Uhm, dude, that is EXACTLY what parallels allows you to do
Yea...I didn't say that...for some reason TenHanger's post didn't quote properlly..it should be fixed now.
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Originally Posted by max_naylor
Microsoft made IE for Mac. Made IE for Mac. Piece of shit it was, too.
Yes it was, and yes it was...it won't even load quickly...its like dial up even if you have cable internet....I had it...but its just not worth it.
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Originally Posted by meelash
re: this post and especially the previous post>> ummm... deja vu? \
And if u are referring back to my and dutch pear's post, your right. I quoted someone (TenHanger) and it didn't quote or I did so,ething..not sure. Then dutch pear said the exact same thing someone said to the other guys post....soooo....yea. "deja vu?"
Multi Touch - Ready for a new breed of touch displays later in the year
Virtualization - Install and run Windows apps in OS X
I really hope the built in mapping and GPS functionality do happen.
I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?
I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?
haha, as he gave his opinion of the video on the iPod, and TV shows on Macs and the Newton.....
Bottom line is, he is a reasonable man that will change his mind if conditions change and the implementation of something becomes practical. I think Multi-touch does this for tablets in a huge way, now that it's been established that they actually exist...
As said, separate applications can be tested on their own.
Also, those of us who are Select/Premier do not get the uber-secret builds that the big third-party developers get. And even above that can be internal Apple testing. For example, none of the iApps are released to Select/Premier for testing - all of that is done by Apple QA and by a small list of trusted groups.
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Originally Posted by krispie
There aren't any secret features.
The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.
So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.
IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.
So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.
IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
Far from it. I used to work for a software development company and we would never release full versions for public Beta testing. Core functionality would go out, but any new developments, or so called secret features would be tested in-house. Public Betas are only really needed to test robustness on a large scale. It wouldn't be the first time that Apple have introduced a few new features on launch.
As said, separate applications can be tested on their own.
Also, those of us who are Select/Premier do not get the uber-secret builds that the big third-party developers get. And even above that can be internal Apple testing. For example, none of the iApps are released to Select/Premier for testing - all of that is done by Apple QA and by a small list of trusted groups.
Or more example of Apps that don't have public Betas:
iTunes
iLife
Aperture
But Secret Features are not indicative of no public beta testing. The features could be announced before the release and thus are subject to public beta testing, but they just haven't been announced yet.
The primary reason for a beta (in my mind at least) is development. In OS betas it's development of Apps that run on the new OS. In software it is to get feedback from users to the software can be better developed, and I mean developed in the broad sense of the word, not the technical sense, per se.
I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?
iPhone has a version of Leopard. It has multi-touch. I think that alone tells you it's possible that Leopard will have multi-touch.
Wouldn't programs need to take advantage of a multi-touch API in order to use it well? I'm sure Apple could add some basic functionality through the magic of Cocoa that all Cocoa apps would receive, but I doubt the cooler aspects of multi-touch could be utilized until apps were updated. And by the look of things, Apple won't be revealing this multi-touch API until after Leopard ships.
Since this forum is about predictions for top secret features in Leopard, my wish is for full support for Multi-Touch technology (MT) which was previewed in a very understated way by Jobs in the iPhone part of the keynote. This technology, apparently now wholly owned and patented by Apple, will revolutionize the way users interact with computers.
It's an absolutely fascinating technology, though I'm not convinced that it's wholly owned and patented by Apple. Jeff Han has been working on this for a few years now.
I'm convinced Leopard will feature some of this stuff, but I'm not sure about the feasibility of bringing multi-touch to existing displays. The big question, to my mind: is a single iSight powerful/savvy enough to detect user movement without the necessity of a touch-sensitive screen? If so, then Apple bundling in iSights for every Mac w/ a display for the past two years begins to look like part of a much larger, interesting, and ambitious plan.
Is there a good description/definition of Multi-Touch technology (MTT)? I thought MTT referred to the hardware capability to simultaneously detect two or more points of interaction with the screen. On that video I could only identify a few gesture derived from that capability
- point (basic mouse gesture)
- zoom (in or out)
- rotate (in screen or out of screen (tilt))
- anchor and move (keep one area or object stationary while moving another)
Beyond that what is seen is a whole lot of UI ideas implemented with these basic gestures. What are people asking for in Leopard, these gestures or a whole new UI based on them? The later is much much tougher to make something good.
Beyond that what is seen is a whole lot of UI ideas implemented with these basic gestures. What are people asking for in Leopard, these gestures or a whole new UI based on them? The later is much much tougher to make something good.
Agreed -- I'm expecting a refreshed UI for Leopard: a less bubbly, more minimal and sleeker look & feel that uses perspective, light, shadow, and some dramatic and snazzy animations via CoreAnimation... plus major Spotlight, and smaller Finder, Dock, and general UI enhancements.
I'm not expecting a revolutionary new gesture/multi-touch/voice recognition-based UI... at least not just yet (Leopard+1, anyone?).
Of interest is that MSR (Microsoft Research) has also been working on this -- they call it TouchLight -- and are selling high-end versions (50K+) for medical 3D imaging.
As usual, though, Apple seems to be the first to take it, in a popular, usable form, to the mainstream consumer market.
It will be interesting to see just how far back Apple's patents extend.
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re: this post and especially the previous post>> ummm... deja vu?
meelash, is this worth moving to a new thread to get out of the meaningless background, or not worth it? what do you think?
Uhm, dude, that is EXACTLY what parallels allows you to do
Yea...I didn't say that...for some reason TenHanger's post didn't quote properlly..it should be fixed now.
Microsoft made IE for Mac. Made IE for Mac. Piece of shit it was, too.
Yes it was, and yes it was...it won't even load quickly...its like dial up even if you have cable internet....I had it...but its just not worth it.
re: this post and especially the previous post>> ummm... deja vu?
And if u are referring back to my and dutch pear's post, your right. I quoted someone (TenHanger) and it didn't quote or I did so,ething..not sure. Then dutch pear said the exact same thing someone said to the other guys post....soooo....yea. "deja vu?"
Who writes software for Mac first and then Windows, almost no one.
I believe Adobe would fall into this category.
ZFS File System addition to HFS+
Resolution Independence
FTP features in the finder
Core Animation UI where you have a 3D view of file/folder hierarchy
Quartz Extreme 2D
Automator 2 beefed up controls. Easy and Pro modes
Core Text- Unified API for font control
Core Data 2
Core Audio Extreme
Core Image/Video 2
Built in Mapping
Built in GPS
I agree with the above and also add the folowing:
Piles - New way of organising groups of files
Multi Touch - Ready for a new breed of touch displays later in the year
Virtualization - Install and run Windows apps in OS X
I really hope the built in mapping and GPS functionality do happen.
The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.
So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.
IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
There aren't any secret features.
The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.
So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.
IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
Not if they're applications.
There aren't any secret features.
The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.
So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.
IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
Well, Jobs came right out and said at WWDC they weren't showing us everything....... I fail to see why apple would say that if it wasn't true.
I agree with the above and also add the folowing:
Piles - New way of organising groups of files
Multi Touch - Ready for a new breed of touch displays later in the year
Virtualization - Install and run Windows apps in OS X
I really hope the built in mapping and GPS functionality do happen.
I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?
I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?
haha, as he gave his opinion of the video on the iPod, and TV shows on Macs and the Newton.....
Bottom line is, he is a reasonable man that will change his mind if conditions change and the implementation of something becomes practical. I think Multi-touch does this for tablets in a huge way, now that it's been established that they actually exist...
Also, those of us who are Select/Premier do not get the uber-secret builds that the big third-party developers get. And even above that can be internal Apple testing. For example, none of the iApps are released to Select/Premier for testing - all of that is done by Apple QA and by a small list of trusted groups.
There aren't any secret features.
The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.
So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.
IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
Not if they're applications.
Now we're talkin'! I think you're right on target.
There aren't any secret features.
The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.
So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.
IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
Far from it. I used to work for a software development company and we would never release full versions for public Beta testing. Core functionality would go out, but any new developments, or so called secret features would be tested in-house. Public Betas are only really needed to test robustness on a large scale. It wouldn't be the first time that Apple have introduced a few new features on launch.
As said, separate applications can be tested on their own.
Also, those of us who are Select/Premier do not get the uber-secret builds that the big third-party developers get. And even above that can be internal Apple testing. For example, none of the iApps are released to Select/Premier for testing - all of that is done by Apple QA and by a small list of trusted groups.
Or more example of Apps that don't have public Betas:
iTunes
iLife
Aperture
But Secret Features are not indicative of no public beta testing. The features could be announced before the release and thus are subject to public beta testing, but they just haven't been announced yet.
The primary reason for a beta (in my mind at least) is development. In OS betas it's development of Apps that run on the new OS. In software it is to get feedback from users to the software can be better developed, and I mean developed in the broad sense of the word, not the technical sense, per se.
I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?
iPhone has a version of Leopard. It has multi-touch. I think that alone tells you it's possible that Leopard will have multi-touch.
Since this forum is about predictions for top secret features in Leopard, my wish is for full support for Multi-Touch technology (MT) which was previewed in a very understated way by Jobs in the iPhone part of the keynote. This technology, apparently now wholly owned and patented by Apple, will revolutionize the way users interact with computers.
It's an absolutely fascinating technology, though I'm not convinced that it's wholly owned and patented by Apple. Jeff Han has been working on this for a few years now.
MR posted an extraordinary demo from Perceptive Pixel. Check it out and drool.
I'm convinced Leopard will feature some of this stuff, but I'm not sure about the feasibility of bringing multi-touch to existing displays. The big question, to my mind: is a single iSight powerful/savvy enough to detect user movement without the necessity of a touch-sensitive screen? If so, then Apple bundling in iSights for every Mac w/ a display for the past two years begins to look like part of a much larger, interesting, and ambitious plan.
Also, Apple has to deal with Kickaha's patent.
- point (basic mouse gesture)
- zoom (in or out)
- rotate (in screen or out of screen (tilt))
- anchor and move (keep one area or object stationary while moving another)
Beyond that what is seen is a whole lot of UI ideas implemented with these basic gestures. What are people asking for in Leopard, these gestures or a whole new UI based on them? The later is much much tougher to make something good.
Or am I missing the whole point here??
Beyond that what is seen is a whole lot of UI ideas implemented with these basic gestures. What are people asking for in Leopard, these gestures or a whole new UI based on them? The later is much much tougher to make something good.
Agreed -- I'm expecting a refreshed UI for Leopard: a less bubbly, more minimal and sleeker look & feel that uses perspective, light, shadow, and some dramatic and snazzy animations via CoreAnimation... plus major Spotlight, and smaller Finder, Dock, and general UI enhancements.
I'm not expecting a revolutionary new gesture/multi-touch/voice recognition-based UI... at least not just yet (Leopard+1, anyone?).
But one can dream.
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More on Han and Perceptive Pixel here.
Of interest is that MSR (Microsoft Research) has also been working on this -- they call it TouchLight -- and are selling high-end versions (50K+) for medical 3D imaging.
As usual, though, Apple seems to be the first to take it, in a popular, usable form, to the mainstream consumer market.
It will be interesting to see just how far back Apple's patents extend.