Fossil Of Devonian Fish-Land Animal Thingie

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  • Reply 21 of 38
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
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    Originally posted by MarcUK

    wouldn't an inverse Tachyon beam, be a joke for a normal particle/wave?



    Or a mechanism for 3 starship Enterprises to close out a series.
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  • Reply 22 of 38
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    BOT, I hate how they are always claiming they found a 'missing link' or transitional fossil. it makes it seem as if there are these defines species and the all of a sudden in a few years evolve into a new species. I know that's what some hard core creationists think evolutionists think but the term missing link implies it directly connects one fossil/life-form with another.





    I read a quote by one of the authors, sorry I don't remember the link, that they themselves didn't like the term 'missing link'. I think that term is used by the press since it quickly conjures up a certain image in readers' minds. The scientists, however, pointed out that this wasn't THE missing link, but one of many in a series of animals that came between fish and tetrapods.



    Another thing I don't like in most of the descriptions I've read in the press is the 'head of a crocodile" statement. I don't know if the authors said it or what, but it gives the wrong impression. Reptiles came much later, so this has nothing to do with crocodiles.



    What I think is so neat about this find is that it matched the hypothesis so well. It was clear that you can't go from fish to land animal in a single mutation and that this had to take place in steps (pun absolutely completly intended). The time frame was also narrowed down, and so they went looking in rocks of the appropriate ages and found what they were looking for.
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  • Reply 23 of 38
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    Originally posted by Carson O'Genic



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    find is that it matched the hypothesis so well. It was clear that you can't go from fish to land animal in a single mutation and that this had to take place in steps (pun absolutely completly intended). The time frame was also narrowed down, and so they went looking in rocks of the appropriate ages and found what they were looking for.




    Exactly. It's the plain weirdness of this creature I find so fantastic.



    I really love the idea of Earth as an alien planet.
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  • Reply 24 of 38
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
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    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah

    Exactly. It's the plain weirdness of this creature I find so fantastic.



    I really love the idea of Earth as an alien planet.




    Hassan, did you ever read Stephen Jay Gould's Wonderful Life?



    One of its central stories is the discovery of the Burgess Shale fossil beds in Canada, harboring evidence of tiny sea creatures so entirely bizarre that it was assumed that they were parts of other, larger animals.



    For instance, hallucigenia:







    And my personal favorite, Wiwaxia:



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  • Reply 25 of 38
    COOL.
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  • Reply 26 of 38
    kishankishan Posts: 732member
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    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah

    Exactly. It's the plain weirdness of this creature I find so fantastic.



    I really love the idea of Earth as an alien planet.




    Check out Aliens of the Deep by James Cameron. Although it is a little light on the actual science, the quality of the video taken was better than anything I had seen before. I gave it 4/5 stars in my Netflix account.
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  • Reply 27 of 38
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    Speaking of Gould, there is an pretty good illustrated layman's book on the history of life called The Book of Life. That's where I saw the illustrations above.
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  • Reply 28 of 38
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    Bump...



    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...2154&t=TS_Home



    New 'transitional' fossil discovered of a primitive Australopithecus, but post Ardipithecus, fills another gap between homo sapiens sapiens and pre-homo primates.



    Also, saw a documentary on Discovery Health channel about human sex and it went into the reasons why humans look the way we do now, why the external sex organs on the female went from the back to the front, why our lips look the way they do, why our skin is smooth and our nipples are high on our bodies, etc. Check it out.
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  • Reply 30 of 38
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    Originally posted by Outsider

    Bump...



    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...2154&t=TS_Home



    New 'transitional' fossil discovered of a primitive Australopithecus, but post Ardipithecus, fills another gap between homo sapiens sapiens and pre-homo primates.





    Another great find. I guess the Ethiopian license plate should read 'Ethiopia - Birthplace of Humanity'.



    I watched Nova last night about the Piltdown Man hoax. Apparently nationalism reagrding fossils was a big issue 100 years ago. Apparently, some in England had a problem with the all the good humanoid fossils coming from Germany (Neanderthal), France and Spain. So someone made up their own 'missing link' and planted him in East Sussex.
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  • Reply 31 of 38
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
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    Originally posted by Carson O'Genic

    Another great find. I guess the Ethiopian license plate should read 'Ethiopia - Birthplace of Humanity'.



    I watched Nova last night about the Piltdown Man hoax. Apparently nationalism reagrding fossils was a big issue 100 years ago. Apparently, some in England had a problem with the all the good humanoid fossils coming from Germany (Neanderthal), France and Spain. So someone made up their own 'missing link' and planted him in East Sussex.




    and inadvertently set back the dispelling of creationism 150 years.
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  • Reply 32 of 38
    http://www.cbc.ca/story/science/nati...-20060412.html



    "African fish hunts on land

    Last Updated Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:51:28 EDT

    CBC News

    Biologists have found an unusual fish that swims in the swamps of tropical Africa, but can catch prey on dry land.



    The eel catfish catches insects and other prey on land by arching its body upwards out of the water and bringing its jaws down, trapping its prey against the ground.



    In the water, the eel catfish, like other fish, captures its food by opening up its mouth and sucking up its prey. Since this trick won't work on land, it had to adapt with a different hunting strategy.



    The catfish's neck is especially flexible, with specialized vertebrae that allow it to hold its head up out of the water without using fins.



    A team headed by Sam Van Wassenbergh of the University of Antwerp in Belgium submitted a video of the eel catfish performing its feat in a lab setting for the Thursday issue of the journal Nature.



    The researchers speculate that a similar feeding strategy could have been used by the first vertebrates to emerge from the oceans."



    Another cool story about the wild lifeforms on our pretty little planet. One small splash for a catfish, one giant leap for dry land.
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  • Reply 33 of 38
    thttht Posts: 6,018member
    Also, don't forget the publication this week of an evolutionary explanation for a protein-binding site, a so-called irreducibly complex system. Drove Behe nuts. Hehe.
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  • Reply 34 of 38
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
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    Originally posted by Outsider

    Or a mechanism for 3 starship Enterprises to close out a series.



    Was it three or one...because those three were the same Enterprise...
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  • Reply 35 of 38
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    According to their own kind?... or not?
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  • Reply 36 of 38
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    Originally posted by Outsider

    According to their own kind?... or not?



    I have no idea what you mean, maybe I'm too tired...
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  • Reply 37 of 38
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    If snakes were 'created' why would the old fossils have pelvis' and leg vestiges?
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  • Reply 38 of 38
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    Originally posted by Outsider

    If snakes were 'created' why would the old fossils have pelvis' and leg vestiges?



    OK, but my guess is that the same devilish gremlin thai put these bones in whales put them in these snakes. Notice they are extinct? That is becuase the big G told Noah not to let them on the boat because they are the devil's work. Unfortunately, those dammed whales could swim and they survived.
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