is 3x slower at least, sometimes 10x.
And on sending mail.............don't get me started.
No, no. When someone sends an email to my yahoo acc. (fast)
Mail is 3x slower at least, sometimes 10x.
And on sending mail.............don't get me started.
I know they recently hired one of the IMAP gods (Cyrus Daboo, of Mulberry fame) so perhaps that will improve some of the architectural reasons for the network problems. (I don't think Mail is so slow, but YMMV.) I'm sure they won't let Cyrus near the UI, in case you were worrying
I've also heard it mentioned that CoreFoundation's SSL support is quite slow, though this was in the context of a comparison between Safari and possibly Firefox and not Mail. But that would impact any other app using CoreFoundation for SSL networking, like Mail.
I hope they address Flash and Macromedia plug-in issues. I need to download the plug-ins for Flash development and cannot get to them due to the Macromedia site not recognizing my Intel Mac. Hopefully some adjustments to Rosetta will help this issue until it is fixed by Adobe.
Racoon is used to support VPNs (virtual private networks) using the IPSEC standard. The other common VPN protocol used is Microsoft's PPTP.
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
Thanks for the info, cjr...and thank you, mdriftmeyer. I had never heard the term before...I had also assumed it was just another typo (amongst all the other) and started searching for 'raccoon networking' instead of 'racoon'.
I second this! Raccoon networking was new to me too, and I know a lot!
I know they recently hired one of the IMAP gods (Cyrus Daboo, of Mulberry fame) so perhaps that will improve some of the architectural reasons for the network problems.
Ahh, that's very interesting (to me anyway). Where'd you hear that news, if you can say? I'm pleased since I was suggesting Apple hire him shortly after the ISAMET/Cyrusoft bankruptcy announcement. Now there's tangible hope that some of Mulberry's better features and ideas will have influence on future versions of Apple Mail.
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(I don't think Mail is so slow, but YMMV.) I'm sure they won't let Cyrus near the UI, in case you were worrying
I have a hunch he'd be glad not to.
Now I'm inspired to send a bunch of overdue requests for Mail. The drain-bamaged message threading has been particularly irritating lately.
Ahh, that's very interesting (to me anyway). Where'd you hear that news, if you can say?
A colleague of mine is active in the IETF particularly in the IMAP/SIEVE area, so he knows Cyrus.
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I'm pleased since I was suggesting Apple hire him shortly after the ISAMET/Cyrusoft bankruptcy announcement. Now there's tangible hope that some of Mulberry's better features and ideas will have influence on future versions of Apple Mail.
Mulberry was a very good IMAP client, may it RIP. The UI was a little clunky, but it was very network efficient. At the time I used it, it was also the only decent client for Linux...
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It would be nice to fix OS 9 support.
When OS 9 was carried off stage in a coffin, did that not send a clear message to its future support?
Originally posted by TenoBell
When OS 9 was carried off stage in a coffin, did that not send a clear message to its future support?
I use both, since contrary to popular opinion, the rest of the world does not have access to the best and newest hardware and software.
I just recently finished a 4 year stint working with Chinese manufacturers, and for the great majority of the time I have been stuck working with apps in OS9 on my G4 because they use older systems. I have been using OSX on my G5 for other more progressive clients. However, for expensive apps that I could not afford to upgrade to OSX, they stay on 9.
A simple CAD app still works a hell of a lot smoother on OS9 than on X. I don't care who says otherwise.
Finishing Safari and iChat would be kind of nice too. They both kind...aren't really at 1.0 yet. More like .9 or 1.0 Public Beta. They are kind of...not done. Yet.
Originally posted by SpamSandwich
I use both, since contrary to popular opinion, the rest of the world does not have access to the best and newest hardware and software.
I just recently finished a 4 year stint working with Chinese manufacturers, and for the great majority of the time I have been stuck working with apps in OS9 on my G4 because they use older systems. I have been using OSX on my G5 for other more progressive clients. However, for expensive apps that I could not afford to upgrade to OSX, they stay on 9.
A simple CAD app still works a hell of a lot smoother on OS9 than on X. I don't care who says otherwise.
Then the CAD developers better get to porting their application.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
What's raccoon networking, precioussss, what's raccoon networking?
Racoon is used to support VPNs (virtual private networks) using the IPSEC standard. The other common VPN protocol used is Microsoft's PPTP.
Originally posted by cjr
Racoon is used to support VPNs (virtual private networks) using the IPSEC standard. The other common VPN protocol used is Microsoft's PPTP.
Thanks for the info, cjr...and thank you, mdriftmeyer. I had never heard the term before...I had also assumed it was just another typo (amongst all the other) and started searching for 'raccoon networking' instead of 'racoon'.
Originally posted by Aquatic
Mail is kind of...bad...on Tiger. Spotlight searching kind of...doesn't really work. Like I'll type in the word excellence, which was in an email a few days ago, and nothing shows up. Umm yeah...yeeaaah...And those buttons, man are they stupid.
Finishing Safari and iChat would be kind of nice too. They both kind...aren't really at 1.0 yet. More like .9 or 1.0 Public Beta. They are kind of...not done. Yet.
I would sort of agree with the Mail stuff. I only use Mail and really like it. The one thing that drives me crazy about it (besides the buttons) is that if it hangs up, there is no way to cancel it other than force quit. It will just beachball forever...
This usually happens to me when I log into a hotel wireless connection. The hotel connection may make me sign in with user name and password, etc. During this time, Mail notices I have a connection and starts to connect, only it can't because I am still trying to get the hotel connection to agree to let me on.
Beachball city in Mail. Usually force quit and start all over.
I search for things in the Mail search box vs. in Spotlight and all seems well for me there.
I think Leopard is where we will see the button changes and things that matter. These dot updates won't do any of that.
What is causing problems? Multiplying with 23?
Originally posted by Anders
Anyone had stability issues with...Calculator?
What is causing problems? Multiplying with 23?
Heh. There was a longish period last year when it couldn't successfully download the current exchange rates. Maybe they're making that more robust.
During the same period, Panther's calculator crashed trying to get the updates, so Tiger's calculator is already a bit more stable
Originally posted by speed_the_collapse
If your concerns about Mail have to do with the security flaw, just download the latest security update. It fixes Mail and Safari.
No I don't think about security at all, never had any problems and always update!
My concern is the speed and efficiency of 'Mail', hence why I said it needs a kick up the arse!
Like I'll type in the word excellence, which was in an email a few days ago, and nothing shows up.
Puzzled me too until I realized that you have to select the location of where to search - the buttons along the top of the message list that only appear AFTER you entered your search term. If you are looking for a message in the Sent box and you have Inbox selected on those buttons, you'll get a blank results list. Spotlight does the same thing.
Originally posted by lundy
Puzzled me too until I realized that you have to select the location of where to search - the buttons along the top of the message list that only appear AFTER you entered your search term. If you are looking for a message in the Sent box and you have Inbox selected on those buttons, you'll get a blank results list. Spotlight does the same thing.
No, no. When someone sends an email to my yahoo acc. (fast)
Mail is 3x slower at least, sometimes 10x.
And on sending mail.............don't get me started.
Originally posted by Ireland
No, no. When someone sends an email to my yahoo acc. (fast)
Mail is 3x slower at least, sometimes 10x.
And on sending mail.............don't get me started.
I know they recently hired one of the IMAP gods (Cyrus Daboo, of Mulberry fame) so perhaps that will improve some of the architectural reasons for the network problems. (I don't think Mail is so slow, but YMMV.) I'm sure they won't let Cyrus near the UI, in case you were worrying
I've also heard it mentioned that CoreFoundation's SSL support is quite slow, though this was in the context of a comparison between Safari and possibly Firefox and not Mail. But that would impact any other app using CoreFoundation for SSL networking, like Mail.
Originally posted by cjr
Racoon is used to support VPNs (virtual private networks) using the IPSEC standard. The other common VPN protocol used is Microsoft's PPTP.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Thanks for the info, cjr...and thank you, mdriftmeyer. I had never heard the term before...I had also assumed it was just another typo (amongst all the other) and started searching for 'raccoon networking' instead of 'racoon'.
I second this! Raccoon networking was new to me too, and I know a lot!
Originally posted by cjr
I know they recently hired one of the IMAP gods (Cyrus Daboo, of Mulberry fame) so perhaps that will improve some of the architectural reasons for the network problems.
Ahh, that's very interesting (to me anyway). Where'd you hear that news, if you can say? I'm pleased since I was suggesting Apple hire him shortly after the ISAMET/Cyrusoft bankruptcy announcement. Now there's tangible hope that some of Mulberry's better features and ideas will have influence on future versions of Apple Mail.
(I don't think Mail is so slow, but YMMV.) I'm sure they won't let Cyrus near the UI, in case you were worrying
I have a hunch he'd be glad not to.
Now I'm inspired to send a bunch of overdue requests for Mail. The drain-bamaged message threading has been particularly irritating lately.
Originally posted by sjk
Ahh, that's very interesting (to me anyway). Where'd you hear that news, if you can say?
A colleague of mine is active in the IETF particularly in the IMAP/SIEVE area, so he knows Cyrus.
I'm pleased since I was suggesting Apple hire him shortly after the ISAMET/Cyrusoft bankruptcy announcement. Now there's tangible hope that some of Mulberry's better features and ideas will have influence on future versions of Apple Mail.
Mulberry was a very good IMAP client, may it RIP. The UI was a little clunky, but it was very network efficient. At the time I used it, it was also the only decent client for Linux...