All I know is I'm not too fond of the gap, and even with iTunes and no gap with the window at full fullscreen. If you bring the mouse right down to the bottom right corner to resize the wondow, click the mouse>it misses the window, you have to move the cursor slightly to grab the window, thus slowing productivity. If it was a case where one could simple bring the mouse cursor down quickly to the right bottom corner and grab the window 10/10 times that would be useful, so I think apple should fix the windows so that fullscreen means fullscreen thats all!
I should also add that if everyone had Window Dragon installed, and actually used it, this would never be a problem. Great Bloody Program (hack).
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WindowDragon was created because it is often inconvenient to click on a window's title bar or resize button to move and resize windows. WindowDragon allows a window's entire structure to be used as move or resize zone. In other words, WindowDragon makes it possible to move or resize a window by clicking anywhere within that window. Additionally, WindowDragon allows you to resize a window in any direction, and it allows you to drag all of an application's windows in tandem.
sigh, first of all, ireland, if you want something done, i hope you have reported your concern to apple. if not, while i'm pretty convinced a few apple employees check out these boards, i am guessing your complaints would carry more if directed to apple's mac os x feedback form. it just bugs me when people get all hot and bothered HERE, and never ever think to use the feedback submittal form on apple's site. 50% of my suggested changes and improvements have been made over time. sure, some of them may have been coincidences, but it certainly seems like a more effective way to go.
anyway, second, this behavior is a holdover from the first mac os x 10.0.0, and it's been anyone's guess as to what apps do it, and what apps don't. apple's apps seem to do it more often, because, back then, all apps were SUPPOSED to "respect the dock." since the dock was supposed to be this everything-to-every-task utility (and it's still a pain to even quit the process -- it loves to restart itself), it was considered bad form to write any app that would cover it up. heck, it's your alert system when an app wants attention (the bouncy icon), it's where the minimized windows go (unless you hack it otherwise), etc. for now, apple considers the dock to important of a process to potentially obstruct. apple used the same reasoning as they did for the menu bar long ago... you've been able to hide taskbars and menu bars on windows for a long time, and 3D apps are especially prone to this, as they tend to try to make their own interface use the entire screen. whether you feel this behavior is correct or not, though, is for you and an apple developer to get into a heated exchange about.
that having been said, you can TRICK an app to go past this reserved space, by getting it as close to the edge as you can, then by dragging the app's title bar, you can push the bottom edge down by dragging the entire window. yeah, that supposedly leaves you with a bit of room at the top, but with most apps, if you've got multiple monitors. you can use that extra screen real estate to make windows larger that your desktop by using that extra space as tracking room for your mouse when it's resizing a window. then you can keep scooting it up and down until it's filling all desktop area.
but, man, that seems like a LOT of effort to hide 3 pixels worth of space. couldn't you just make your desktop picture black and that would make it almost invisible? sure would save you some time.
sigh, first of all, ireland, if you want something done, i hope you have reported your concern to apple. if not, while i'm pretty convinced a few apple employees check out these boards, i am guessing your complaints would carry more if directed to apple's mac os x feedback form. it just bugs me when people get all hot and bothered HERE, and never ever think to use the feedback submittal form on apple's site. 50% of my suggested changes and improvements have been made over time. sure, some of them may have been coincidences, but it certainly seems like a more effective way to go.
anyway, second, this behavior is a holdover from the first mac os x 10.0.0, and it's been anyone's guess as to what apps do it, and what apps don't. apple's apps seem to do it more often, because, back then, all apps were SUPPOSED to "respect the dock." since the dock was supposed to be this everything-to-every-task utility (and it's still a pain to even quit the process -- it loves to restart itself), it was considered bad form to write any app that would cover it up. heck, it's your alert system when an app wants attention (the bouncy icon), it's where the minimized windows go (unless you hack it otherwise), etc. for now, apple considers the dock to important of a process to potentially obstruct. apple used the same reasoning as they did for the menu bar long ago... you've been able to hide taskbars and menu bars on windows for a long time, and 3D apps are especially prone to this, as they tend to try to make their own interface use the entire screen. whether you feel this behavior is correct or not, though, is for you and an apple developer to get into a heated exchange about.
that having been said, you can TRICK an app to go past this reserved space, by getting it as close to the edge as you can, then by dragging the app's title bar, you can push the bottom edge down by dragging the entire window. yeah, that supposedly leaves you with a bit of room at the top, but with most apps, if you've got multiple monitors. you can use that extra screen real estate to make windows larger that your desktop by using that extra space as tracking room for your mouse when it's resizing a window. then you can keep scooting it up and down until it's filling all desktop area.
but, man, that seems like a LOT of effort to hide 3 pixels worth of space. couldn't you just make your desktop picture black and that would make it almost invisible? sure would save you some time.
Just read the first paragraph of this so far. Yes I did send this feedback, about 6 times so far in the last while. I just was a bit pissed that's all, and though a few people here were too!
...................just read the rest of your post, seems like too much work.
Just read the first paragraph of this so far. Yes I did send this feedback, about 6 times so far in the last while. I just was a bit pissed that's all, and though a few people here were too!
...................just read the rest of your post, seems like too much work.
Get it sorted apple!
It sounds like this causes you serious headaches and worry. I think I remember that in Windows XP, the applications take up the whole screen. You could always use that instead.
It sounds like this causes you serious headaches and worry. I think I remember that in Windows XP, the applications take up the whole screen. You could always use that instead.
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WindowDragon was created because it is often inconvenient to click on a window's title bar or resize button to move and resize windows. WindowDragon allows a window's entire structure to be used as move or resize zone. In other words, WindowDragon makes it possible to move or resize a window by clicking anywhere within that window. Additionally, WindowDragon allows you to resize a window in any direction, and it allows you to drag all of an application's windows in tandem.
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anyway, second, this behavior is a holdover from the first mac os x 10.0.0, and it's been anyone's guess as to what apps do it, and what apps don't. apple's apps seem to do it more often, because, back then, all apps were SUPPOSED to "respect the dock." since the dock was supposed to be this everything-to-every-task utility (and it's still a pain to even quit the process -- it loves to restart itself), it was considered bad form to write any app that would cover it up. heck, it's your alert system when an app wants attention (the bouncy icon), it's where the minimized windows go (unless you hack it otherwise), etc. for now, apple considers the dock to important of a process to potentially obstruct. apple used the same reasoning as they did for the menu bar long ago... you've been able to hide taskbars and menu bars on windows for a long time, and 3D apps are especially prone to this, as they tend to try to make their own interface use the entire screen. whether you feel this behavior is correct or not, though, is for you and an apple developer to get into a heated exchange about.
that having been said, you can TRICK an app to go past this reserved space, by getting it as close to the edge as you can, then by dragging the app's title bar, you can push the bottom edge down by dragging the entire window. yeah, that supposedly leaves you with a bit of room at the top, but with most apps, if you've got multiple monitors. you can use that extra screen real estate to make windows larger that your desktop by using that extra space as tracking room for your mouse when it's resizing a window. then you can keep scooting it up and down until it's filling all desktop area.
but, man, that seems like a LOT of effort to hide 3 pixels worth of space. couldn't you just make your desktop picture black and that would make it almost invisible? sure would save you some time.
Originally posted by rok
sigh, first of all, ireland, if you want something done, i hope you have reported your concern to apple. if not, while i'm pretty convinced a few apple employees check out these boards, i am guessing your complaints would carry more if directed to apple's mac os x feedback form. it just bugs me when people get all hot and bothered HERE, and never ever think to use the feedback submittal form on apple's site. 50% of my suggested changes and improvements have been made over time. sure, some of them may have been coincidences, but it certainly seems like a more effective way to go.
anyway, second, this behavior is a holdover from the first mac os x 10.0.0, and it's been anyone's guess as to what apps do it, and what apps don't. apple's apps seem to do it more often, because, back then, all apps were SUPPOSED to "respect the dock." since the dock was supposed to be this everything-to-every-task utility (and it's still a pain to even quit the process -- it loves to restart itself), it was considered bad form to write any app that would cover it up. heck, it's your alert system when an app wants attention (the bouncy icon), it's where the minimized windows go (unless you hack it otherwise), etc. for now, apple considers the dock to important of a process to potentially obstruct. apple used the same reasoning as they did for the menu bar long ago... you've been able to hide taskbars and menu bars on windows for a long time, and 3D apps are especially prone to this, as they tend to try to make their own interface use the entire screen. whether you feel this behavior is correct or not, though, is for you and an apple developer to get into a heated exchange about.
that having been said, you can TRICK an app to go past this reserved space, by getting it as close to the edge as you can, then by dragging the app's title bar, you can push the bottom edge down by dragging the entire window. yeah, that supposedly leaves you with a bit of room at the top, but with most apps, if you've got multiple monitors. you can use that extra screen real estate to make windows larger that your desktop by using that extra space as tracking room for your mouse when it's resizing a window. then you can keep scooting it up and down until it's filling all desktop area.
but, man, that seems like a LOT of effort to hide 3 pixels worth of space. couldn't you just make your desktop picture black and that would make it almost invisible? sure would save you some time.
Just read the first paragraph of this so far. Yes I did send this feedback, about 6 times so far in the last while. I just was a bit pissed that's all, and though a few people here were too!
...................just read the rest of your post, seems like too much work.
Get it sorted apple!
Originally posted by Ireland
Just read the first paragraph of this so far. Yes I did send this feedback, about 6 times so far in the last while. I just was a bit pissed that's all, and though a few people here were too!
...................just read the rest of your post, seems like too much work.
Get it sorted apple!
It sounds like this causes you serious headaches and worry. I think I remember that in Windows XP, the applications take up the whole screen. You could always use that instead.
Originally posted by OBJRA10
It sounds like this causes you serious headaches and worry. I think I remember that in Windows XP, the applications take up the whole screen. You could always use that instead.
That's funny!