And that's nothing. It's the Tigerton that comes after the Kentsfield that is the real kicker. This is where I hope Apple makes a break away, and makes one separate Mac pro design that uses this processor to it's fullest. *16 cores in all.
4 socket systems are are going to be $10k+ affairs. Doubtful that Apple will enter into such a market.
Quote:
I read elsewhere that Tigerton is a Quad Core Quad Socket (*16 cores) version of the Clovertown with another **bonus, but I can't find the page again that spells it out from the beginning, The best part is Tigerton also (after intel said they were dropping it before) has brought back the **ODMC on die memory controller.
It's doubtful that Intel will go with an on-die memory controller for the foreseeable future either. The eweek article doesn't mention anything about it.
Tigerton will supposedly have a new point-to-point FSB - my bet is on octo pumping - that'll allow something like 1.6 to 3.2 GHz FSB data rates, but it doesn't appear to have an ODMC. An ODMC just needlessly complicates Intel's strategy of having a common socket platform between Xeons and Itaniums. In a year or two, Intel wants to be able to plug-and-flash-the-firmware-then-play Itaniums into Xeon systems. An ODMC on ICM CPUs would kill that strategy, and as far as I can tell, they haven't given up on Itanium yet.
Intel needs their core processors out ASAP. Just came across this article where opteron just destroyed a paxville xeon. I don't think Intel can release the core chips soon enough. Link below
It's true that Intel needs to have desktop and server ICM CPUs shipping, but AnandTech knows full well that Glidewell/Bensley platforms with dual independent FSB are coming in a month or so. This platform will bring 2 socket and maybe 4 socket Pentium 4 and Xeon systems performance parity with 2 and 4 socket Athlon64/Opteron systems.
Intel's last Netburst-based Xeon processor to ever ship will be an on-chip half clock 16 MB L3 cache dual-core CPU in 2H 06. I think that'll compete with AMD 2 and 4 socket systems of that time. At least in the power and heat are no problem category.
Although remember the most likely reason Woodcrest is coming early (apart from Xeons being crucified by Opterons) is that the Workstation/Server platform is less heat sensitive than the Conroe and esp. Merom platforms (mobile). They are the first of a totally new process and running at 1333Mhz FSB I bet they wont be cool, they wont be "965EE P4" hot but they wont be cool. I would expect any 2 socket/4 core woodcrest Mac Pro to very similar in size/cooling requirements to the G5 quad (but please, dear god, let them have enough space for 3-4 hard drives)
Although remember the most likely reason Woodcrest is coming early (apart from Xeons being crucified by Opterons) is that the Workstation/Server platform is less heat sensitive than the Conroe and esp. Merom platforms (mobile). They are the first of a totally new process and running at 1333Mhz FSB I bet they wont be cool, they wont be "965EE P4" hot but they wont be cool. I would expect any 2 socket/4 core woodcrest Mac Pro to very similar in size/cooling requirements to the G5 quad (but please, dear god, let them have enough space for 3-4 hard drives)
So why do you say they wont be cooler? I thiought the whole line was restructured which ultimately gave it less power, and less heat, better performance.
I just meant that because they are running faster (3.0 and 3.33Ghz on a 1333FSB) there is going to be more heat, I thought they had a 80w or more TDP? Which isn't far off the G5...
I just meant that because they are running faster (3.0 and 3.33Ghz on a 1333FSB) there is going to be more heat, I thought they had a 80w or more TDP? Which isn't far off the G5...
85 watts. But, the cpu's they will be replacing are at 130 watt TDP. 85 compares to the Opteron.
4 socket systems are are going to be $10k+ affairs. Doubtful that Apple will enter into such a market.
Come on man! Remember when a basic Indy would run you at least US$10K?
And the DCC software (of the time) to run on said Indy would easily be 2 or 3 times that?! Just to get your toes wet?!
Apple needs to provide a monster workstation for the Shake/Motion/FCP/3D profesionals who are more concerned with time rather than money?
I am not saying Apple should plan a business model around what would have to be a extreme high cost, possible medium profit margin item, because that idea totally tanked out for Silicon Graphics in the long run; but they could do to cater towards the high end market and reap the marketing benefits?
Oh yeah, Apple also needs to produce (purchase, polish & rebrand, whatever) their own 3D software? Luxology always comes to mind?
Again,
;^p [/B]
That worked for MS. If they didn't do that, NT might never have been taken seriously as a 3D workstation. Strange that they got rid of it after they managed that.
That worked for MS. If they didn't do that, NT might never have been taken seriously as a 3D workstation. Strange that they got rid of it after they managed that.
Yeah, strange that, huh??!?
Almost like it was planned to switch DCC houses over to 'cheaper' Windows NT workstations, thereby starting the demise of Silicon Graphics?
And yeah, Softimage was foisted off on Avid when Microsoft was done using it to begin raping & pillaging the DCC market?
I have said time & again, Apple needs to become the next Silicon Graphics, just without the whole going out of business thing real soon now thing?
This is in addition to the whole ruling the consumer market thing they got going so far?
And they need to actually build the enterprise market, stupid bastards!
Like I say, Luxology is the place they ought to be?
todays XEON's are 110 watts. Paxville is 170 watts, Woodcrest is 40% less than Paxville.
AMD's Socket F Opteron is supposed to be 95 watts when that hits, but I think it's AMD's wishful thinking. Either way. Woodcrest is faster, and consumes less power.
todays XEON's are 110 watts. Paxville is 170 watts, Woodcrest is 40% less than Paxville.
AMD's Socket F Opteron is supposed to be 95 watts when that hits, but I think it's AMD's wishful thinking. Either way. Woodcrest is faster, and consumes less power.
Comments
Originally posted by MacRonin
Mmm?
(I could swear I posted this once already??!? Did we have a database failure here??!?)
Must have because I replied to this earlier.
Originally posted by onlooker
And that's nothing. It's the Tigerton that comes after the Kentsfield that is the real kicker. This is where I hope Apple makes a break away, and makes one separate Mac pro design that uses this processor to it's fullest. *16 cores in all.
4 socket systems are are going to be $10k+ affairs. Doubtful that Apple will enter into such a market.
I read elsewhere that Tigerton is a Quad Core Quad Socket (*16 cores) version of the Clovertown with another **bonus, but I can't find the page again that spells it out from the beginning, The best part is Tigerton also (after intel said they were dropping it before) has brought back the **ODMC on die memory controller.
Tigerton
It's doubtful that Intel will go with an on-die memory controller for the foreseeable future either. The eweek article doesn't mention anything about it.
Tigerton will supposedly have a new point-to-point FSB - my bet is on octo pumping - that'll allow something like 1.6 to 3.2 GHz FSB data rates, but it doesn't appear to have an ODMC. An ODMC just needlessly complicates Intel's strategy of having a common socket platform between Xeons and Itaniums. In a year or two, Intel wants to be able to plug-and-flash-the-firmware-then-play Itaniums into Xeon systems. An ODMC on ICM CPUs would kill that strategy, and as far as I can tell, they haven't given up on Itanium yet.
Originally posted by backtomac
Intel needs their core processors out ASAP. Just came across this article where opteron just destroyed a paxville xeon. I don't think Intel can release the core chips soon enough. Link below
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2745
It's true that Intel needs to have desktop and server ICM CPUs shipping, but AnandTech knows full well that Glidewell/Bensley platforms with dual independent FSB are coming in a month or so. This platform will bring 2 socket and maybe 4 socket Pentium 4 and Xeon systems performance parity with 2 and 4 socket Athlon64/Opteron systems.
Intel's last Netburst-based Xeon processor to ever ship will be an on-chip half clock 16 MB L3 cache dual-core CPU in 2H 06. I think that'll compete with AMD 2 and 4 socket systems of that time. At least in the power and heat are no problem category.
Once Woodcrest comes, yeah, whole new ball game.
Originally posted by Thereubster
Although remember the most likely reason Woodcrest is coming early (apart from Xeons being crucified by Opterons) is that the Workstation/Server platform is less heat sensitive than the Conroe and esp. Merom platforms (mobile). They are the first of a totally new process and running at 1333Mhz FSB I bet they wont be cool, they wont be "965EE P4" hot but they wont be cool. I would expect any 2 socket/4 core woodcrest Mac Pro to very similar in size/cooling requirements to the G5 quad (but please, dear god, let them have enough space for 3-4 hard drives)
So why do you say they wont be cooler? I thiought the whole line was restructured which ultimately gave it less power, and less heat, better performance.
Originally posted by Brendon
OK Apple was the first company to go to court and to then have the terms of what is and is not Vaporware revised so they can be properly found guilty.
Google->Vaporware Apple SEC
On May 30, 1991, a jury in northern California found that Apple
Computer, Inc., while promoting its Lisa computer and Twiggy disk drive
to potential consumers, had made overly optimistic statements that misled
investors under the federal securities laws. The verdict the jury rendered
would have resulted in damages exceeding $100 million. 2 Although the
trial judge ultimately set the verdict aside, 3 the point was made: potential-
ly huge securities liability can arise from statements made by corporate
officials to promote their companies' products. Nothing in the judge's
decision to set aside the verdict changed the fact that at another time and
place a jury could render an equally large verdict on similar facts.
Most securities litigation arises from securities filings describing
corporate earnings and projected financial performance. In light of Apple,
plaintiffs' class action attorneys who have previously combed annual
reports, 10-Qs, 8-Ks, etc. for overly optimistic statements following a
reported drop in earnings, now have a similarly powerful incentive to
scrutinize earlier product announcements and product press releases when
product performance does not measure up to product hype or when
products do not hit the market when promised. ~9 Even before Apple was
litigated, computer-related and other high-tech firms were more frequently
the target for securities class action suits than companies in other
industries, 2° perhaps because of the ubiquitous vaporware problem. 2t The
ruling in the Apple case thus demands that a new set of guidelines be
drawn up for the evaluation of the permissible boundaries of this product
hyping.
They aren't the first there either.
Originally posted by backtomac
Seems to me there are a lot of missing posts. Also was unable for most of the day to reply.
This has been happening a lot. I'v already discussed it with them. so far, they aren't sure why it's happening.
Originally posted by Thereubster
I just meant that because they are running faster (3.0 and 3.33Ghz on a 1333FSB) there is going to be more heat, I thought they had a 80w or more TDP? Which isn't far off the G5...
85 watts. But, the cpu's they will be replacing are at 130 watt TDP. 85 compares to the Opteron.
Originally posted by melgross
85 watts. But, the cpu's they will be replacing are at 130 watt TDP. 85 compares to the Opteron.
Errr, do you mean the P4 or the G5 is 135watts?
Originally posted by THT
4 socket systems are are going to be $10k+ affairs. Doubtful that Apple will enter into such a market.
Come on man! Remember when a basic Indy would run you at least US$10K?
And the DCC software (of the time) to run on said Indy would easily be 2 or 3 times that?! Just to get your toes wet?!
Apple needs to provide a monster workstation for the Shake/Motion/FCP/3D profesionals who are more concerned with time rather than money?
I am not saying Apple should plan a business model around what would have to be a extreme high cost, possible medium profit margin item, because that idea totally tanked out for Silicon Graphics in the long run; but they could do to cater towards the high end market and reap the marketing benefits?
Quad sockets / Quad-core CPUs / Quad SLI QuadroFXs / Quad HDDs
The Quadfecta of future DCC workstations??!? With real-time 4K capabilities??!?
;^p
Oh yeah, Apple also needs to produce (purchase, polish & rebrand, whatever) their own 3D software? Luxology always comes to mind?
Again,
;^p
Originally posted by Thereubster
Errr, do you mean the P4 or the G5 is 135watts?
The Woodcrest.
Originally posted by MacRonin
Oh yeah, Apple also needs to produce (purchase, polish & rebrand, whatever) their own 3D software? Luxology always comes to mind?
Again,
;^p [/B]
That worked for MS. If they didn't do that, NT might never have been taken seriously as a 3D workstation. Strange that they got rid of it after they managed that.
Originally posted by melgross
That worked for MS. If they didn't do that, NT might never have been taken seriously as a 3D workstation. Strange that they got rid of it after they managed that.
Yeah, strange that, huh??!?
Almost like it was planned to switch DCC houses over to 'cheaper' Windows NT workstations, thereby starting the demise of Silicon Graphics?
And yeah, Softimage was foisted off on Avid when Microsoft was done using it to begin raping & pillaging the DCC market?
I have said time & again, Apple needs to become the next Silicon Graphics, just without the whole going out of business thing real soon now thing?
This is in addition to the whole ruling the consumer market thing they got going so far?
And they need to actually build the enterprise market, stupid bastards!
Like I say, Luxology is the place they ought to be?
Originally posted by MacRonin
Yeah, strange that, huh??!?
Almost like it was planned to switch DCC houses over to 'cheaper' Windows NT workstations, thereby starting the demise of Silicon Graphics?
And yeah, Softimage was foisted off on Avid when Microsoft was done using it to begin raping & pillaging the DCC market?
I have said time & again, Apple needs to become the next Silicon Graphics, just without the whole going out of business thing real soon now thing?
This is in addition to the whole ruling the consumer market thing they got going so far?
And they need to actually build the enterprise market, stupid bastards!
Like I say, Luxology is the place they ought to be?
I've been saying the same thing. No one seems to listen apparently.
Originally posted by melgross
The Woodcrest.
The Woodcrest is not 135 watts.
One of many resources say that woodcrest is only 80 watts.
todays XEON's are 110 watts. Paxville is 170 watts, Woodcrest is 40% less than Paxville.
AMD's Socket F Opteron is supposed to be 95 watts when that hits, but I think it's AMD's wishful thinking. Either way. Woodcrest is faster, and consumes less power.
more (old) woodcrest
Kentsfield is a Clovertown for your desktop (iMac) 4 cores.
Intel Woodcrest to ship in June, Conroe July, Merom August
Originally posted by onlooker
The Woodcrest is not 135 watts.
One of many resources say that woodcrest is only 80 watts.
todays XEON's are 110 watts. Paxville is 170 watts, Woodcrest is 40% less than Paxville.
AMD's Socket F Opteron is supposed to be 95 watts when that hits, but I think it's AMD's wishful thinking. Either way. Woodcrest is faster, and consumes less power.
more (old) woodcrest
I said that the Woodcrest is 85 watts.The current Xeons are 130 - 140 watts.
The problem with this site is that it doesn't carry part of the conversation over, so that sometimes an answer is out of sync with what you see.
The question was which chip was 85 watts. I see, however, that it came out wrong, because the entire post going back is zapped.
Originally posted by onlooker
[
Intel Woodcrest to ship in June, Conroe July, Merom August
Saw that at cnnfn.com. Think I'll wait for Merom in August, although current MBPs are tempting. June and July should be VERY interesting.