The "figures" I used were examples to prove a logical point--that Apple makes more money now than it would using off-the-shelf cards.
I really don't see how that's wrong, and you haven't really said anything that's lead me to believe otherwise (or have even attempted to).
I have not attempted too because I'm not prepared to make up figures based on your conspiracy theory.
What Apple did before when using non intel motherboards compared to what they intend to do now is only guesswork. To me it's not set in stone until I have heard Steve Jobs intentions in a Key note, and I see an intel Mac product that uses a removable video card.
Therefore, I have no idea what exactly Apple plans on doing as far as video cards go, but I do know that they are aware that the lack of video cards, comparable hardware, pricing, and upgrades vs. a PC were four of their top complaints from Mac users, non Mac users, and potential switchers alike.
I am only assuming that addressing these four issues is in their best interest and at the top of their list of " things that need to be addressed during intel transition". Being that no matter what they hypothetically made on video cards before; they can make a larger profit by selling 1% to 2% more Mac's within the first year alone by addressing these issues.
So your video card profit theory is moot in my book. Reason being is that increased market share is where they will see their biggest financial growth, and the #1 reason (IMO) why they switched to intel.
So your video card profit theory is moot in my book, because market share is where they will see their biggest financial growth, and the #1 reason (IMO) why they switched to intel.
Interesting point. I think we can both agree that Apple will do what will yeild the most revenue. Therefore, we can simply find out which theory is correct by watching what Apple does. So I guess we'll see.
Aesop said that the difference between an educated mind and another is that one can entertain an idea without embracing it.
FYI: Boot screen graphics are standards based and rely upon the VESA level support of one's Graphics GPU. They are, by design, limited to what the MOBO design is set to do and if one wants to see what OS X is doing upon boot up you can hold down a key sequence to see the terminal output before WindowServer launches and gives one the login application.
The primary reason to use EFI on Intel Macs and on Intel-Mac-installed video cards is innovation. The only prevalent alternative, BIOS, would have been a nightmare.
It might also have something to do with the fact that intel is doing all the heavy work for them. If Apple wanted to, there was nothing stopping them from using open firmware on the Mactels. Intel offered Apple a fully intergrated CPU, chipset, and firmware package with full support as intel wanted EFI out of the box.
So as an ignorant person regarding this, I wonder if EFI gives any other advantage based on the hardware that Intel gives. Is EFI any more optimized on a Core Duo or does it matter at all? It seems to me that OSX should be getting to the point where it boots in a surprisingly short time given the use of the Mach kernel and all the unix tools available.
I'd like to see you implement a boot screen that, right from the start, is in the full and proper resolution, rather than some 320x240 256 color bullshit, as is the case in 90% of the machines out there. What, you think nobody fucking cares? Well, tell you what, I do, and I know I'm not alone. I really enjoy feeling like I'm not being screwed over and over again because my hardware vendor can't be bothered to throw away legacy shit. I really enjoy feeling that my hardware vendor is capable to get rid of floppy drives, of old-school serial and parallel buses and, yes, of extremely low-resolution video modes. I really enjoy that, even when I have to go do some maintenance stuff because my system is royally messed up, I can still work at 1024x768, because my system, and by that I mean the combination of software and hardware, is modern enough to actually provide the drivers automatically. Right from the start. Right from the very second you hit the power button. It's not rocket science.
Isn't the point / Reason the boot screen doesn't use full graphics resolution is it's a lot faster? I thought that drivers loaded and reloaded to work together during the time of the boot process, in that time the graphics card, usb drivers, and so on are still configuring themselves to work, and sometimes reloading to work together. By the time they are working your at the login screen which is too long of a wait to start the boot process again. Your almost ready to go by then. Imaging having to sit through the wait again. Especially if you have a huge set of drivers in a professional situation. I can't even understand why people are complaining about something so trivial, and pointless as the boot screen. What are you old maids or something?
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Originally posted by slughead
The "figures" I used were examples to prove a logical point--that Apple makes more money now than it would using off-the-shelf cards.
I really don't see how that's wrong, and you haven't really said anything that's lead me to believe otherwise (or have even attempted to).
I have not attempted too because I'm not prepared to make up figures based on your conspiracy theory.
What Apple did before when using non intel motherboards compared to what they intend to do now is only guesswork. To me it's not set in stone until I have heard Steve Jobs intentions in a Key note, and I see an intel Mac product that uses a removable video card.
Therefore, I have no idea what exactly Apple plans on doing as far as video cards go, but I do know that they are aware that the lack of video cards, comparable hardware, pricing, and upgrades vs. a PC were four of their top complaints from Mac users, non Mac users, and potential switchers alike.
I am only assuming that addressing these four issues is in their best interest and at the top of their list of " things that need to be addressed during intel transition". Being that no matter what they hypothetically made on video cards before; they can make a larger profit by selling 1% to 2% more Mac's within the first year alone by addressing these issues.
So your video card profit theory is moot in my book. Reason being is that increased market share is where they will see their biggest financial growth, and the #1 reason (IMO) why they switched to intel.
Originally posted by onlooker
So your video card profit theory is moot in my book, because market share is where they will see their biggest financial growth, and the #1 reason (IMO) why they switched to intel.
Interesting point. I think we can both agree that Apple will do what will yeild the most revenue. Therefore, we can simply find out which theory is correct by watching what Apple does. So I guess we'll see.
Aesop said that the difference between an educated mind and another is that one can entertain an idea without embracing it.
Thank you for considering my point of view.
It's been available since NeXTSTEP 1.0.
Originally posted by Chucker
The primary reason to use EFI on Intel Macs and on Intel-Mac-installed video cards is innovation. The only prevalent alternative, BIOS, would have been a nightmare.
It might also have something to do with the fact that intel is doing all the heavy work for them. If Apple wanted to, there was nothing stopping them from using open firmware on the Mactels. Intel offered Apple a fully intergrated CPU, chipset, and firmware package with full support as intel wanted EFI out of the box.
Originally posted by Chucker
I'd like to see you implement a boot screen that, right from the start, is in the full and proper resolution, rather than some 320x240 256 color bullshit, as is the case in 90% of the machines out there. What, you think nobody fucking cares? Well, tell you what, I do, and I know I'm not alone. I really enjoy feeling like I'm not being screwed over and over again because my hardware vendor can't be bothered to throw away legacy shit. I really enjoy feeling that my hardware vendor is capable to get rid of floppy drives, of old-school serial and parallel buses and, yes, of extremely low-resolution video modes. I really enjoy that, even when I have to go do some maintenance stuff because my system is royally messed up, I can still work at 1024x768, because my system, and by that I mean the combination of software and hardware, is modern enough to actually provide the drivers automatically. Right from the start. Right from the very second you hit the power button. It's not rocket science.
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