Top Secret Features (leopard)

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  • Reply 61 of 87
    meelashmeelash Posts: 1,045member
    re: this post and especially the previous post>> ummm... deja vu? \
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  • Reply 62 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by meelash View Post


    re: this post and especially the previous post>> ummm... deja vu? \



    meelash, is this worth moving to a new thread to get out of the meaningless background, or not worth it? what do you think?
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  • Reply 63 of 87
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    Uhm, dude, that is EXACTLY what parallels allows you to do



    Yea...I didn't say that...for some reason TenHanger's post didn't quote properlly..it should be fixed now.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by max_naylor View Post


    Microsoft made IE for Mac. Made IE for Mac. Piece of shit it was, too.



    Yes it was, and yes it was...it won't even load quickly...its like dial up even if you have cable internet....I had it...but its just not worth it.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by meelash View Post


    re: this post and especially the previous post>> ummm... deja vu? \



    And if u are referring back to my and dutch pear's post, your right. I quoted someone (TenHanger) and it didn't quote or I did so,ething..not sure. Then dutch pear said the exact same thing someone said to the other guys post....soooo....yea. "deja vu?"
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  • Reply 64 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TenHanger View Post


    Who writes software for Mac first and then Windows, almost no one.



    I believe Adobe would fall into this category.
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  • Reply 65 of 87
    Quote:

    ZFS File System addition to HFS+

    Resolution Independence

    FTP features in the finder

    Core Animation UI where you have a 3D view of file/folder hierarchy

    Quartz Extreme 2D

    Automator 2 beefed up controls. Easy and Pro modes

    Core Text- Unified API for font control

    Core Data 2

    Core Audio Extreme

    Core Image/Video 2

    Built in Mapping

    Built in GPS



    I agree with the above and also add the folowing:



    Piles - New way of organising groups of files

    Multi Touch - Ready for a new breed of touch displays later in the year

    Virtualization - Install and run Windows apps in OS X



    I really hope the built in mapping and GPS functionality do happen.
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  • Reply 66 of 87
    krispiekrispie Posts: 260member
    There aren't any secret features.



    The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.



    So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.



    IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.
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  • Reply 67 of 87
    physguyphysguy Posts: 920member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by krispie View Post


    There aren't any secret features.



    The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.



    So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.



    IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.



    Not if they're applications.
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  • Reply 68 of 87
    flounderflounder Posts: 2,674member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by krispie View Post


    There aren't any secret features.



    The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.



    So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.



    IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.





    Well, Jobs came right out and said at WWDC they weren't showing us everything....... I fail to see why apple would say that if it wasn't true.
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  • Reply 69 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SpinDrift View Post


    I agree with the above and also add the folowing:



    Piles - New way of organising groups of files

    Multi Touch - Ready for a new breed of touch displays later in the year

    Virtualization - Install and run Windows apps in OS X



    I really hope the built in mapping and GPS functionality do happen.



    I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?
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  • Reply 70 of 87
    meelashmeelash Posts: 1,045member
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    Originally Posted by icfireball View Post


    I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?



    haha, as he gave his opinion of the video on the iPod, and TV shows on Macs and the Newton.....



    Bottom line is, he is a reasonable man that will change his mind if conditions change and the implementation of something becomes practical. I think Multi-touch does this for tablets in a huge way, now that it's been established that they actually exist...
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  • Reply 71 of 87
    lundylundy Posts: 4,466member
    As said, separate applications can be tested on their own.

    Also, those of us who are Select/Premier do not get the uber-secret builds that the big third-party developers get. And even above that can be internal Apple testing. For example, none of the iApps are released to Select/Premier for testing - all of that is done by Apple QA and by a small list of trusted groups.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by krispie View Post


    There aren't any secret features.



    The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.



    So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.



    IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.



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  • Reply 72 of 87
    kcmackcmac Posts: 1,051member
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    Originally Posted by physguy View Post


    Not if they're applications.



    Now we're talkin'! I think you're right on target.
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  • Reply 73 of 87
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by krispie View Post


    There aren't any secret features.



    The whole point of Beta testing is that features get tested.



    So you don't suddenly do a release with loads of stuff that wasn't in the test versions.



    IF (IF IF) there are secret features, then the release of Leopard will be put back for MONTHS.



    Far from it. I used to work for a software development company and we would never release full versions for public Beta testing. Core functionality would go out, but any new developments, or so called secret features would be tested in-house. Public Betas are only really needed to test robustness on a large scale. It wouldn't be the first time that Apple have introduced a few new features on launch.
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  • Reply 74 of 87
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    Originally Posted by lundy View Post


    As said, separate applications can be tested on their own.

    Also, those of us who are Select/Premier do not get the uber-secret builds that the big third-party developers get. And even above that can be internal Apple testing. For example, none of the iApps are released to Select/Premier for testing - all of that is done by Apple QA and by a small list of trusted groups.



    Or more example of Apps that don't have public Betas:



    iTunes

    iLife

    Aperture



    But Secret Features are not indicative of no public beta testing. The features could be announced before the release and thus are subject to public beta testing, but they just haven't been announced yet.



    The primary reason for a beta (in my mind at least) is development. In OS betas it's development of Apps that run on the new OS. In software it is to get feedback from users to the software can be better developed, and I mean developed in the broad sense of the word, not the technical sense, per se.
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  • Reply 75 of 87
    tinktink Posts: 395member
    So we'll see.

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  • Reply 76 of 87
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    Originally Posted by icfireball View Post


    I don't know how many times we have to go over this. There will be no new display from Apple that has Multi-touch unless that display is tablet, and Jobs has given his opinion of an Apple tablet, now hasn't he?



    iPhone has a version of Leopard. It has multi-touch. I think that alone tells you it's possible that Leopard will have multi-touch.
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  • Reply 77 of 87
    Wouldn't programs need to take advantage of a multi-touch API in order to use it well? I'm sure Apple could add some basic functionality through the magic of Cocoa that all Cocoa apps would receive, but I doubt the cooler aspects of multi-touch could be utilized until apps were updated. And by the look of things, Apple won't be revealing this multi-touch API until after Leopard ships.
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  • Reply 78 of 87
    hobbeshobbes Posts: 1,252member
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    Originally Posted by lfe2211 View Post


    Since this forum is about predictions for top secret features in Leopard, my wish is for full support for Multi-Touch technology (MT) which was previewed in a very understated way by Jobs in the iPhone part of the keynote. This technology, apparently now wholly owned and patented by Apple, will revolutionize the way users interact with computers.



    It's an absolutely fascinating technology, though I'm not convinced that it's wholly owned and patented by Apple. Jeff Han has been working on this for a few years now.



    MR posted an extraordinary demo from Perceptive Pixel. Check it out and drool.



    I'm convinced Leopard will feature some of this stuff, but I'm not sure about the feasibility of bringing multi-touch to existing displays. The big question, to my mind: is a single iSight powerful/savvy enough to detect user movement without the necessity of a touch-sensitive screen? If so, then Apple bundling in iSights for every Mac w/ a display for the past two years begins to look like part of a much larger, interesting, and ambitious plan.



    Also, Apple has to deal with Kickaha's patent.
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  • Reply 79 of 87
    Is there a good description/definition of Multi-Touch technology (MTT)? I thought MTT referred to the hardware capability to simultaneously detect two or more points of interaction with the screen. On that video I could only identify a few gesture derived from that capability



    - point (basic mouse gesture)

    - zoom (in or out)

    - rotate (in screen or out of screen (tilt))

    - anchor and move (keep one area or object stationary while moving another)



    Beyond that what is seen is a whole lot of UI ideas implemented with these basic gestures. What are people asking for in Leopard, these gestures or a whole new UI based on them? The later is much much tougher to make something good.



    Or am I missing the whole point here??
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  • Reply 80 of 87
    hobbeshobbes Posts: 1,252member
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    Beyond that what is seen is a whole lot of UI ideas implemented with these basic gestures. What are people asking for in Leopard, these gestures or a whole new UI based on them? The later is much much tougher to make something good.



    Agreed -- I'm expecting a refreshed UI for Leopard: a less bubbly, more minimal and sleeker look & feel that uses perspective, light, shadow, and some dramatic and snazzy animations via CoreAnimation... plus major Spotlight, and smaller Finder, Dock, and general UI enhancements.



    I'm not expecting a revolutionary new gesture/multi-touch/voice recognition-based UI... at least not just yet (Leopard+1, anyone?).



    But one can dream.



    * * *



    More on Han and Perceptive Pixel here.



    Of interest is that MSR (Microsoft Research) has also been working on this -- they call it TouchLight -- and are selling high-end versions (50K+) for medical 3D imaging.



    As usual, though, Apple seems to be the first to take it, in a popular, usable form, to the mainstream consumer market.



    It will be interesting to see just how far back Apple's patents extend.
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