I still find a keyboard to be the worst game interface ever devised. Instead of thinking about how to produce the best interface from scratch, most UI 'designers' seem to be of the opinion "Throw it on a key somewhere... we've got over 100 of them..."
Many keys are fine, just please... come up with a better device or game-internal system that gives at least a nod to intelligent layout.
Ah well. Lowest common denominator and all that, wins the day every time I guess.
Well, unwritten rule of FPS: w for front, a for left, s for down, d for right, space for jump. left mouse for shoot, right mouse for alt-fire... But actually a lot of keys in FPS are user configurable so you're not locked in to a particular interface (except in that your stuck with a keyboard and mouse).
RealTimeStrategy and RolePlaying may be different though...
Yah uk i don't exactly understand why PC gamers say that their technology blows the stuff in the 360 away when the 360 has a three 3.2 gHz proccesors and the prototype graphics cards which will be in PC's in a few months-to a year.
I hate the keyboard and mouse, why? Because it takes no skill...Anyone can just play games with a keyboard and mouse as long as they know like the most basic fundemental things about playings games, like how the mouse aims and the keys move...give someone a console controller and see how much longer it takes them, even if they know the basics. Console gaming requires much more cordination is my opinion.
Try playing Oblivion on the 360...and then try playing on the PC...the 360 is a much better experiance, unless you put thousands and thousands of dollers into a top-of-the-line PC and even then the 360 will prolly run the game smoother. COD2 used 1 core of the 360. Oblivion is the only game that uses all 3 so far.
As stated earlier, I think that while PC games and Console games do have some overlap, each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
It would be virtually impossible to play a strategy game on a console, you need a keyboard and mouse (hence Starcraft for SNES failed).
Also, First Person Shooters are much, much better on PCs. A controller joystick is simply not accurate or fast enough for hardcore competitive play. Some people might dissagree, but just try running, strafing, jumping, aiming and firing all at the same time on a controller, just doesnt happen.
RPGs are probably equally good on either a PC or Console, depending on the game complexity, etc. Same for racing games.
Flight Sims have more controller options on PCs. But a controller is far better than a keyboard and mouse.
For "Mario type" games and 3rd person games, you definetly need a controller. Im really excited about the Nintendo Revolution. The old games were really the best.
I dont understand why some people think the Xbox is so great. What games does it have that are better than the PS2 or PC? Halo? Dont make me laugh, it was one of the lamest FPSs Ive ever played. The story was actually pretty decent until it got to "The Flood", then it became so cheesy I couldnt stand it.
In contrast, Final Fantasy X was the PS2s killer game, which rocked.
But in reality, most games were/are available for both...
So I think the advantages of the PC are:
Strategy
Flight Sim
First Person Shooter
Console:
3rd person
Most RPGs
Most racing games
Don't talk to me about Final Fantasy X...I hate those games, but I love Halo, so I guess we are even, that's just a matter of opinion. And with the run, straff, jumping, aiming, and shooting all at the same time...easily done on a console. I also personally like how the trigger on the 360 controller is an actually trigger...gives the game some more real-world depth. You pull trigger, game shoots. Strategy games are much better on the PC, though I'm hoping that they will allow you to hook up a keyboard and mouse for STRATEGY GAMES ONLY!!! While I think that FPS on a console is a better experiance and more difficult, I also think that joystick would be crushed by a person with a mouse any day. Just cause its easier...
If you want to be honest, why the hell are you using a computer to play games? Gaming is great and all, but the whole idea behind the Mac is production. How productive are you playing Quake or someother ridiculous title? Not very. You're consuming air and space, thats about it. Congrats.
Must not retaliate against stupid post, must ignore, must, aaaaahhhh!
I still find a keyboard to be the worst game interface ever devised. Instead of thinking about how to produce the best interface from scratch, most UI 'designers' seem to be of the opinion "Throw it on a key somewhere... we've got over 100 of them..."
Many keys are fine, just please... come up with a better device or game-internal system that gives at least a nod to intelligent layout.
Ah well. Lowest common denominator and all that, wins the day every time I guess.
I use this, it wont be availble in the US until end of April.
Yah uk i don't exactly understand why PC gamers say that their technology blows the stuff in the 360 away when the 360 has a three 3.2 gHz proccesors and the prototype graphics cards which will be in PC's in a few months-to a year.
I hate the keyboard and mouse, why? Because it takes no skill...Anyone can just play games with a keyboard and mouse as long as they know like the most basic fundemental things about playings games, like how the mouse aims and the keys move...give someone a console controller and see how much longer it takes them, even if they know the basics. Console gaming requires much more cordination is my opinion.
Try playing Oblivion on the 360...and then try playing on the PC...the 360 is a much better experiance, unless you put thousands and thousands of dollers into a top-of-the-line PC and even then the 360 will prolly run the game smoother. COD2 used 1 core of the 360. Oblivion is the only game that uses all 3 so far.
The Xbox 360 has 3 SPEs. And the graphics card is a last generation X1800. And I have played Oblivion on both platforms, and the PC looks noticably better. The designers had a lower the texture size in order for it to work on Xbox.
The only significant advantage computers had over consoles for gaming was networkability. The xBox 1 and PS2 technically had it, but I don't know anyone who actually got it set up. If the XBox 360 and PS3 are much easier to network and play online, then I can't see PC gaming going very far. Consider also that for every PC gamer out there who thinks games need to run with mouse and keyboard, there are ten hardcore console gamers who think that control pads are much more suitable.
Seriously: Let's say you have an XBOX360 or a hypothetical PS3 hooked up to an HD TV set. How in the world is a PC going to provide a better experience?
How is that going to be better than an HD TV and a modern console? It certainly costs more than an XBOX360, an HDTV, and a bunch of games all together, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
Well you never brought price into the equation. A better experience would be a 1080p monitor and 2x 7900GTXs. No one ever said that PC gaming was cheaper, it it much more expensive, but it is a much better experience and much better IMO.
How is that going to be better than an HD TV and a modern console? It certainly costs more than an XBOX360, an HDTV, and a bunch of games all together, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
How is that Ferrari going to be better than a Yugo? It certainly costs more than a Yugo, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
How is that Ferrari going to be better than a Yugo? It certainly costs more than a Yugo, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
Um, you get what you pay for?
The car analogies continue to be stupid. An 18 wheeler also costs more than a car, has more power, and is probaby a lot more receptive to modifications, but which one would you rather have in a race? That's how I see the PC vs. console debate. Consoles are made for gaming, and they do a better job at it. Hence the experience is better. Until now there was a "performance" argument in favor of PC gaming, but that's fizzled away. Regardless of how many pixels the 7900 is advertised to push, it doesn't really do anything more for the user than does the XBOX360. I continue to be baffled at the pro-PC camp, and I can only figure that they're in a deep state of denial stemming from over-purchasing PC hardware.
I use this, it wont be availble in the US until end of April.
You use a prosthetic foot to play games? WIld!
But seriously, with each generation of console there is less and less a point to cluttering up a computer with games aside from things like the sims and other simple time waster games.
PS3+online capability(when ever it gets here) will blow the water off anything else on the market right now.
.0001% of people think a keyboard is a good gaming option? Most of these consoles will undoubtedly offer a keyboard.
Buying one machine and just poping in disks is way better than installing a game or drivers and patches and stuff, for the average consumer(read: almost all consumers) this is way more convient and fun.
PC gaming isn't dead with you'd be lying out your ass if you said the market isn't dwindling, it's only a matter of time.
The only significant advantage computers had over consoles for gaming was networkability. The xBox 1 and PS2 technically had it, but I don't know anyone who actually got it set up. If the XBox 360 and PS3 are much easier to network and play online, then I can't see PC gaming going very far. Consider also that for every PC gamer out there who thinks games need to run with mouse and keyboard, there are ten hardcore console gamers who think that control pads are much more suitable.
Seriously: Let's say you have an XBOX360 or a hypothetical PS3 hooked up to an HD TV set. How in the world is a PC going to provide a better experience?
The 360 is super easy to get online. I just plugged it into my router. I have a wireless controller and the headset plugs into that. Now I can voice chat with other players in any game I play through Xbox Live. No 3rd party programs to install/configure, it's in every Live enabled game. Makes it a hell of a lot easier to give/receive commands and adds much to the immersion.
IMO. gaming wirelessly from my couch using a 42" 720p DLP is much more comfortable then sitting at any computer station.
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Each system has its advantages and it is dependent on the game DESIGNERS to use them...
To be honest both platforms are equally able to play games.
I still find a keyboard to be the worst game interface ever devised. Instead of thinking about how to produce the best interface from scratch, most UI 'designers' seem to be of the opinion "Throw it on a key somewhere... we've got over 100 of them..."
Many keys are fine, just please... come up with a better device or game-internal system that gives at least a nod to intelligent layout.
Ah well. Lowest common denominator and all that, wins the day every time I guess.
RealTimeStrategy and RolePlaying may be different though...
I hate the keyboard and mouse, why? Because it takes no skill...Anyone can just play games with a keyboard and mouse as long as they know like the most basic fundemental things about playings games, like how the mouse aims and the keys move...give someone a console controller and see how much longer it takes them, even if they know the basics. Console gaming requires much more cordination is my opinion.
Try playing Oblivion on the 360...and then try playing on the PC...the 360 is a much better experiance, unless you put thousands and thousands of dollers into a top-of-the-line PC and even then the 360 will prolly run the game smoother. COD2 used 1 core of the 360. Oblivion is the only game that uses all 3 so far.
Originally posted by 4fx
As stated earlier, I think that while PC games and Console games do have some overlap, each has their own strengths and weaknesses.
It would be virtually impossible to play a strategy game on a console, you need a keyboard and mouse (hence Starcraft for SNES failed).
Also, First Person Shooters are much, much better on PCs. A controller joystick is simply not accurate or fast enough for hardcore competitive play. Some people might dissagree, but just try running, strafing, jumping, aiming and firing all at the same time on a controller, just doesnt happen.
RPGs are probably equally good on either a PC or Console, depending on the game complexity, etc. Same for racing games.
Flight Sims have more controller options on PCs. But a controller is far better than a keyboard and mouse.
For "Mario type" games and 3rd person games, you definetly need a controller. Im really excited about the Nintendo Revolution. The old games were really the best.
I dont understand why some people think the Xbox is so great. What games does it have that are better than the PS2 or PC? Halo? Dont make me laugh, it was one of the lamest FPSs Ive ever played. The story was actually pretty decent until it got to "The Flood", then it became so cheesy I couldnt stand it.
In contrast, Final Fantasy X was the PS2s killer game, which rocked.
But in reality, most games were/are available for both...
So I think the advantages of the PC are:
Strategy
Flight Sim
First Person Shooter
Console:
3rd person
Most RPGs
Most racing games
Don't talk to me about Final Fantasy X...I hate those games, but I love Halo, so I guess we are even, that's just a matter of opinion. And with the run, straff, jumping, aiming, and shooting all at the same time...easily done on a console. I also personally like how the trigger on the 360 controller is an actually trigger...gives the game some more real-world depth. You pull trigger, game shoots. Strategy games are much better on the PC, though I'm hoping that they will allow you to hook up a keyboard and mouse for STRATEGY GAMES ONLY!!! While I think that FPS on a console is a better experiance and more difficult, I also think that joystick would be crushed by a person with a mouse any day. Just cause its easier...
Originally posted by sulo28
If you want to be honest, why the hell are you using a computer to play games? Gaming is great and all, but the whole idea behind the Mac is production. How productive are you playing Quake or someother ridiculous title? Not very. You're consuming air and space, thats about it. Congrats.
Must not retaliate against stupid post, must ignore, must, aaaaahhhh!
Originally posted by Kickaha
Hear hear.
I still find a keyboard to be the worst game interface ever devised. Instead of thinking about how to produce the best interface from scratch, most UI 'designers' seem to be of the opinion "Throw it on a key somewhere... we've got over 100 of them..."
Many keys are fine, just please... come up with a better device or game-internal system that gives at least a nod to intelligent layout.
Ah well. Lowest common denominator and all that, wins the day every time I guess.
I use this, it wont be availble in the US until end of April.
Originally posted by Shadow Slayer 26
Yah uk i don't exactly understand why PC gamers say that their technology blows the stuff in the 360 away when the 360 has a three 3.2 gHz proccesors and the prototype graphics cards which will be in PC's in a few months-to a year.
I hate the keyboard and mouse, why? Because it takes no skill...Anyone can just play games with a keyboard and mouse as long as they know like the most basic fundemental things about playings games, like how the mouse aims and the keys move...give someone a console controller and see how much longer it takes them, even if they know the basics. Console gaming requires much more cordination is my opinion.
Try playing Oblivion on the 360...and then try playing on the PC...the 360 is a much better experiance, unless you put thousands and thousands of dollers into a top-of-the-line PC and even then the 360 will prolly run the game smoother. COD2 used 1 core of the 360. Oblivion is the only game that uses all 3 so far.
The Xbox 360 has 3 SPEs. And the graphics card is a last generation X1800. And I have played Oblivion on both platforms, and the PC looks noticably better. The designers had a lower the texture size in order for it to work on Xbox.
Originally posted by Shadow Slayer 26
Hmm ok thanks for clearing that up. I guess microsoft just worded their way around stuff. Not that i care lol still the best console out there neways.
Certainly.
Seriously: Let's say you have an XBOX360 or a hypothetical PS3 hooked up to an HD TV set. How in the world is a PC going to provide a better experience?
Originally posted by theapplegenius
A 24" 1920x1200 display and a 7900GTX.
How is that going to be better than an HD TV and a modern console? It certainly costs more than an XBOX360, an HDTV, and a bunch of games all together, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
How is that going to be better than an HD TV and a modern console? It certainly costs more than an XBOX360, an HDTV, and a bunch of games all together, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
How is that Ferrari going to be better than a Yugo? It certainly costs more than a Yugo, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
Um, you get what you pay for?
Originally posted by Kickaha
How is that Ferrari going to be better than a Yugo? It certainly costs more than a Yugo, but last I checked it was better for cost to be lower, rather than higher.
Um, you get what you pay for?
The car analogies continue to be stupid. An 18 wheeler also costs more than a car, has more power, and is probaby a lot more receptive to modifications, but which one would you rather have in a race? That's how I see the PC vs. console debate. Consoles are made for gaming, and they do a better job at it. Hence the experience is better. Until now there was a "performance" argument in favor of PC gaming, but that's fizzled away. Regardless of how many pixels the 7900 is advertised to push, it doesn't really do anything more for the user than does the XBOX360. I continue to be baffled at the pro-PC camp, and I can only figure that they're in a deep state of denial stemming from over-purchasing PC hardware.
Originally posted by Relic
I use this, it wont be availble in the US until end of April.
You use a prosthetic foot to play games? WIld!
But seriously, with each generation of console there is less and less a point to cluttering up a computer with games aside from things like the sims and other simple time waster games.
PS3+online capability(when ever it gets here) will blow the water off anything else on the market right now.
.0001% of people think a keyboard is a good gaming option? Most of these consoles will undoubtedly offer a keyboard.
Buying one machine and just poping in disks is way better than installing a game or drivers and patches and stuff, for the average consumer(read: almost all consumers) this is way more convient and fun.
PC gaming isn't dead with you'd be lying out your ass if you said the market isn't dwindling, it's only a matter of time.
Originally posted by Splinemodel
The only significant advantage computers had over consoles for gaming was networkability. The xBox 1 and PS2 technically had it, but I don't know anyone who actually got it set up. If the XBox 360 and PS3 are much easier to network and play online, then I can't see PC gaming going very far. Consider also that for every PC gamer out there who thinks games need to run with mouse and keyboard, there are ten hardcore console gamers who think that control pads are much more suitable.
Seriously: Let's say you have an XBOX360 or a hypothetical PS3 hooked up to an HD TV set. How in the world is a PC going to provide a better experience?
The 360 is super easy to get online. I just plugged it into my router. I have a wireless controller and the headset plugs into that. Now I can voice chat with other players in any game I play through Xbox Live. No 3rd party programs to install/configure, it's in every Live enabled game. Makes it a hell of a lot easier to give/receive commands and adds much to the immersion.
IMO. gaming wirelessly from my couch using a 42" 720p DLP is much more comfortable then sitting at any computer station.