The whole point here is that you do not have to buy your content from the iTMS. People are acting like iTunes and the iPod are non functional without iTMS content.
I think you're missing the point. iTunes is easy, convenient and the best music software/music store by far - but I really don't see why people are getting upset with others who want to listen to the music they bought on something like a Sonos.
I just don't understand.
Alhtough I do understand why apple would want to restrict what devices their music can be played.
I think you're missing the point. iTunes is easy, convenient and the best music software/music store by far - but I really don't see why people are getting upset with others who want to listen to the music they bought on something like a Sonos.
I just don't understand.
Alhtough I do understand why apple would want to restrict what devices their music can be played.
Well said. I know if I was in charge of Apple, I'd license Fairplay to anyone who wanted it, except for use in any product that competes directly with the iPod. People like Roku and Sonos would license it in a second - more revenue for Apple from the license fees, and more revenue from people buying music from iTunes.
Well said. I know if I was in charge of Apple, I'd license Fairplay to anyone who wanted it, except for use in any product that competes directly with the iPod. People like Roku and Sonos would license it in a second - more revenue for Apple from the license fees, and more revenue from people buying music from iTunes.
I'm currently on my fifth ipod and I'm pretty sure I'll buy the next one when that comes out. They're the best thing on the market by far in my opinion. Plus I love the convenience of the music store (especially here in London when it's cold)
But I genuinely don't understand when folk sugest having two copies of the same track (one for apple products and the other for other) is an elegant solution. Come to think about how would that work with my playlists.
Plus - how do I know that Apple will be making the best music players in 10 - 15 years time. At one time I wouldn't have bought anything other than a Sony Walkman (not even the super slim ones from Aiwa) and now I laugh at their attempts to compete in this market, but at least all those tapes I bought back then will play on other makers devices. I can't say the same of the 700 or so songs I've bought from iTMS.
I think this is a great law change. When I buy a song I've bought a something I should be able to use on anything. The benefit of digital is that you can move it from one player to another (unlike CDs and tapes). If the DRMs were opened up it encourages more innovation from Apple and its competitors. Apple would not need to make iTunes work with other players - just make the music compatible.
Bring it on - I would love to be able to buy my music from a variety of sources. This really is excellent news for everyone, especially the consumers. Monopolies do not help anyone.
So you are saying that you are so paranoid as to assume that no government ever acts in the interests of consumers?
No, I'm saying that governments rarely go to this much trouble over something like this without some serious lobbying going on. And the vast majority of groups which have the time and money to spend lobbying are people who have a vested interest in seeing a law pass.
No, I'm saying that governments rarely go to this much trouble over something like this without some serious lobbying going on. And the vast majority of groups which have the time and money to spend lobbying are people who have a vested interest in seeing a law pass.
So who would these parties be?
Really.
According to a lot of people Apple has this DRM to get music companies to agree with Apple selling their music.
And in those deals Apple makes less money on the music then those companies, right?
So, who is lobbying?
French hardware producers?
Are there any?
Are there any major French music companies?
Or is the reasoning that the music companies would drop Apple as a distributor?
the real reason all this is happening is because apple is a US company, if it was french they'd protect it. they don't like american business, and hey what about the windows "monopoly" make the french version of windows run on a mac
As a French citizen I must admit that every internet savvy french person is against this law : badly thought, badly written, inadequate and inspired in its major part by majors (Univeral, Warner, Sony BMG and the like). The average age for a member of the the parliament 1st chamber is 50 and they rarely are internet savvy enough to understand DRM, P2P etc. and since the 2d chamber is composed of 70 to 80 old Senators, I am 100 % sure less than 5% of the members examining the law have any clue about it.
As a side note this law was proposed by the current government (within its right) and not by members of the parliament (which is the usage) and since the self- appointed experts working in the various ministries specialized commissions working on the law project are often picked among people in this field (music, entertainment industries), you can bet that this law is a major result of entertainement industry lobbying directed toward ignorant parliament members.
I guess if only parliament members had spoken a little with their 10 years old children or grand children, they would have understood better what they were voting about? Stupids, really?
If it was me, I'd find a safe place to park my car because Apple will pull out of France and all of those kids rioting in the streets because they might get fired from their first jobs are going to Go Ape when iTunes France ends.
Good night, M. Pierre Boulle, where ever vous are.
BS - so you just happened to come around here from Amsterdam Your a troll right through and through
No "reasoned discussion" here - move along...
right back at you, Sir!
I was asking a question for reals, hence the "really".
some people - quite a lot actually - are blaming lobbyists for this action, and I'd like to know who they think might run such a lobby.
if this lobby is to protect French business against fair US competition, as is becoming consensus, then exactly which French companies would be behind it, or would benefit?
You know the Vivendi part in Vivendi-Universal is French don't you ? And the current french gov isn't as protective to french businesses as the former socialist ones. This one is all to happy to pursue the full liberalism path. Less money to spend for the gov to sustain state sponsorised businesses = all the better?
And France has also powerfull music/movie copyright managing companies working on behalf of content producers
Comments
Originally posted by auxio
i'm certainly not so naive as to believe the motivation behind the law is to actually protect consumer rights.
So you are saying that you are so paranoid as to assume that no government ever acts in the interests of consumers?
Originally posted by Alias789
The whole point here is that you do not have to buy your content from the iTMS. People are acting like iTunes and the iPod are non functional without iTMS content.
I think you're missing the point. iTunes is easy, convenient and the best music software/music store by far - but I really don't see why people are getting upset with others who want to listen to the music they bought on something like a Sonos.
I just don't understand.
Alhtough I do understand why apple would want to restrict what devices their music can be played.
Originally posted by VF208
I think you're missing the point. iTunes is easy, convenient and the best music software/music store by far - but I really don't see why people are getting upset with others who want to listen to the music they bought on something like a Sonos.
I just don't understand.
Alhtough I do understand why apple would want to restrict what devices their music can be played.
Well said. I know if I was in charge of Apple, I'd license Fairplay to anyone who wanted it, except for use in any product that competes directly with the iPod. People like Roku and Sonos would license it in a second - more revenue for Apple from the license fees, and more revenue from people buying music from iTunes.
Originally posted by Mr. H
Well said. I know if I was in charge of Apple, I'd license Fairplay to anyone who wanted it, except for use in any product that competes directly with the iPod. People like Roku and Sonos would license it in a second - more revenue for Apple from the license fees, and more revenue from people buying music from iTunes.
I'm currently on my fifth ipod and I'm pretty sure I'll buy the next one when that comes out. They're the best thing on the market by far in my opinion. Plus I love the convenience of the music store (especially here in London when it's cold)
But I genuinely don't understand when folk sugest having two copies of the same track (one for apple products and the other for other) is an elegant solution. Come to think about how would that work with my playlists.
Plus - how do I know that Apple will be making the best music players in 10 - 15 years time. At one time I wouldn't have bought anything other than a Sony Walkman (not even the super slim ones from Aiwa) and now I laugh at their attempts to compete in this market, but at least all those tapes I bought back then will play on other makers devices. I can't say the same of the 700 or so songs I've bought from iTMS.
Bring it on - I would love to be able to buy my music from a variety of sources. This really is excellent news for everyone, especially the consumers. Monopolies do not help anyone.
Originally posted by Mr. H
So you are saying that you are so paranoid as to assume that no government ever acts in the interests of consumers?
No, I'm saying that governments rarely go to this much trouble over something like this without some serious lobbying going on. And the vast majority of groups which have the time and money to spend lobbying are people who have a vested interest in seeing a law pass.
Originally posted by auxio
No, I'm saying that governments rarely go to this much trouble over something like this without some serious lobbying going on. And the vast majority of groups which have the time and money to spend lobbying are people who have a vested interest in seeing a law pass.
So who would these parties be?
Really.
According to a lot of people Apple has this DRM to get music companies to agree with Apple selling their music.
And in those deals Apple makes less money on the music then those companies, right?
So, who is lobbying?
French hardware producers?
Are there any?
Are there any major French music companies?
Or is the reasoning that the music companies would drop Apple as a distributor?
it's just a way for the french to kick us
Originally posted by SMQT
So who would these parties be?
Really.
...
Or is the reasoning that the music companies would drop Apple as a distributor?
BS - so you just happened to come around here from Amsterdam
No "reasoned discussion" here - move along...
Originally posted by stephane36
As a French citizen I must admit that every internet savvy french person is against this law : badly thought, badly written, inadequate and inspired in its major part by majors (Univeral, Warner, Sony BMG and the like). The average age for a member of the the parliament 1st chamber is 50 and they rarely are internet savvy enough to understand DRM, P2P etc. and since the 2d chamber is composed of 70 to 80 old Senators, I am 100 % sure less than 5% of the members examining the law have any clue about it.
As a side note this law was proposed by the current government (within its right) and not by members of the parliament (which is the usage) and since the self- appointed experts working in the various ministries specialized commissions working on the law project are often picked among people in this field (music, entertainment industries), you can bet that this law is a major result of entertainement industry lobbying directed toward ignorant parliament members.
I guess if only parliament members had spoken a little with their 10 years old children or grand children, they would have understood better what they were voting about? Stupids, really?
If it was me, I'd find a safe place to park my car because Apple will pull out of France and all of those kids rioting in the streets because they might get fired from their first jobs are going to Go Ape when iTunes France ends.
Good night, M. Pierre Boulle, where ever vous are.
V/R,
Aries 1B
Originally posted by jwdawso
BS - so you just happened to come around here from Amsterdam
No "reasoned discussion" here - move along...
right back at you, Sir!
I was asking a question for reals, hence the "really".
some people - quite a lot actually - are blaming lobbyists for this action, and I'd like to know who they think might run such a lobby.
if this lobby is to protect French business against fair US competition, as is becoming consensus, then exactly which French companies would be behind it, or would benefit?
And France has also powerfull music/movie copyright managing companies working on behalf of content producers