I think Apple stops ordering the slower chips, then lets them run out while switching to a faster processor in its products. Dell also operates in very much a just in time basis keeping no more than a week or two's worth of processors on hand.
I could have sworn dell was still selling Pentium 2 400's... hmm, maybe it just seems that way...
Steve: "Oh, and one more thing... for the last five years, just in case things didn't work out between Apple and Intel, we developed a version of OSX that runs on AMD chips"...
And in a related story---
"AMD seen close to $5.5 billion chip deal
Source says Applied Micro Devices could announce deal with #2 Canadian chipmaker as early as Monday."
Back when Cyrix was around the x86 version ran in the labs on that as well. Of course AMD works. NeXT/Apple learned long ago to never back themselves into a corner.
You heard somewhat wrong. Merom will do more for less power, but merom has a few more watts on the max power rating, something like 34W vs. Yonah's 31W. The data sheets aren't up yet, but I don't expect the idle power consumption to go down, though maybe average power might go down if the load doesn't just peak out like some OS X networking software waiting for a server response, the most notable example is iTunes, when it updates podcasts.
I wonder if they'll give the merom MBP a new enclosure. The current one has been around for awhile.
I wonder if they'll give the merom MBP a new enclosure. The current one has been around for awhile.
I'm wondering that as well. Obviously they kept the basic PowerBook G4 enclosure for the MacBook Pro because they were in a rush to get the Intel transition moving. I'm sure they have been working on a new enclosure for it along side the MacBook so hopefully they are now ready to use it. On the other hand Merom is pin compatible so they could just take the easy way out.
I don't think there's a mobile x1900 available yet. But the x1800 has been out for about as long as the MBP, so I REALLY think it's time to upgrade the GFX card already.
Something that scares me about apple is . . . they do not have a budget line to rid themselves of excess stock, of Yonah chips if they wanted to use Merom, and Conroe. Dell has the dimension 1000 series and small business line...Do you think they will just push Yonah down to the Mini and eMac? This would make sense.
Huh? Their commitment to Intel on the Yonah Solo is probably quite sensible since it only goes into the lowest end Mac, the Mac Mini Core Solo.
The Yonah Core Duos, assuming they've committed to even something like 6 months, that inventory will be easy-peasy to finish off - by keeping the Yonah Core Duos in the Mac Mini Core Duo, MacBook, and iMac EDU version. If MacBookPros and iMac go Merom fast (in the next few months) then the higher speed Yonahs (2.16ghz) can be offered at a slight premium to MacBook buyers to clear those out. Or 2.16ghz Yonah and 2ghz Yonah offered to "MacBook standard" buyers, 1.83ghz Yonah cleared out via possible price drops on Mac Mini Core Duo and "MacBook low end". Once they clear out the Mac Mini Core Solo we could even see in the next few months ALL Mac Minis be Core Duo through to the end of the year.
I think Intel in its aggressive push won't be holding Apple back though, they'll be quite generous to Apple in the sense of "okay, we'll drain out your Yonah chips in the next two months then bump you up to Merom" or something like that.
The Intel-Apple partnership is looking good so I think it is very unlikely Apple will be left with its thumb up its a$$ sitting on a whole mountain of outdated Yonahs. Wow. My imagery is quite stunning, no?
Something that scares me about apple is . . . they do not have a budget line to rid themselves of excess stock, of Yonah chips if they wanted to use Merom, and Conroe. Dell has the dimension 1000 series and small business line.
Do you think they will just push Yonah down to the Mini and eMac? This would make sense.
I'd like to see Apple broaden out their product line - but if they simply chose to sell superceded MacBook Pros with a 20% discount until they sold out, I'm sure they'd sell easily.
Obviously they kept the basic PowerBook G4 enclosure for the MacBook Pro because they were in a rush to get the Intel transition moving. I'm sure they have been working on a new enclosure for it along side the MacBook so hopefully they are now ready to use it. On the other hand Merom is pin compatible so they could just take the easy way out.
I don't think they kept the MacBook Pro enclosure because they were in a rush... it just doesn't make sense.
However, I do think there's a good chance of a new enclosure coming along. Apple kept the enclosures the same for ALL their products' Intel switch (so far)... and the average consumer felt just that little bit safer (IMO). That's not required in the 2nd generation.
Apparently Michael Smell himself called Billy Boy last night and chewed his ass but good. And you know what? You think this is bad? Q3 and Q4 are gonna look like downtown Beirut compared to this. These morons have nothing to sell."
ROFLMAO The Beirut reference is so not politically correct but funny as hell... Sigh. Waiting on Vista to show up to drive PC sales is like waiting for your kickboxing- marathon-running great-grand-aunt to die so you can pick up some inheritance. Vista is going to be, if not already, the most constipated piece of overpromised bloatware ever to come out of Redmond. Even if Michael Dell was really riding Bill's ass hard, Dell's not going to make thing go any faster, are they?
Better cooling system - is water cooling possible in a notebook?
Did we get a PowerBook G5 last year? Do the radiators go on the back of the screen? How about the asbestos layer on the palm rests? Somehow, I think if it were possible we would have seen it, and SOMETHING serious had to be behind the move to higher performance per watt as the mantra of the Intel transition. So, in a word: hell no. In a sentence: a Christmas general release for Vista, and PlayStation 3's coming with Leopard preinstalled are both more likely.
I don't think they kept the MacBook Pro enclosure because they were in a rush... it just doesn't make sense.
However, I do think there's a good chance of a new enclosure coming along. Apple kept the enclosures the same for ALL their products' Intel switch (so far)... and the average consumer felt just that little bit safer (IMO). That's not required in the 2nd generation.
DOH! MacBook!
Also MBP was apparently 3mm thinner! Which apparently is really important.....
New MBP must have replaceable HD's for me - to keep up with spanky MB's. Perhaps, after countless hours of re-engineerig they put back the 3mm width the DL burning and the FW800..?... But give buyers the Black option...
Also MBP was apparently 3mm thinner! Which apparently is really important.....
It also grew 11mm and 3mm in size.
Quote:
New MBP must have replaceable HD's for me - to keep up with spanky MB's. Perhaps, after countless hours of re-engineerig they put back the 3mm width the DL burning and the FW800..?...
Indeed, would be nice to have a better enginered and more feature rich MacBook Pro.
Quote:
But give buyers the Black option...
As in "Black anodized aluminium" or as in "Black plastics"?
Don't get me wrong. I like the guy. But the moment I knew that Microsoft was truly doomed was when they announced they were putting Ozzie in charge. Hello, Microsoft? Have you looked at a calendar lately? You do realize that the year is 2006? Now you've got Mr. Lotus Notes who's gonna drag you kicking and screaming into the 1980s. I mean, Notes was a cool product -- in 1985. But do you not realize that your own marketing people have spent the past 10 years telling everyone what a bloated horrible piece of shizzle Notes is? And Groove. Man. Don't get me started. What is it? Who the frig knows? Oh, the CIA uses it to track bad guys. Great. There's a good reference customer for you. The guys who a) don't talk to the press; and b) have basically frigged up everything they've touched in the past 5 years. Microsoft, you need someone more evil in charge. Like Charles Wang of CA. I'm pretty sure he's not going to jail."
"Steve Jobs" reveals more: "Then, like two months ago, or whenever they announced that Vista is gonna slip into 2007 -- and believe me, we're talking waaaaay into 2007 -- I set up a meeting with Gates and I'm like, Dude, I've got OS X working on an Intel processor. Why don't you just drop this piece of crap Vista code base and just roll over to OS X? Forget the OS business and move up the stack into ERP apps or whatever. I mean, I've got it right here, Unix based, solid as a friggin rock, nice user interface, all wrapped up with a bow on it, I've even ported it to Intel for you, I mean what more do I have to do? It's like I'm teetering next to you at the bar in my miniskirt and high heels and opening one button after another on my blouse and telling you, Dude, I am soooooo wasted, let's go to your place and take some Roofies -- and you just don't friggin get it! I mean, you've got thousands of drones slaving away trying to make a knock-off of my operating system! Why? I'll friggin give it to you, okay? Or not quite give but you know. The dollars can work themselves out, as my friend Michael Ovitz (who totally loves our new MacBook Pro) likes to say. Gates just sat there rocking back and forth in his chair and then said in this really low voice that he was gonna stick to Windows. I thought maybe he was gonna cry. Because it was clear that he knew how frigged he is. I mean, he's seen the code. He knows it won't run. I swear, I felt almost sorry for him. Almost."
The best part is that he tries to get the line "I invented the friggin iPod, OK? Have you heard of it? I thought so." slipped in seamlessly in almost every post.
Okay, last one from the blog, I swear.
"And I have a totally cool house and no, you cannot come over, in fact you cannot even know where my house is located, and I have so much money that I can't even remember how much of it there is, but it's a lot, not that I care, because I don't, I could wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills and not even care, that's how little I care about money. And in fact I actually did that once. The ass thing, I mean. Seriously. I used to feel guilty about how much money I have because there is just so friggin much of it, but one day I was meditating and I'm sitting there moaning my syllable or whatever and it occurs to me that, Shit, man, guilt is just, like, this huge energy blocker and it's just so totally negative and it just really frigs up your creativity, which is what I'm all about, in fact, is the creativity. So then I just opened my eyes and came out of my trance and I said, out loud, in this really booming voice, to this imaginary like critic guy that I imagined was standing there criticizing me for having too much money or whatever, I just shouted right at him, as loud as I could: Frig you, ass-munch, because I'm smarter than you, and I deserve this. And you know that? It felt friggin great. It was liberating. Two days later I woke up and invented iTunes. True story."
Comments
Originally posted by MacCentric
I think Apple stops ordering the slower chips, then lets them run out while switching to a faster processor in its products. Dell also operates in very much a just in time basis keeping no more than a week or two's worth of processors on hand.
I could have sworn dell was still selling Pentium 2 400's... hmm, maybe it just seems that way...
Originally posted by SpamSandwich
Steve: "Oh, and one more thing... for the last five years, just in case things didn't work out between Apple and Intel, we developed a version of OSX that runs on AMD chips"...
And in a related story---
"AMD seen close to $5.5 billion chip deal
Source says Applied Micro Devices could announce deal with #2 Canadian chipmaker as early as Monday."
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/21/tech...reut/index.htm
Back when Cyrix was around the x86 version ran in the labs on that as well. Of course AMD works. NeXT/Apple learned long ago to never back themselves into a corner.
Originally posted by SpamSandwich
And in a related story---
"AMD seen close to $5.5 billion chip deal
Source says Applied Micro Devices could announce deal with #2 Canadian chipmaker as early as Monday."
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/21/tech...reut/index.htm
Isn't that Advanced Micro Devices?
Originally posted by JeffDM
You heard somewhat wrong. Merom will do more for less power, but merom has a few more watts on the max power rating, something like 34W vs. Yonah's 31W. The data sheets aren't up yet, but I don't expect the idle power consumption to go down, though maybe average power might go down if the load doesn't just peak out like some OS X networking software waiting for a server response, the most notable example is iTunes, when it updates podcasts.
I wonder if they'll give the merom MBP a new enclosure. The current one has been around for awhile.
Originally posted by pak150
I wonder if they'll give the merom MBP a new enclosure. The current one has been around for awhile.
I'm wondering that as well. Obviously they kept the basic PowerBook G4 enclosure for the MacBook Pro because they were in a rush to get the Intel transition moving. I'm sure they have been working on a new enclosure for it along side the MacBook so hopefully they are now ready to use it. On the other hand Merom is pin compatible so they could just take the easy way out.
Magnetic Latch (like MB)
DL Superdrive across the line
FW800
Better video card - X1900???
Better cooling system - is water cooling possible in a notebook?
Bigger HDD's (100gb, 120gb, 160gb)
More battery life
I hope Apple reduces the power usage to 75 watts, instead of the current 85 watts - for airplane use.
Something that scares me about apple is . . . they do not have a budget line to rid themselves of excess stock, of Yonah chips if they wanted to use Merom, and Conroe. Dell has the dimension 1000 series and small business line...Do you think they will just push Yonah down to the Mini and eMac? This would make sense.
Huh? Their commitment to Intel on the Yonah Solo is probably quite sensible since it only goes into the lowest end Mac, the Mac Mini Core Solo.
The Yonah Core Duos, assuming they've committed to even something like 6 months, that inventory will be easy-peasy to finish off - by keeping the Yonah Core Duos in the Mac Mini Core Duo, MacBook, and iMac EDU version. If MacBookPros and iMac go Merom fast (in the next few months) then the higher speed Yonahs (2.16ghz) can be offered at a slight premium to MacBook buyers to clear those out. Or 2.16ghz Yonah and 2ghz Yonah offered to "MacBook standard" buyers, 1.83ghz Yonah cleared out via possible price drops on Mac Mini Core Duo and "MacBook low end". Once they clear out the Mac Mini Core Solo we could even see in the next few months ALL Mac Minis be Core Duo through to the end of the year.
I think Intel in its aggressive push won't be holding Apple back though, they'll be quite generous to Apple in the sense of "okay, we'll drain out your Yonah chips in the next two months then bump you up to Merom" or something like that.
The Intel-Apple partnership is looking good so I think it is very unlikely Apple will be left with its thumb up its a$$ sitting on a whole mountain of outdated Yonahs. Wow. My imagery is quite stunning, no?
Originally posted by furious_
Something that scares me about apple is . . . they do not have a budget line to rid themselves of excess stock, of Yonah chips if they wanted to use Merom, and Conroe. Dell has the dimension 1000 series and small business line.
Do you think they will just push Yonah down to the Mini and eMac? This would make sense.
I'd like to see Apple broaden out their product line - but if they simply chose to sell superceded MacBook Pros with a 20% discount until they sold out, I'm sure they'd sell easily.
Originally posted by 1984
Obviously they kept the basic PowerBook G4 enclosure for the MacBook Pro because they were in a rush to get the Intel transition moving. I'm sure they have been working on a new enclosure for it along side the MacBook so hopefully they are now ready to use it. On the other hand Merom is pin compatible so they could just take the easy way out.
I don't think they kept the MacBook Pro enclosure because they were in a rush... it just doesn't make sense.
However, I do think there's a good chance of a new enclosure coming along. Apple kept the enclosures the same for ALL their products' Intel switch (so far)... and the average consumer felt just that little bit safer (IMO). That's not required in the 2nd generation.
"Originally posted by Steve Jobs
Apparently Michael Smell himself called Billy Boy last night and chewed his ass but good. And you know what? You think this is bad? Q3 and Q4 are gonna look like downtown Beirut compared to this. These morons have nothing to sell."
ROFLMAO
Quote:
The Beirut reference is so not politically correct but funny as hell...
Yeah... I'd have preferred something like "are gonna look like the World Trade Center on 9/12/2001".
Originally posted by philby
Yeah... I'd have preferred something like "are gonna look like the World Trade Center on 9/12/2001".
Hey it wasn't me, it was "Steve" who said it. He can be quite colourful at times.
http://secretdiaryofstevejobs.blogspot.com/
Originally posted by dansgil
Better cooling system - is water cooling possible in a notebook?
Did we get a PowerBook G5 last year? Do the radiators go on the back of the screen? How about the asbestos layer on the palm rests? Somehow, I think if it were possible we would have seen it, and SOMETHING serious had to be behind the move to higher performance per watt as the mantra of the Intel transition. So, in a word: hell no. In a sentence: a Christmas general release for Vista, and PlayStation 3's coming with Leopard preinstalled are both more likely.
Originally posted by GregAlexander
I don't think they kept the MacBook Pro enclosure because they were in a rush... it just doesn't make sense.
However, I do think there's a good chance of a new enclosure coming along. Apple kept the enclosures the same for ALL their products' Intel switch (so far)... and the average consumer felt just that little bit safer (IMO). That's not required in the 2nd generation.
DOH! MacBook!
Also MBP was apparently 3mm thinner! Which apparently is really important.....
New MBP must have replaceable HD's for me - to keep up with spanky MB's. Perhaps, after countless hours of re-engineerig they put back the 3mm width the DL burning and the FW800..?... But give buyers the Black option...
Originally posted by OfficerDigby
DOH! MacBook!
Also MBP was apparently 3mm thinner! Which apparently is really important.....
It also grew 11mm and 3mm in size.
New MBP must have replaceable HD's for me - to keep up with spanky MB's. Perhaps, after countless hours of re-engineerig they put back the 3mm width the DL burning and the FW800..?...
Indeed, would be nice to have a better enginered and more feature rich MacBook Pro.
But give buyers the Black option...
As in "Black anodized aluminium" or as in "Black plastics"?
Hey it wasn't me, it was "Steve" who said it. He can be quite colourful at times.
http://secretdiaryofstevejobs.blogspot.com/
"Steve" is on a roll. FINALLLY someone else talks about WHAT A PIECE OF ABSOLUTE GARBAGE Lotus Notes is. And I just read up about "Groove" (http://www.microsoft.com/office/groove/default.mspx)
"Ray Ozzie. Uh, right.
Don't get me wrong. I like the guy. But the moment I knew that Microsoft was truly doomed was when they announced they were putting Ozzie in charge. Hello, Microsoft? Have you looked at a calendar lately? You do realize that the year is 2006? Now you've got Mr. Lotus Notes who's gonna drag you kicking and screaming into the 1980s. I mean, Notes was a cool product -- in 1985. But do you not realize that your own marketing people have spent the past 10 years telling everyone what a bloated horrible piece of shizzle Notes is? And Groove. Man. Don't get me started. What is it? Who the frig knows? Oh, the CIA uses it to track bad guys. Great. There's a good reference customer for you. The guys who a) don't talk to the press; and b) have basically frigged up everything they've touched in the past 5 years. Microsoft, you need someone more evil in charge. Like Charles Wang of CA. I'm pretty sure he's not going to jail."
Okay, last one from the blog, I swear.
"And I have a totally cool house and no, you cannot come over, in fact you cannot even know where my house is located, and I have so much money that I can't even remember how much of it there is, but it's a lot, not that I care, because I don't, I could wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills and not even care, that's how little I care about money. And in fact I actually did that once. The ass thing, I mean. Seriously. I used to feel guilty about how much money I have because there is just so friggin much of it, but one day I was meditating and I'm sitting there moaning my syllable or whatever and it occurs to me that, Shit, man, guilt is just, like, this huge energy blocker and it's just so totally negative and it just really frigs up your creativity, which is what I'm all about, in fact, is the creativity. So then I just opened my eyes and came out of my trance and I said, out loud, in this really booming voice, to this imaginary like critic guy that I imagined was standing there criticizing me for having too much money or whatever, I just shouted right at him, as loud as I could: Frig you, ass-munch, because I'm smarter than you, and I deserve this. And you know that? It felt friggin great. It was liberating. Two days later I woke up and invented iTunes. True story."
I hope the Merom MBP has an updated design. It needs:
Magnetic Latch (like MB)
DL Superdrive across the line
FW800
Better video card - X1900???
Better cooling system - is water cooling possible in a notebook?
Bigger HDD's (100gb, 120gb, 160gb)
More battery life
I hope Apple reduces the power usage to 75 watts, instead of the current 85 watts - for airplane use.
Many of these can be implemented without any design change.
I'm sure someone should be making a slim enough DL superdrive by now Apple more than likely is just not using it yet.
They would only need to add FW 800 to the board.
The MBP runs no hotter than any other laptop with the same form factor and same processor.
The possible problem with the better video card is battery life and heat.
It would be difficult to use a faster CPU and faster GPU and lower the power usage. These are contradictory goals.