I don't think you guys realize how much Dell sucks. They've missed their quarterly earnings twice in a row now. If Dell doesn't make changes soon that seriously affect how they do business they will be overtaken by HP within a couple of years.
Finally! I've been waiting for the person that doesn't need someone to spell it out for them. I've been talking in circles for 3 pages waiting for it, and the most obvious answer is right in front of everyone, and hmurchison pops his head in, and starts to reveal it in one post. It figures
Why is Apple going to help DELL. who has done nothing but criticize Apple for years, but now is kissing their ass because they know Apple is in a position to take another major chunk of their sales? Apple is beefing up to kick their ass not hand them the biggest key to their success.
Let's just give PC users a dual booting option on Mac's that can potentially make us billions, and give us a huge boost in market-share that will keep expanding for years to come, or, hand it to DELL our biggest rival who has done nothing but bad mouth our products, and incidentally is loosing their customers to us because we have this option?
Why is Apple going to help DELL. who has done nothing but criticize Apple for years, but now is kissing their ass because they know Apple is in a position to take another major chunk of their sales? Apple is beefing up to kick their ass not hand them the biggest key to their success.
Apple killled clones for a very good reason, they did not expand market share and took buisness away from Apple's hardware sales which was not compensated for in the revenure gained from software licenses from the clone manufacturers. Zoon ahead to today, Apple's market share is growin in a much larger market than it was 10 years ago. It only makes sense that at some time Apple may need to find a partner to help supply growing demand for their computers. Who are the logical partners in such a venture, Dell and Sony come to mind. Sony's "Persona" in the market is too similar to Apples so Dell may be a better fit unless Sony is willing to offer other concessions to Apple. I'm not saying that this will happen, or that it will happen in the next 5 years, but I wouldn't say never because Apple was never going to go over to Intel either, but look what happened.
Apple killled clones for a very good reason, they did not expand market share and took buisness away from Apple's hardware sales which was not compensated for in the revenure gained from software licenses from the clone manufacturers. Zoon ahead to today, Apple's market share is growin in a much larger market than it was 10 years ago. It only makes sense that at some time Apple may need to find a partner to help supply growing demand for their computers. Who are the logical partners in such a venture, Dell and Sony come to mind. Sony's "Persona" in the market is too similar to Apples so Dell may be a better fit unless Sony is willing to offer other concessions to Apple. I'm not saying that this will happen, or that it will happen in the next 5 years, but I wouldn't say never because Apple was never going to go over to Intel either, but look what happened.
They have already partners in the manufacturers who built their computers. What has Dell to offer that Apple can't do it self?
well im far from an expert but if apple can get windows to work on a mac via boot camp cant dell get OSX to work on a dell through there own bootcamp type program?
That theory fails because of the EULA!
Mac OS X MUST run on Apple hardware!
If Dell pulled that then they would Steve would p0wn Dell.
The only thing that I can think of is licensing Tiger to Dell.
Apple would always be at least 2 OS versions ahead of what they license to the PC Boxen. Also, there would be no support from Apple your support would only come from your mfr.
They have already partners in the manufacturers who built their computers. What has Dell to offer that Apple can't do it self?
I agree. Apple is more than doubling the size of their campus to accommodate their personnel growth in the past 5 years, and also to accommodate more in anticipation of their expected expansion in the near future.
Their big partner to make them more machines is intel. That is the #1 reason why Apple went to intel, because no one else could help them with their supply and demand woes. Intel just expanded their production facilities, and this is why intel has Apple working in house with them, and intel's own team Apple at their facilities designing motherboards etc etc... in collaboration with Apple. They are Apples high production partner. I think Apple is better off taking this one step at a time. Intel, or Apple can always expand more, or reach out further if necessary.
I can't see that. Apple's big push for selling its hardware is all the extra goodies. iLife and OS X and the other built-in apps (Safari/iChat/etc) are it's only selling points for the Mac besides the looks. iLife is the most noticeable to non-geeks.
Apple is fighting the label "another PC company" as vigorously as possible. iLife is one of the major distingushers, they won't let it go easily.
well im not saying to make it free like it is when u buy a new mac. but i bet they would make a shitload of money if they made a windows version. well honestly the only one i use is iphoto i think its the best photo organizing program out there. but id love it if it worked on my regular home computer
i use it on my ibook. but i cant use a mac all the time. just for begginers aol & aim versions for mac suck! ive been using windows since i was like 8 way back when windows 95 was a big deal...i just cant get use to OSX as wonderful as it is.
I just wanted to clarify that my original post wasn't intended as an endorsement of a MacDell. I hate Dell and would never, under normal circumstances, buy another desktop computer from them. I prefer to build my own. A MacDell might be tempting if the price was reasonable but even then I would have to hold my nose while I buy it. What I do want is an expandable desktop Mac, where I can swap out components as necessary. Because Dell only uses Intel CPUs and chipsets (Alienware aside) all they would have to do is obtain the licence from Apple and adopt EFI (which they'll probably do anyway). While I would love to be able to purchase OS X and install it on whatever hardware I personally assemble, that would probably not be a good decision for Apple, at least not at this point.
So...my first choice would be an Apple overclockable motherboard/OS X combo. Maybe a barebone? They could charge more for a barebone than a mini and make even more money out of it. A Shuttle killer. The mini itself would be a good alternative if it was designed to allow user upgrades. A simple eSATA port or easy memory/hard disk upgrades, like the MacBook, would work wonders. My second choice would be a regular desktop Mac that I could open up to install upgrades. A MacDell would be that sort of Mac, but so would a MacPro, which is why I'll probably end up getting one of those. My year-long urge to switch to Mac will end up costing me well over US$2000 but even at that price it should be worth it. Returning to the Mac after a 15 year hiatus should be very exciting. But if Apple wants to increase market share they will have to look at all segments of the market, including the enthusiast crowd. And they, at the very least, expect better BTO options and some measure of expandability.
A barebones would be a disaster for Apple. Shops would buy the barebones, add a huge HDD, RAM, and a sweet video card and undersell the iMac/MacPro by hundreds of dollars for basically the same thing. We have to just deal with Apple's large margins, because that's what funds OS X development, which we'll see pay off in August, I hope.
A barebones would be a disaster for Apple. Shops would buy the barebones, add a huge HDD, RAM, and a sweet video card and undersell the iMac/MacPro by hundreds of dollars for basically the same thing. We have to just deal with Apple's large margins, because that's what funds OS X development, which we'll see pay off in August, I hope.
1. So it's okay that Apple is ripping people off?
2. Oh, I thought the virtually mandatory $129 every year or so paid for that. How wrong I must be.
2. Oh, I thought the virtually mandatory $129 every year or so paid for that. How wrong I must be.
Fact is windows is the only platform that DOESNT evolve this fast! linux, MacOS, and the like have new versions all of the time! And upgrades are not mandatory!
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Originally posted by hmurchison
I don't think you guys realize how much Dell sucks. They've missed their quarterly earnings twice in a row now. If Dell doesn't make changes soon that seriously affect how they do business they will be overtaken by HP within a couple of years.
Finally! I've been waiting for the person that doesn't need someone to spell it out for them. I've been talking in circles for 3 pages waiting for it, and the most obvious answer is right in front of everyone, and hmurchison pops his head in, and starts to reveal it in one post. It figures
Why is Apple going to help DELL. who has done nothing but criticize Apple for years, but now is kissing their ass because they know Apple is in a position to take another major chunk of their sales? Apple is beefing up to kick their ass not hand them the biggest key to their success.
Let's just give PC users a dual booting option on Mac's that can potentially make us billions, and give us a huge boost in market-share that will keep expanding for years to come, or, hand it to DELL our biggest rival who has done nothing but bad mouth our products, and incidentally is loosing their customers to us because we have this option?
Originally posted by onlooker
Why is Apple going to help DELL. who has done nothing but criticize Apple for years, but now is kissing their ass because they know Apple is in a position to take another major chunk of their sales? Apple is beefing up to kick their ass not hand them the biggest key to their success.
Apple killled clones for a very good reason, they did not expand market share and took buisness away from Apple's hardware sales which was not compensated for in the revenure gained from software licenses from the clone manufacturers. Zoon ahead to today, Apple's market share is growin in a much larger market than it was 10 years ago. It only makes sense that at some time Apple may need to find a partner to help supply growing demand for their computers. Who are the logical partners in such a venture, Dell and Sony come to mind. Sony's "Persona" in the market is too similar to Apples so Dell may be a better fit unless Sony is willing to offer other concessions to Apple. I'm not saying that this will happen, or that it will happen in the next 5 years, but I wouldn't say never because Apple was never going to go over to Intel either, but look what happened.
I'd say a decent partnership would be
Lenovo on the lowend and HP on the midrange and high end. If the unthinkable happened and Apple again allowed clones.
Dell wouldn't be bad...but they wouldn't be good qualitatively speaking.
Originally posted by @homenow
Apple killled clones for a very good reason, they did not expand market share and took buisness away from Apple's hardware sales which was not compensated for in the revenure gained from software licenses from the clone manufacturers. Zoon ahead to today, Apple's market share is growin in a much larger market than it was 10 years ago. It only makes sense that at some time Apple may need to find a partner to help supply growing demand for their computers. Who are the logical partners in such a venture, Dell and Sony come to mind. Sony's "Persona" in the market is too similar to Apples so Dell may be a better fit unless Sony is willing to offer other concessions to Apple. I'm not saying that this will happen, or that it will happen in the next 5 years, but I wouldn't say never because Apple was never going to go over to Intel either, but look what happened.
They have already partners in the manufacturers who built their computers. What has Dell to offer that Apple can't do it self?
Originally posted by shady104
well im far from an expert but if apple can get windows to work on a mac via boot camp cant dell get OSX to work on a dell through there own bootcamp type program?
That theory fails because of the EULA!
Mac OS X MUST run on Apple hardware!
If Dell pulled that then they would Steve would p0wn Dell.
The only thing that I can think of is licensing Tiger to Dell.
Apple would always be at least 2 OS versions ahead of what they license to the PC Boxen. Also, there would be no support from Apple your support would only come from your mfr.
Originally posted by gar
They have already partners in the manufacturers who built their computers. What has Dell to offer that Apple can't do it self?
I agree. Apple is more than doubling the size of their campus to accommodate their personnel growth in the past 5 years, and also to accommodate more in anticipation of their expected expansion in the near future.
Their big partner to make them more machines is intel. That is the #1 reason why Apple went to intel, because no one else could help them with their supply and demand woes. Intel just expanded their production facilities, and this is why intel has Apple working in house with them, and intel's own team Apple at their facilities designing motherboards etc etc... in collaboration with Apple. They are Apples high production partner. I think Apple is better off taking this one step at a time. Intel, or Apple can always expand more, or reach out further if necessary.
Apple is fighting the label "another PC company" as vigorously as possible. iLife is one of the major distingushers, they won't let it go easily.
Originally posted by shady104
even if we dont see osx on dells i would love to see ilife for windows. and i dont mean a microsoft knock-off.
Why do you want to see it on windows? Just use a Mac.
So...my first choice would be an Apple overclockable motherboard/OS X combo. Maybe a barebone? They could charge more for a barebone than a mini and make even more money out of it. A Shuttle killer. The mini itself would be a good alternative if it was designed to allow user upgrades. A simple eSATA port or easy memory/hard disk upgrades, like the MacBook, would work wonders. My second choice would be a regular desktop Mac that I could open up to install upgrades. A MacDell would be that sort of Mac, but so would a MacPro, which is why I'll probably end up getting one of those. My year-long urge to switch to Mac will end up costing me well over US$2000 but even at that price it should be worth it. Returning to the Mac after a 15 year hiatus should be very exciting. But if Apple wants to increase market share they will have to look at all segments of the market, including the enthusiast crowd. And they, at the very least, expect better BTO options and some measure of expandability.
Originally posted by ZachPruckowski
A barebones would be a disaster for Apple. Shops would buy the barebones, add a huge HDD, RAM, and a sweet video card and undersell the iMac/MacPro by hundreds of dollars for basically the same thing. We have to just deal with Apple's large margins, because that's what funds OS X development, which we'll see pay off in August, I hope.
1. So it's okay that Apple is ripping people off?
2. Oh, I thought the virtually mandatory $129 every year or so paid for that. How wrong I must be.
Originally posted by onlooker
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[*] The Mouse. Another abandoned technology - Bill Gates said was silly. [*] FireWire
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wow, lets hope they dont take another 20 years off if Jobs retires...
Originally posted by Placebo
1. So it's okay that Apple is ripping people off?
2. Oh, I thought the virtually mandatory $129 every year or so paid for that. How wrong I must be.
Fact is windows is the only platform that DOESNT evolve this fast! linux, MacOS, and the like have new versions all of the time! And upgrades are not mandatory!