I don't see what the issue is. You can turn the Wi-fi off. Only use it when you need it. Where's the battery drain when it's off?
There is none, but with some devices, going through the menus to turn on and off the radio can be tedious. It might be acceptable if it can be turn itself off after a minute of inactivity. I don't know how many devices are that smart.
There is none, but with some devices, going through the menus to turn on and off the radio can be tedious. It might be acceptable if it can be turn itself off after a minute of inactivity. I don't know how many devices are that smart.
The problem is that people are either in a hurry, or get distracted. If it turned off too quickly, then people would be cursing that as well.
The problem is that people are either in a hurry, or get distracted. If it turned off too quickly, then people would be cursing that as well.
I was thinking it might be something that might wake up if a program requests activity. I think waiting a few seconds for it to automatically reconnect is a lot better than traversing menus to toggle the radio's power, and traversing back to the previous activity.
I was thinking it might be something that might wake up if a program requests activity. I think waiting a few seconds for it to automatically reconnect is a lot better than traversing menus to toggle the radio's power, and traversing back to the previous activity.
It depends on the device. my 700p will connect if I go to the internet. But even though it uses ED Vo, which is pretty fast, it still has to go through all of the usual handshaking. WiFi worries me, because it is really not very secure. Few people set the encryption properly, if at all. I can imagine people sitting at popular hotspots and grabbing onto someone's computer or phone network connection, and doing damage, stealing information, passwords, credit card info. etc.
Even Bluetooth isn't secure, as is now well known.
Wireless would be awesome on an iPod *zune if it functioned like the Airport Express.
If you could plug it into any stereo in your home, and have a computer steaming music to it/throu it. This way, the iPod could be plugged in at the stereo source, and battery life is no longer a concern.
I'd like to see the iPod / Car relationship improve too. FM transmitters are a hassle.
Isn't the iPod - Nike relationship somewhat of a wireless solution?
It's not a matter of being dumb. People know what they are told. If their manual doesn't say to keep WiFi off most of the time, they won't know that they should. Not everyone is as knowledeable as we are about these things. The phone comes with WiFi turned on as default.
Read the manual ????
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Originally posted by melgross
If you check the spec's of both the 6700, and the 700p, or 700w, you will see that they all use pretty powerful chips. 315MHz for the Treo 700p, for example.
Palm traditionally underclock the CPU on PalmOS but I bet not on Windows Mobile.
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Originally posted by melgross
Symbian is just too primitive, and has far fewer programs than either Palm or windows. I know it's popular in Europe, but I'm not impressed.
I disagree. Symbian is a far more sophisticated and more importantly 'fit for purpose' OS than either Windows Mobile or PalmOS and it's catching both Palm and Windows Mobile up. Handango lists 12851 Windows Mobile apps, 11230 Palm apps and 6241 Symbian apps which isn't bad considering. Palm will surely fade even more with no OS upgrade on the horizon and expensive, power hungry handsets.
Isn't the iPod - Nike relationship somewhat of a wireless solution?
It uses a very low power, slow RF signal which isn't powerful enough or fast enough to be of any use for music.
I was thinking about how you could make sharing music legally acceptable to the various music industry bodies and labels.
Perhaps...
You can download/share tracks between players but when you're back at your PC/Xbox or in range of a wifi hotspot, unless you purchase the track within a couple of days, it's deleted/locked. This way you get free sharing and the record industry might see more purchases as people decide to keep the track they've scammed off of someone on the subway/train/bus.
That implies some kind of DRM scheme and lookup system. If the original track was DRMd originally, no problem. If it was ripped from a CD with no DRM then the transfer would have to wrap it in a DRM wrapper during the transfer. Easy enough done although there might be a need for transcoding also. It also makes WMA and DRM even more pervasive. The record companies would love that. Consumers would get free tracks for a while and probably love that. Microsoft gets to make WMA more prevalent. They'd love that.
The only way I can see wireless being of any huge benefit is to share your currently playing tune with someone nearby, in real time. They can only hear it - it isn't saved in the eavesdropping player. No way will the labels allow copying music from one device to the other. No way in hell. This realtime sharing could be feasible if done via BT. It's fairly low power and has an acceptable range for that purpose.
As far as Wi-Fi goes, as others have said, the drawback is the scarcity of hot spots and the fact that at home you're already close to your computer so wi-fi wouldn't be such an advantage.
My 3 cents.
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
You should check your vision. It is very limited. It's possible you need eyeware prescription. If you can't see the possibilities, you might want to go to walmart and buy a packet of imagination.
I hate when dumbasses like you come out and say "i don't see a reason to use x feature cause i wouldn't". Who gives a rat ass what you would use?. Personally, I think battery life is a real concern. My ipod nano does not have wireless and already i bitch about the battery life but that does not mean just cause the battery life sucks, the idea of wireless sucks. If somehow someone could wave a magic wand and give me wireless player with great battery life with similiar form factor, i'd give you my ipod nano for free.. all you would have to do is pay shipping and handling (cause then, it would be worthless).
That's why I said right there, that if it didn't say so in the manual.
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Palm traditionally underclock the CPU on PalmOS but I bet not on Windows Mobile.
It's not underclocked on the 700p. I doubt if it would be on the 700w.
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I disagree. Symbian is a far more sophisticated and more importantly 'fit for purpose' OS than either Windows Mobile or PalmOS and it's catching both Palm and Windows Mobile up. Handango lists 12851 Windows Mobile apps, 11230 Palm apps and 6241 Symbian apps which isn't bad considering. Palm will surely fade even more with no OS upgrade on the horizon and expensive, power hungry handsets.
I've had a friend ot two with Symbian based phones, and I'll still say that I'm not impressed.
I don't doubt that Palm's fate is hanging by a thread. It's too bad. But Symbian still sucks in comparison. Maybe in a couple more years, but not not now.
It uses a very low power, slow RF signal which isn't powerful enough or fast enough to be of any use for music.
I was thinking about how you could make sharing music legally acceptable to the various music industry bodies and labels.
Perhaps...
You can download/share tracks between players but when you're back at your PC/Xbox or in range of a wifi hotspot, unless you purchase the track within a couple of days, it's deleted/locked. This way you get free sharing and the record industry might see more purchases as people decide to keep the track they've scammed off of someone on the subway/train/bus.
That implies some kind of DRM scheme and lookup system. If the original track was DRMd originally, no problem. If it was ripped from a CD with no DRM then the transfer would have to wrap it in a DRM wrapper during the transfer. Easy enough done although there might be a need for transcoding also. It also makes WMA and DRM even more pervasive. The record companies would love that. Consumers would get free tracks for a while and probably love that. Microsoft gets to make WMA more prevalent. They'd love that.
It's an interesting idea. But I don't think the industry would want to allow that kind of backdating purchases. If it were ripped from a CD, then it doesn't really matter. The industry has no control over it at that point anyway.
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
You should check your vision. It is very limited. It's possible you need eyeware prescription. If you can't see the possibilities, you might want to go to walmart and buy a packet of imagination.
I hate when dumbasses like you come out and say "i don't see a reason to use x feature cause i wouldn't". Who gives a rat ass what you would use?. Personally, I think battery life is a real concern. My ipod nano does not have wireless and already i bitch about the battery life but that does not mean just cause the battery life sucks, the idea of wireless sucks. If somehow someone could wave a magic wand and give me wireless player with great battery life with similiar form factor, i'd give you my ipod nano for free.. all you would have to do is pay shipping and handling (cause then, it would be worthless).
That was an unnecessarily insulting post. You should apologize to Wings. You can make your point without going through that.
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
You should check your vision. It is very limited. It's possible you need eyeware prescription. If you can't see the possibilities, you might want to go to walmart and buy a packet of imagination.
I hate when dumbasses like you come out and say "i don't see a reason to use x feature cause i wouldn't". Who gives a rat ass what you would use?. Personally, I think battery life is a real concern. My ipod nano does not have wireless and already i bitch about the battery life but that does not mean just cause the battery life sucks, the idea of wireless sucks. If somehow someone could wave a magic wand and give me wireless player with great battery life with similiar form factor, i'd give you my ipod nano for free.. all you would have to do is pay shipping and handling (cause then, it would be worthless).
rather insulting & over the top.
I'm inclined to agree with Wings. Generally speaking, I can't imagine what the hell I'd do with Wireless in a portable "iPod Killer" - unless it was to stream music from Point A to Point B in my house. I'm sure not going to be surfing for new tunes on my Zune's micro-screen at some wireless hot spot "out in the world" & I can't see a lot of other people doing that either. Maybe MS has some amazing new way of "doing" music & wireless that none of us can conceive of, right?
I also wonder, what does the Wireless feature do to the size-factor of the Zune? Seems like it'd increase the size. Already the Zune is sounding larger/heavier than the iPod.
This is where the iPod phone comes in. My treo 700p has EV-DO. This isn't as fast as WiFi, but it's plenty fast as it is. I clock between 400Kbs to almost 1Mbs anywhere I am. Including on the 43rd floor office of my wife's building in Queens. Try WiFi there.
Until WiFi is ubiquitous, as EV-DO is fast becoming, it simply is marginal. And EV-DO itself is getting faster. We will see 2Mbs before too long, and possibly even higher.
I would rather have that speed all over, than a higher one in a few spots here and there.
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
Why would you go cross-country trip without a notebook? One reason I keep an old notebook is for this sort of thing and I don't travel much. Do you think you would have listened to all 1k songs on the trip?
It looks to me that "WiFi" on a portable media player is a solution in search of a problem.
"We believe the biggest issue with Microsoft's entrance into the portable media space is that [it] puts it direct competition with its partners, all of whom support Microsoft's Windows Media format," he said. "While the focus is on Apple, we believe this move will likely have a much larger competitive impact on Creative, SanDisk, Sony, Samsung, iRiver, Archos, and others."
Nothing like kicking yourself in the teeth. I'm sure MS could design and make a nice iPod killer - the chances are however that it will be overhyped and fail to meet expectations - much like Vista. Although who knows - this could turn out to be a good product like IE7.
Why would you go cross-country trip without a notebook? One reason I keep an old notebook is for this sort of thing and I don't travel much. Do you think you would have listened to all 1k songs on the trip?
It looks to me that "WiFi" on a portable media player is a solution in search of a problem.
Cause i don't have a notebook?. well, actually i do, my company pc laptop but i try not to log that around when on vacation too often. I'm held responsible if the laptop is stolen. I bet when cell phones first appeared, wings was one of the first to proclaim "who would want to call people when not at home?". I'm sure the first cell networks had horrible coverage. Common folks. Think. We are mac folks, we are supposed to be the cool, smart ones.. what you think will happen to wi-fi hotspots as more gadgets are made that uses wi-fi?. More and more companies will build hotspots. You should visit South Korea to see a truly advanced internet country. There is access everywhere (it seems so). We are nitpicking the wi-fi player based on current number of wi-fi spots?.. did we do that when cell phones first came out?.. do people forget that cell phones could only initially work in small areas and getting on a highway meant losing your signal (probably still does for a portion of the country). What happened?. As cell phone demand increased, cell networks increased. Frankly, i believe there are sufficient wi-fi spots available to make a wireless player viable. Most hotels have wi-fi. Starbucks have wi-fi, panera bread has wi-fi. Lots of public libraries have wi-fi.. heck, i visited a hospital my girlfriend works at and there was wi-fi in the cafeteria (but only in the cafeteria and it was free).. It's popping up everywhere!!.. There is enough places where it makes sense. Not every time i go out i walk with a notebook or laptop, besides, people can afford a mp3 player, not a lot of people can afford a notebook or laptop. Jeff I guess you must be very well off. I can only envy you.
Not every time i go out i walk with a notebook or laptop, besides, people can afford a mp3 player, not a lot of people can afford a notebook or laptop. Jeff I guess you must be very well off. I can only envy you.
My notebook is only worth $200, I don't see how it makes me well-off.
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Originally posted by tonton
I don't see what the issue is. You can turn the Wi-fi off. Only use it when you need it. Where's the battery drain when it's off?
There is none, but with some devices, going through the menus to turn on and off the radio can be tedious. It might be acceptable if it can be turn itself off after a minute of inactivity. I don't know how many devices are that smart.
Originally posted by JeffDM
There is none, but with some devices, going through the menus to turn on and off the radio can be tedious. It might be acceptable if it can be turn itself off after a minute of inactivity. I don't know how many devices are that smart.
The problem is that people are either in a hurry, or get distracted. If it turned off too quickly, then people would be cursing that as well.
Originally posted by melgross
The problem is that people are either in a hurry, or get distracted. If it turned off too quickly, then people would be cursing that as well.
I was thinking it might be something that might wake up if a program requests activity. I think waiting a few seconds for it to automatically reconnect is a lot better than traversing menus to toggle the radio's power, and traversing back to the previous activity.
Originally posted by JeffDM
I was thinking it might be something that might wake up if a program requests activity. I think waiting a few seconds for it to automatically reconnect is a lot better than traversing menus to toggle the radio's power, and traversing back to the previous activity.
It depends on the device. my 700p will connect if I go to the internet. But even though it uses ED Vo, which is pretty fast, it still has to go through all of the usual handshaking. WiFi worries me, because it is really not very secure. Few people set the encryption properly, if at all. I can imagine people sitting at popular hotspots and grabbing onto someone's computer or phone network connection, and doing damage, stealing information, passwords, credit card info. etc.
Even Bluetooth isn't secure, as is now well known.
If you could plug it into any stereo in your home, and have a computer steaming music to it/throu it. This way, the iPod could be plugged in at the stereo source, and battery life is no longer a concern.
I'd like to see the iPod / Car relationship improve too. FM transmitters are a hassle.
Isn't the iPod - Nike relationship somewhat of a wireless solution?
Originally posted by melgross
It's not a matter of being dumb. People know what they are told. If their manual doesn't say to keep WiFi off most of the time, they won't know that they should. Not everyone is as knowledeable as we are about these things. The phone comes with WiFi turned on as default.
Read the manual ????
Originally posted by melgross
If you check the spec's of both the 6700, and the 700p, or 700w, you will see that they all use pretty powerful chips. 315MHz for the Treo 700p, for example.
Palm traditionally underclock the CPU on PalmOS but I bet not on Windows Mobile.
Originally posted by melgross
Symbian is just too primitive, and has far fewer programs than either Palm or windows. I know it's popular in Europe, but I'm not impressed.
I disagree. Symbian is a far more sophisticated and more importantly 'fit for purpose' OS than either Windows Mobile or PalmOS and it's catching both Palm and Windows Mobile up. Handango lists 12851 Windows Mobile apps, 11230 Palm apps and 6241 Symbian apps which isn't bad considering. Palm will surely fade even more with no OS upgrade on the horizon and expensive, power hungry handsets.
Originally posted by rain
Isn't the iPod - Nike relationship somewhat of a wireless solution?
It uses a very low power, slow RF signal which isn't powerful enough or fast enough to be of any use for music.
I was thinking about how you could make sharing music legally acceptable to the various music industry bodies and labels.
Perhaps...
You can download/share tracks between players but when you're back at your PC/Xbox or in range of a wifi hotspot, unless you purchase the track within a couple of days, it's deleted/locked. This way you get free sharing and the record industry might see more purchases as people decide to keep the track they've scammed off of someone on the subway/train/bus.
That implies some kind of DRM scheme and lookup system. If the original track was DRMd originally, no problem. If it was ripped from a CD with no DRM then the transfer would have to wrap it in a DRM wrapper during the transfer. Easy enough done although there might be a need for transcoding also. It also makes WMA and DRM even more pervasive. The record companies would love that. Consumers would get free tracks for a while and probably love that. Microsoft gets to make WMA more prevalent. They'd love that.
Originally posted by Wings
The only way I can see wireless being of any huge benefit is to share your currently playing tune with someone nearby, in real time. They can only hear it - it isn't saved in the eavesdropping player. No way will the labels allow copying music from one device to the other. No way in hell. This realtime sharing could be feasible if done via BT. It's fairly low power and has an acceptable range for that purpose.
As far as Wi-Fi goes, as others have said, the drawback is the scarcity of hot spots and the fact that at home you're already close to your computer so wi-fi wouldn't be such an advantage.
My 3 cents.
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
You should check your vision. It is very limited. It's possible you need eyeware prescription. If you can't see the possibilities, you might want to go to walmart and buy a packet of imagination.
I hate when dumbasses like you come out and say "i don't see a reason to use x feature cause i wouldn't". Who gives a rat ass what you would use?. Personally, I think battery life is a real concern. My ipod nano does not have wireless and already i bitch about the battery life but that does not mean just cause the battery life sucks, the idea of wireless sucks. If somehow someone could wave a magic wand and give me wireless player with great battery life with similiar form factor, i'd give you my ipod nano for free.. all you would have to do is pay shipping and handling (cause then, it would be worthless).
[B]Read the manual ????
That's why I said right there, that if it didn't say so in the manual.
Palm traditionally underclock the CPU on PalmOS but I bet not on Windows Mobile.
It's not underclocked on the 700p. I doubt if it would be on the 700w.
I disagree. Symbian is a far more sophisticated and more importantly 'fit for purpose' OS than either Windows Mobile or PalmOS and it's catching both Palm and Windows Mobile up. Handango lists 12851 Windows Mobile apps, 11230 Palm apps and 6241 Symbian apps which isn't bad considering. Palm will surely fade even more with no OS upgrade on the horizon and expensive, power hungry handsets.
I've had a friend ot two with Symbian based phones, and I'll still say that I'm not impressed.
I don't doubt that Palm's fate is hanging by a thread. It's too bad. But Symbian still sucks in comparison. Maybe in a couple more years, but not not now.
Originally posted by aegisdesign
It uses a very low power, slow RF signal which isn't powerful enough or fast enough to be of any use for music.
I was thinking about how you could make sharing music legally acceptable to the various music industry bodies and labels.
Perhaps...
You can download/share tracks between players but when you're back at your PC/Xbox or in range of a wifi hotspot, unless you purchase the track within a couple of days, it's deleted/locked. This way you get free sharing and the record industry might see more purchases as people decide to keep the track they've scammed off of someone on the subway/train/bus.
That implies some kind of DRM scheme and lookup system. If the original track was DRMd originally, no problem. If it was ripped from a CD with no DRM then the transfer would have to wrap it in a DRM wrapper during the transfer. Easy enough done although there might be a need for transcoding also. It also makes WMA and DRM even more pervasive. The record companies would love that. Consumers would get free tracks for a while and probably love that. Microsoft gets to make WMA more prevalent. They'd love that.
It's an interesting idea. But I don't think the industry would want to allow that kind of backdating purchases. If it were ripped from a CD, then it doesn't really matter. The industry has no control over it at that point anyway.
Originally posted by wnurse
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
You should check your vision. It is very limited. It's possible you need eyeware prescription. If you can't see the possibilities, you might want to go to walmart and buy a packet of imagination.
I hate when dumbasses like you come out and say "i don't see a reason to use x feature cause i wouldn't". Who gives a rat ass what you would use?. Personally, I think battery life is a real concern. My ipod nano does not have wireless and already i bitch about the battery life but that does not mean just cause the battery life sucks, the idea of wireless sucks. If somehow someone could wave a magic wand and give me wireless player with great battery life with similiar form factor, i'd give you my ipod nano for free.. all you would have to do is pay shipping and handling (cause then, it would be worthless).
That was an unnecessarily insulting post. You should apologize to Wings. You can make your point without going through that.
Originally posted by wnurse
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
You should check your vision. It is very limited. It's possible you need eyeware prescription. If you can't see the possibilities, you might want to go to walmart and buy a packet of imagination.
I hate when dumbasses like you come out and say "i don't see a reason to use x feature cause i wouldn't". Who gives a rat ass what you would use?. Personally, I think battery life is a real concern. My ipod nano does not have wireless and already i bitch about the battery life but that does not mean just cause the battery life sucks, the idea of wireless sucks. If somehow someone could wave a magic wand and give me wireless player with great battery life with similiar form factor, i'd give you my ipod nano for free.. all you would have to do is pay shipping and handling (cause then, it would be worthless).
rather insulting & over the top.
I'm inclined to agree with Wings. Generally speaking, I can't imagine what the hell I'd do with Wireless in a portable "iPod Killer" - unless it was to stream music from Point A to Point B in my house. I'm sure not going to be surfing for new tunes on my Zune's micro-screen at some wireless hot spot "out in the world" & I can't see a lot of other people doing that either. Maybe MS has some amazing new way of "doing" music & wireless that none of us can conceive of, right?
I also wonder, what does the Wireless feature do to the size-factor of the Zune? Seems like it'd increase the size. Already the Zune is sounding larger/heavier than the iPod.
Until WiFi is ubiquitous, as EV-DO is fast becoming, it simply is marginal. And EV-DO itself is getting faster. We will see 2Mbs before too long, and possibly even higher.
I would rather have that speed all over, than a higher one in a few spots here and there.
Originally posted by wnurse
Really?. The ability to update your music at a hotspot is not usefull?. You can't see that?. How about after zune comes out, google comes out with a tool to let you access your music from anywhere there is a wi-fi hotspot (oh, i don't know, AT A FRIGGIN HOTEL YOU JUST CHECKED INTO). How about maybe you couldn't hold all your songs on the zune so now you want to upload new songs you already bought (say you have 10,000 songs but your zune only holds 1000). Hmm, google allows you to do this at a wi-fi spot so that YOU DON'T HAVE TO FRIGGIN FLY HOME FROM CALIFORNIA TO NEW YORK JUST TO ACCESS YOUR F**KING COMPUTER TO UPDATE YOUR MUSIC ON THE ZUNE.
Why would you go cross-country trip without a notebook? One reason I keep an old notebook is for this sort of thing and I don't travel much. Do you think you would have listened to all 1k songs on the trip?
It looks to me that "WiFi" on a portable media player is a solution in search of a problem.
"We believe the biggest issue with Microsoft's entrance into the portable media space is that [it] puts it direct competition with its partners, all of whom support Microsoft's Windows Media format," he said. "While the focus is on Apple, we believe this move will likely have a much larger competitive impact on Creative, SanDisk, Sony, Samsung, iRiver, Archos, and others."
Nothing like kicking yourself in the teeth. I'm sure MS could design and make a nice iPod killer - the chances are however that it will be overhyped and fail to meet expectations - much like Vista. Although who knows - this could turn out to be a good product like IE7.
Originally posted by MacCrazy
Although who knows - this could turn out to be a good product like IE7.
You jest surely? Weird interface, non-moveable toolbars and CSS support that is still years behind the rest of the industry.
But if you're not jesting, perhaps your idea of a good product is so low that Zune might succeed.
Originally posted by melgross
That was an unnecessarily insulting post. You should apologize to Wings. You can make your point without going through that.
Wings, The consensus is that my post was insulting. I apologize. The folks are right. I could have made my point without going over the top.
Originally posted by JeffDM
Why would you go cross-country trip without a notebook? One reason I keep an old notebook is for this sort of thing and I don't travel much. Do you think you would have listened to all 1k songs on the trip?
It looks to me that "WiFi" on a portable media player is a solution in search of a problem.
Cause i don't have a notebook?. well, actually i do, my company pc laptop but i try not to log that around when on vacation too often. I'm held responsible if the laptop is stolen. I bet when cell phones first appeared, wings was one of the first to proclaim "who would want to call people when not at home?". I'm sure the first cell networks had horrible coverage. Common folks. Think. We are mac folks, we are supposed to be the cool, smart ones.. what you think will happen to wi-fi hotspots as more gadgets are made that uses wi-fi?. More and more companies will build hotspots. You should visit South Korea to see a truly advanced internet country. There is access everywhere (it seems so). We are nitpicking the wi-fi player based on current number of wi-fi spots?.. did we do that when cell phones first came out?.. do people forget that cell phones could only initially work in small areas and getting on a highway meant losing your signal (probably still does for a portion of the country). What happened?. As cell phone demand increased, cell networks increased. Frankly, i believe there are sufficient wi-fi spots available to make a wireless player viable. Most hotels have wi-fi. Starbucks have wi-fi, panera bread has wi-fi. Lots of public libraries have wi-fi.. heck, i visited a hospital my girlfriend works at and there was wi-fi in the cafeteria (but only in the cafeteria and it was free).. It's popping up everywhere!!.. There is enough places where it makes sense. Not every time i go out i walk with a notebook or laptop, besides, people can afford a mp3 player, not a lot of people can afford a notebook or laptop. Jeff I guess you must be very well off. I can only envy you.
Originally posted by wnurse
Not every time i go out i walk with a notebook or laptop, besides, people can afford a mp3 player, not a lot of people can afford a notebook or laptop. Jeff I guess you must be very well off. I can only envy you.
My notebook is only worth $200, I don't see how it makes me well-off.