That's funny. I used a Windows PC my whole life and switched to Mac in December. I never needed Windows to smooth my transition. In fact, I threw my old PC out around a month ago because it was taking up space in the corner and I wanted to put a cat bed there instead.
Not everybody uses Adium for MSN and Safari for IE. Some people need actual apps that don't exist for OS X (talk to aplenub about AutoCad for example).
What should they do, toss their job together with their PC?
WTF is wrong with that Internet Explorer in the screenshot? I'm talking specifically about the UI--look at the scroll bar. That looks just like Vista's IE, which means:
A) Screenshots are a total fake
Mac OS X is running Windows software, as IE for Mac is dead?
NOPE...one can easily change an icon in a package like FF that is open source...and there are at least a handfull of Vista-like skins floating around for FireFox...and making one ain't tough.
Not everybody uses Adium for MSN and Safari for IE. Some people need actual apps that don't exist for OS X (talk to aplenub about AutoCad for example).
What should they do, toss their job together with their PC?
First of all, who uses MSN? Everyone I know under the age of 40 uses AIM. And what does that have to do with tossing a job with a PC?
Second, many people only have computers for personal use. Even so, I use a PC at work, but not to transition myself - only because that's all that's there. There's nothing I can't do on there with a Mac since it runs MS Office. The only substitute I'd have to make is Safari or Firefox for IE.
Many potential switchers are students who don't need PC only software. No one who has a retail or food service job would be worrying about "apps that don't exist for OS X". Administrative assistants don't usually use any PC only software. Not everyone in the world is under the same circumstances, so you really can't assume that everyone has the same needs when transitioning from Windows to Mac.
To answer your question, I know a few people who use PC only apps (sucks for them) but in reality, it is not an issue for most switchers. No, the people who need to run PC software shouldn't toss their job with their PC. I never said they should. All I said was say that I didn't need Windows to hint that you shouldn't generalize by saying "people need windows to smooth the transition in mac" just because SOME people do. No one is stopping those SOME people from using a PC.
NOPE...one can easily change an icon in a package like FF that is open source...and there are at least a handfull of Vista-like skins floating around for FireFox...and making one ain't tough.
Changing icons ain't exactly rocket science. You can change the icons in any MacOS X application, not just the open source ones.
I know this doesn't mean anything but it's interesting to note that we have had Mac OS 10.4 and prior for PPC based Mac's and that Mac OS 10.5 going forward will have Intel based Mac's.
What's my point? Maybe 10.0 - 10.4 was to develop all the core OS stuff and then 10.5 - 11.0 will be a complete transition to a whole new kind of platform.
I dunno. But for some reason I have always gotten more excited about OS updates then hardware updates. Maybe that is because hardware updates are inevitable and we have a pretty good idea of what happens next but as for an OS update we have no idea how we will be computing next with what kind of technologies.
I believe the screenshots to be true and I believe that while Bootcamp will allow users to do in Leopard what their doing now with the beta version in Tiger. I also believe it will allow Mac OS X to use the Windows Kernel in a protected environment to run Windows programs inside Mac OS X, kinda like Java. Kinda. Who really needs Windows in a window, all you want it in a window for is the programs. Apple is about to go and blow away customer expectation once again when it comes to Windows support. That or this is all just one big misunderstanding. Why do people have to fake stuff and put us all on edge?
One of the rumored features is said to be OS-level integration of a geographical mapping technology, similar to Microsoft's Virtual Earth. In recent months, Microsoft has made several acquisitions aimed at bolstering its Virtual Earth division, including a buyout of Vexcel Corp.
According to sources, Apple has been working on a similar approach, but modeled after Google's Maps feature. The technology will presumably allow Leopard users to scour the globe through satellite imagery and whisk up driving directions on the drop of a dime.
I am having a hard time believing this. I can understand why MS is working so hard on it's Virtual Earth because it wants to compete with Google. But I don't know why Apple would create it's own Map service. Of course, crazier things have happened. Nobody thought Apple would create a widget system in 10.4
I'm not too excited about a potential map system from Apple... the one from Google is pretty good. Maybe they'll integrate it into iPhone and virtual community/dating... in my dreams...
Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?
Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.
Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?
Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.
I do not think these "screenies" are fakes. The windows in the about box would be a nice addition so that it gave you all of the os information for all of the operating systems that you may have on your machine. As far as IE. Wow, I hate that miserable program. But, it may be showing us that instead of rebooting into another os, which i find useless, it may allow you to have them running from within the mac os. This is what I feel that Apple must do. Having the ability to run multiple os environments on one computer is awesome for "That one program" you have to run not available on the mac platform, such as custom work software, developers, etc. But I feel that it must ultimately be under the umbrella of your main os that you use. Otherwise you become schizophrenic. As far as the transition into another user, screenshot, Apple has been using their "Cube" transition available in imovie and FCP for quite a while now. That particular transition is called "Warp", and is one of my favorites. I think they are ready for this change, as "Cube" was the coolest at the time it was implemented, now "Warp" is the coolest of its time.
I actually agree with this post.
What is one thing that Apple has had experience with that most OS's haven't? Running another OS natively under the main os... yes... I mean Classic under OS X. Apple did this extremely well... they run a full gui OS under os x... and the apps appeared to have been running as normal os x apps. At that stage OS X was kinda clunky and slow, but it's much improved now and on a lot better machines.
If OS X could run OS 9 under the hood 5 years ago, then i'm sure they can run Windows under the hood now. I say bring it on!
Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?
Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.
There will always be a performance hit. Not a big hit, but a noticeable one. If apple can pull this off correctly, people will want to make native os x apps before windows apps if the adoption of os x goes up a lot.
This could be a big thing for apple, a lot of people would only dream of running any app in the world on 1 computer. If apple can do it, i think a lot more people will be using os x... which in the end will open developers' eyes.
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Originally posted by JazzJackrabbit86
I threw my old PC out around a month ago because it was taking up space in the corner and I wanted to put a cat bed there instead.
That's some funny stuff. Welcome.
Originally posted by JazzJackrabbit86
That's funny. I used a Windows PC my whole life and switched to Mac in December. I never needed Windows to smooth my transition. In fact, I threw my old PC out around a month ago because it was taking up space in the corner and I wanted to put a cat bed there instead.
Not everybody uses Adium for MSN and Safari for IE. Some people need actual apps that don't exist for OS X (talk to aplenub about AutoCad for example).
What should they do, toss their job together with their PC?
Originally posted by Mr. Dirk
WTF is wrong with that Internet Explorer in the screenshot? I'm talking specifically about the UI--look at the scroll bar. That looks just like Vista's IE, which means:
A) Screenshots are a total fake
NOPE...one can easily change an icon in a package like FF that is open source...and there are at least a handfull of Vista-like skins floating around for FireFox...and making one ain't tough.
Originally posted by iPeon
I can't recall a time when Apple didn't outshine that OS called Windows.
Give me Win 98 2nd edition over OS 8 any day any time.
Originally posted by a_greer
Give me Win 98 2nd edition over OS 8 any day any time.
OS 8 must have sucked for you old schoolers.
Originally posted by Gene Clean
Not everybody uses Adium for MSN and Safari for IE. Some people need actual apps that don't exist for OS X (talk to aplenub about AutoCad for example).
What should they do, toss their job together with their PC?
First of all, who uses MSN? Everyone I know under the age of 40 uses AIM. And what does that have to do with tossing a job with a PC?
Second, many people only have computers for personal use. Even so, I use a PC at work, but not to transition myself - only because that's all that's there. There's nothing I can't do on there with a Mac since it runs MS Office. The only substitute I'd have to make is Safari or Firefox for IE.
Many potential switchers are students who don't need PC only software. No one who has a retail or food service job would be worrying about "apps that don't exist for OS X". Administrative assistants don't usually use any PC only software. Not everyone in the world is under the same circumstances, so you really can't assume that everyone has the same needs when transitioning from Windows to Mac.
To answer your question, I know a few people who use PC only apps (sucks for them) but in reality, it is not an issue for most switchers. No, the people who need to run PC software shouldn't toss their job with their PC. I never said they should. All I said was say that I didn't need Windows to hint that you shouldn't generalize by saying "people need windows to smooth the transition in mac" just because SOME people do. No one is stopping those SOME people from using a PC.
Originally posted by a_greer
NOPE...one can easily change an icon in a package like FF that is open source...and there are at least a handfull of Vista-like skins floating around for FireFox...and making one ain't tough.
Changing icons ain't exactly rocket science. You can change the icons in any MacOS X application, not just the open source ones.
What's my point? Maybe 10.0 - 10.4 was to develop all the core OS stuff and then 10.5 - 11.0 will be a complete transition to a whole new kind of platform.
I dunno. But for some reason I have always gotten more excited about OS updates then hardware updates. Maybe that is because hardware updates are inevitable and we have a pretty good idea of what happens next but as for an OS update we have no idea how we will be computing next with what kind of technologies.
Just my 2¢
Originally posted by a_greer
Give me Win 98 2nd edition over OS 8 any day any time.
Mac OS 8 ruled, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
Tempo and its successors brought us HFS+, long filenames, and later on, Sherlock.
Ah, good times. Read all about it.
One of the rumored features is said to be OS-level integration of a geographical mapping technology, similar to Microsoft's Virtual Earth. In recent months, Microsoft has made several acquisitions aimed at bolstering its Virtual Earth division, including a buyout of Vexcel Corp.
According to sources, Apple has been working on a similar approach, but modeled after Google's Maps feature. The technology will presumably allow Leopard users to scour the globe through satellite imagery and whisk up driving directions on the drop of a dime.
I am having a hard time believing this. I can understand why MS is working so hard on it's Virtual Earth because it wants to compete with Google. But I don't know why Apple would create it's own Map service. Of course, crazier things have happened. Nobody thought Apple would create a widget system in 10.4
Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.
Originally posted by Denmaru
Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?
Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.
My fear too. Goodbye games.
Originally posted by ReCompile
I do not think these "screenies" are fakes. The windows in the about box would be a nice addition so that it gave you all of the os information for all of the operating systems that you may have on your machine. As far as IE. Wow, I hate that miserable program. But, it may be showing us that instead of rebooting into another os, which i find useless, it may allow you to have them running from within the mac os. This is what I feel that Apple must do. Having the ability to run multiple os environments on one computer is awesome for "That one program" you have to run not available on the mac platform, such as custom work software, developers, etc. But I feel that it must ultimately be under the umbrella of your main os that you use. Otherwise you become schizophrenic. As far as the transition into another user, screenshot, Apple has been using their "Cube" transition available in imovie and FCP for quite a while now. That particular transition is called "Warp", and is one of my favorites. I think they are ready for this change, as "Cube" was the coolest at the time it was implemented, now "Warp" is the coolest of its time.
I actually agree with this post.
What is one thing that Apple has had experience with that most OS's haven't? Running another OS natively under the main os... yes... I mean Classic under OS X. Apple did this extremely well... they run a full gui OS under os x... and the apps appeared to have been running as normal os x apps. At that stage OS X was kinda clunky and slow, but it's much improved now and on a lot better machines.
If OS X could run OS 9 under the hood 5 years ago, then i'm sure they can run Windows under the hood now. I say bring it on!
Originally posted by Denmaru
Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?
Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.
There will always be a performance hit. Not a big hit, but a noticeable one. If apple can pull this off correctly, people will want to make native os x apps before windows apps if the adoption of os x goes up a lot.
This could be a big thing for apple, a lot of people would only dream of running any app in the world on 1 computer. If apple can do it, i think a lot more people will be using os x... which in the end will open developers' eyes.
Originally posted by JazzJackrabbit86
First of all, who uses MSN? Everyone I know under the age of 40 uses AIM. And what does that have to do with tossing a job with a PC?
People in countries other than the US, people with friends in countries other than the US...