WoW/OS X is much slower than WoW/Windows on MacBook Pro - why?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31121
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Placating the moderator:
Is there merit to the conclusion drawn that OS X is an inferior OS in some respects, including gaming, or is the conclusion reached by the article erroneous?
Happy?
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Weak, man.
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Placating the moderator:
Is there merit to the conclusion drawn that OS X is an inferior OS in some respects, including gaming, or is the conclusion reached by the article erroneous?
Happy?
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Weak, man.
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Originally posted by JavaCowboy
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31121
Please don't just post links without content.
A true statement would have been "World of Warcraft plays slower on OS X than Windows."
I can't help but wonder if the version of WoW he was running under OSX was not universal. I can't imagine Rosetta would handle that very well.
1) Was the copy of WoW under MacOS X Universal or not?
2) Did they happen to stop and consider, even for a *microsecond*, that the drivers for the video card are different?
I mean really, JC, that was pretty weak.
A content-free post linking to a content-free verbal spewage?
Ya gotta try harder than *that*...
Originally posted by Kickaha
[B]Yeah, talk about content-free reporting...
2) Did they happen to stop and consider, even for a *microsecond*, that the drivers for the video card are different?
That does not in any way change anything. If you have bad drivers, that's not Windows' unfair advantage. That's just OS X's (or Apple's, or ATi's, whoever writes the drivers) weakness.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Yeah, talk about content-free reporting...
1) Was the copy of WoW under MacOS X Universal or not?
2) Did they happen to stop and consider, even for a *microsecond*, that the drivers for the video card are different?
I mean really, JC, that was pretty weak.
A content-free post linking to a content-free verbal spewage?
Ya gotta try harder than *that*...
For a moderator you jump to conclusions far too quickly.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
That does not in any way change anything. If you have bad drivers, that's not Windows' unfair advantage. That's just OS X's (or Apple's, or ATi's, whoever writes the drivers) weakness.
You're right. But it doesn't mean that one *OS* is slower than the other, it only means that the *drivers* are slower than the other on that task.
The article is still ill-thought out drivel based on a fact-light informal post on Penny Arcade. It was just designed to get hits, is all.
I mean heck, why don't we compare how long it takes to copy a file on the same volume, and then make grandiose sweeping statements about network speeds?
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
For a moderator you jump to conclusions far too quickly.
Oh please. I read the article, *and* the original PA post, before commenting. It's content-free, and doesn't provide enough info to make any conclusions at all, one way or the other.
As for the rest...
Posting Guidelines. Again.
9. Be descriptive with the title of new threads. Do not start a thread with an ambiguous title like "Guess what..." and then use the text portion of the post to explain. Give your post a headline. This courtesy is especially appreciated in the more highly trafficked forums. Furthermore, threads with no original content will not be allowed. Do not post a link or quote an article while contributing little to nothing of your own.
Edit your original post, or this gets locked, like it should have been in the first place.
Here, I've done JavaCowboy's homework: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&tmp=1#post224
I told his teacher too...so he's getting a zero.
This "comparison" is completely useless. These guys apparently do not even realize that they are comparing two different source codes.
I would never expect a cross-platform port of anything to be faster than the original that was written for its platform.
Originally posted by Kickaha
I mean heck, why don't we compare how long it takes to copy a file on the same volume, and then make grandiose sweeping statements about network speeds?
Don't get him started on how OS X takes 20 minutes to do a simple 20 MB file copy.
Originally posted by kim kap sol
There's an issue with full screen glow in WoW for Mac that cuts frame rate nearly in half...for fuck's sake, how many of these exact same threads will be started today?
Here, I've done JavaCowboy's homework: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&tmp=1#post224
I told his teacher too...so he's getting a zero.
You guys are so defensive. You all feel so threatened by the implication of the slightest imperfection in Mac/OS X, etc.
Maybe it would occur to you that the reason I posted is because I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS ISSUE AT ALL , and that I want to hear other peoples' opinions. Instead, you've all assumed that I'm out to get you... or something.
From the pattern you've established, I'm sure that if I were to ask if the Mach kernel needs further optimization to catch up vis-a-vis the Windows or Linux kernels, you'd probably have a conniption.
You need to lighten up. Seriously.
Edit: Yeah, I know I should have put a question mark in the title, but from what I see (I could be wrong) it's not possible to edit the title of the thread.
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
You guys are so defensive. You all feel so threatened by the implication of the slightest imperfection in Mac/OS X, etc.
Maybe it would occur to you that the reason I posted is because I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS ISSUE AT ALL , and that I want to hear other peoples' opinions. Instead, you've all assumed that I'm out to get you... or something.
From the pattern you've established, I'm sure that if I were to ask if the Mach kernel needs further optimization to catch up vis-a-vis the Windows or Linux kernels, you'd probably have a conniption.
You need to lighten up. Seriously.
Edit: Yeah, I know I should have put a question mark in the title, but from what I see (I could be wrong) it's not possible to edit the title of the thread.
Hey...I'm not the one bolding and capitalizing entire phrases. Are *you* ok?
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Hey...I'm not the one bolding and capitalizing entire phrases. Are *you* ok?
Uh...emphasis, and for those with short attention spans?
Mac on Intel could help because developers will now be able to test and optimize builds on the same machine but since Mactel is just out, you can't expect instant results.
Also, if it wasn't a universal binary they used, then it speaks for itself. Benchmarks are generally unreliable especially when they are presented in such an ambiguous way.
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
You guys are so defensive. You all feel so threatened by the implication of the slightest imperfection in Mac/OS X, etc...and that I want to hear other peoples' opinions. Instead, you've all assumed that I'm out to get you... or something.
You did say, in your first post:
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
Is there merit to the conclusion drawn that OS X is an inferior OS in some respects, including gaming, or is the conclusion reached by the article erroneous?
I would suggest that the "defensiveness" to which you refer is simply an answer to your question. People are trying to get across (correctly) that the article is entirely devoid of merit. Yes, Mac OS X can be slow at gaming sometimes. Is it right to test one game on one mac running OS X and Windows, see that the game is slower on OS X, and then conclude that OS X is "slower than Windows"? No, of course it isn't.
The only thing you can conclude is that OS X is slower at running that particular game. That could be OS X's fault, or it could be the game's fault.
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
Uh...emphasis, and for those with short attention spans?
As I understand it, "cap locks" on an online forum is equivalent to shouting. Some people consider it to be impolite.
Originally posted by JavaCowboy
You guys are so defensive. You all feel so threatened by the implication of the slightest imperfection in Mac/OS X, etc.
Hardly. I've got my own hitlist of things wrong in the OS. This was simply a facts/logic issue. WoW is a lot slower. That's true. Jumping to 'the OS is slower' without any qualifiers, parameters, or such is fallacious. That's all.
It's a lot more interesting to deduce *why* than to make sweeping generalizations that aren't really founded in reality, isn't it?
Maybe it would occur to you that the reason I posted is because I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS ISSUE AT ALL , and that I want to hear other peoples' opinions. Instead, you've all assumed that I'm out to get you... or something.
See, now *that* would have been a great thing to put in your first post: "Anyone have any ideas on why there's this huge slowdown??"
From the pattern you've established, I'm sure that if I were to ask if the Mach kernel needs further optimization to catch up vis-a-vis the Windows or Linux kernels, you'd probably have a conniption.
Naw, we'd trot out funnels and point at them and laugh with you.
Edit: Yeah, I know I should have put a question mark in the title, but from what I see (I could be wrong) it's not possible to edit the title of the thread.
I got it for you. Actually, I edited it to have both the factual info (and even added the word 'much' because, yeah, 50% the FPS is much slower), without the conclusions the article jumped to, and added a question to prod discussion. *whew*
Work, work, work.