I've found that most people that despise Mac OS X are running it on a G3 (read: three year old hardware), or their machine can't run it at all
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Actually i was going to switch to windows but luckily for me OS X came out and saved my sanity. I`m a php developer and an all around geek I dont mind paying the extra bucks to have the best OS money can buy. I dont have time to worry about shit that the OS cant do for me i would much rather have the OS walk me along then me walking the OS around and when i want to i can take it for a walk as well. I never dreamed that apple could build a better OS that 9 i guess i wasnt thinking diffrent
even though jaguar will have it built in, what apps will run it? itunes won't have it until the end of the year (though the famous rendezvous itunes demo obviously had a special build version), so how will we benefit?
From what I understand it's not a application level technology but rather a system level one.
Right now, computers either have a static IP address assigned or they grab one from a DHCP server (this includes dial-up connections). The server makes sure each host (computer or network printer) has a unique address. Your sysadmin does that in the case of static IP numbers.
What Rendezvous does is take care of assigning unique numbers to all devices on a LAN. Essentially, it sounds like server-less IP assignment. Computers search the LAN for other networked devices and negotiate what addresses to use.
This sounds a little loose for corporate networks but for home LANs (wired & wireless) this sounds like one less techy thing for Mom to do.
[Addendum] Kudos for Apple to get the printer manufactures on board. Setting up printers on the network is a massive pain (especially when parts of the network only use DHCP).
[quote] Let me guess... you're running a pre-G4 system and OS X runs like crap on it?
I've found that most people that despise Mac OS X are running it on a G3 (read: three year old hardware), or their machine can't run it at all
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just this weekend i changed over my kids iMac DV 400 G3 from os 9.1 to os 10.1.5...it has 384 of ram and runs 10.1.5 great...should have changed over long ago, but liked having one machine in X and one in 9 for some stupid reason....stable and seems to me to run just as well as my iMac 800 G4, but then we don't run either machine "hard" like the people here....kept the kids computer in Os 9 for so long because they use Quark for all their school papers (overkill for what they need, but they both hate word and like quark)...then this weekend i found an insanely cheap publishing program that feels a lot like "mini-Quark" or "quark extremely lite" that is perfect for them and runs natively in Os X...and freakin prints in X ...so, short story long, i was finally able to make os 9 go away forever....g
<strong>From what I understand it's not a application level technology but rather a system level one.
Right now, computers either have a static IP address assigned or they grab one from a DHCP server (this includes dial-up connections). The server makes sure each host (computer or network printer) has a unique address. Your sysadmin does that in the case of static IP numbers.
What Rendezvous does is take care of assigning unique numbers to all devices on a LAN. Essentially, it sounds like server-less IP assignment. Computers search the LAN for other networked devices and negotiate what addresses to use.
This sounds a little loose for corporate networks but for home LANs (wired & wireless) this sounds like one less techy thing for Mom to do.
[Addendum] Kudos for Apple to get the printer manufactures on board. Setting up printers on the network is a massive pain (especially when parts of the network only use DHCP).
Actually, my understanding is that it is more of a name/service level thing rather than IP address level. Your machines will already have IP addresses (via DHCP, etc) but Rendevous will announce machine names and services they provide (printing, MP3 folder shares, etc). So from that perspective, it will work well within an Enterprise. I'm interested in how it deals with security, but I don't see that as being a big issue. You could secure all your shares in the same way you do today (allowed users, passwords, etc). I think it would make things more secure because too many people in Windoze networks disable security just trying to make it work in the first place... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Rendevous/ZeroConf is definitely one of the coolest things for IP I've seen in a long time. Since http, maybe.
<strong>even though jaguar will have it built in, what apps will run it? itunes won't have it until the end of the year (though the famous rendezvous itunes demo obviously had a special build version), so how will we benefit?
Well if you are on a network, you will be able to see all the OS X 10.2 computers on the network, and share files with them easily, like AppleTalk.
You will also be able to chat with anyone who is using iChat on the network. Did anyone out there use Broadcast (BC) before this? It is much like that.
Now your statment is really quite odd. There are printers being developed for use with it, and I'm sure many other types of devices. I mean we could have asked the same question about the first iMac with USB, or the first PowerMac with Firewire. I mean there weren't all that many devices for those ports initially.
You're kinda asking the old question: "Which came first the chicken or the egg", and I think it's pretty obvious which did in this case.
Now your statment is really quite odd. There are printers being developed for use with it, and I'm sure many other types of devices. I mean we could have asked the same question about the first iMac with USB, or the first PowerMac with Firewire. I mean there weren't all that many devices for those ports initially.
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Well, would the next logical step be to use Rendezvous and a 1 Gigabit Ethernet connection to everything and drop Firewire/USB# completely?
Well, would the next logical step be to use Rendezvous and a 1 Gigabit Ethernet connection to everything and drop Firewire/USB# completely?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, you have to keep FireWire because it is a peripheral technology connector, and Ethernet is a networking connector, don't clog the bandwidth <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
No, you have to keep FireWire because it is a peripheral technology connector, and Ethernet is a networking connector, don't clog the bandwidth <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well I could agree with Firewire/USB# being used to connect user appliances(Keyboards to iPods), but many Peripherals already are Ethernet. The two major ones being printers and scanners/copiers.
More and more people are having multiple computers with a LAN in thier house. Rendezvous would make connecting almost anything a no-brainer, so I see it easily being more desirable to have Ethernet compatible peripherals than Firewire or USB in many places that already have a LAN.
As for bandwidth. I think 1 Gigabit shouldn't have any trouble, even streaming video from room to room.
The Home server, Gigabit Ethernet and Rendezvous... what more could a Computer Geek want for their house.
<strong>Anyone else think it's kinda cool that one of the bigwigs behind Zeroconf is Stuart Cheshire...the guy who wrote Bolo?!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks Eugene, I thought I was the only one who noticed.
No, you have to keep FireWire because it is a peripheral technology connector, and Ethernet is a networking connector, don't clog the bandwidth <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
In which he states his dream of having everything be connected via rendezvous. I guess this does not have to mean that it would all be through Ethernet, but I don't see why not. There is no physical reason not to do this, except to keep traffic off the network.
But reguardless, the guy who wrote it thinks that it will be used in this way in the future.
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I've found that most people that despise Mac OS X are running it on a G3 (read: three year old hardware), or their machine can't run it at all
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Actually i was going to switch to windows but luckily for me OS X came out and saved my sanity. I`m a php developer and an all around geek I dont mind paying the extra bucks to have the best OS money can buy. I dont have time to worry about shit that the OS cant do for me i would much rather have the OS walk me along then me walking the OS around and when i want to i can take it for a walk as well. I never dreamed that apple could build a better OS that 9 i guess i wasnt thinking diffrent
don't forget iPhoto..
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Don't forget iTunes 3.
edit: Paul beat me too it.
[ 07-27-2002: Message edited by: CubeDude ]</p>
<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
Right now, computers either have a static IP address assigned or they grab one from a DHCP server (this includes dial-up connections). The server makes sure each host (computer or network printer) has a unique address. Your sysadmin does that in the case of static IP numbers.
What Rendezvous does is take care of assigning unique numbers to all devices on a LAN. Essentially, it sounds like server-less IP assignment. Computers search the LAN for other networked devices and negotiate what addresses to use.
This sounds a little loose for corporate networks but for home LANs (wired & wireless) this sounds like one less techy thing for Mom to do.
[Addendum] Kudos for Apple to get the printer manufactures on board. Setting up printers on the network is a massive pain (especially when parts of the network only use DHCP).
Screed
[ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</p>
I've found that most people that despise Mac OS X are running it on a G3 (read: three year old hardware), or their machine can't run it at all
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just this weekend i changed over my kids iMac DV 400 G3 from os 9.1 to os 10.1.5...it has 384 of ram and runs 10.1.5 great...should have changed over long ago, but liked having one machine in X and one in 9 for some stupid reason....stable and seems to me to run just as well as my iMac 800 G4, but then we don't run either machine "hard" like the people here....kept the kids computer in Os 9 for so long because they use Quark for all their school papers (overkill for what they need, but they both hate word and like quark)...then this weekend i found an insanely cheap publishing program that feels a lot like "mini-Quark" or "quark extremely lite" that is perfect for them and runs natively in Os X...and freakin prints in X ...so, short story long, i was finally able to make os 9 go away forever....g
<a href="http://www.metisinternational.com"; target="_blank">here</a>
won't replace a pro system, but works great for the kids and is only 15 bucks
[ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: thegelding ]</p>
<strong>From what I understand it's not a application level technology but rather a system level one.
Right now, computers either have a static IP address assigned or they grab one from a DHCP server (this includes dial-up connections). The server makes sure each host (computer or network printer) has a unique address. Your sysadmin does that in the case of static IP numbers.
What Rendezvous does is take care of assigning unique numbers to all devices on a LAN. Essentially, it sounds like server-less IP assignment. Computers search the LAN for other networked devices and negotiate what addresses to use.
This sounds a little loose for corporate networks but for home LANs (wired & wireless) this sounds like one less techy thing for Mom to do.
[Addendum] Kudos for Apple to get the printer manufactures on board. Setting up printers on the network is a massive pain (especially when parts of the network only use DHCP).
Screed
[ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, my understanding is that it is more of a name/service level thing rather than IP address level. Your machines will already have IP addresses (via DHCP, etc) but Rendevous will announce machine names and services they provide (printing, MP3 folder shares, etc). So from that perspective, it will work well within an Enterprise. I'm interested in how it deals with security, but I don't see that as being a big issue. You could secure all your shares in the same way you do today (allowed users, passwords, etc). I think it would make things more secure because too many people in Windoze networks disable security just trying to make it work in the first place... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Rendevous/ZeroConf is definitely one of the coolest things for IP I've seen in a long time. Since http, maybe.
[quote]To achieve this small-network functionality in IP, there are four main areas of work:
* Allocate addresses without a DHCP server.
* Translate between names and IP addresses without a DNS server.
* Find services, like printers, without a directory server.
* Allocate IP Multicast addresses without a MADCAP server.<hr></blockquote>
So address assignment and service discovery.
Screed ...and it supports IPv6 (so those 4 million unique addresses per square meter of the earth's surface can sort it out among themselves!!!)
[ 07-29-2002: Message edited by: sCreeD ]</p>
<strong>even though jaguar will have it built in, what apps will run it? itunes won't have it until the end of the year (though the famous rendezvous itunes demo obviously had a special build version), so how will we benefit?
<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well if you are on a network, you will be able to see all the OS X 10.2 computers on the network, and share files with them easily, like AppleTalk.
You will also be able to chat with anyone who is using iChat on the network. Did anyone out there use Broadcast (BC) before this? It is much like that.
Now your statment is really quite odd. There are printers being developed for use with it, and I'm sure many other types of devices. I mean we could have asked the same question about the first iMac with USB, or the first PowerMac with Firewire. I mean there weren't all that many devices for those ports initially.
You're kinda asking the old question: "Which came first the chicken or the egg", and I think it's pretty obvious which did in this case.
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Now your statment is really quite odd. There are printers being developed for use with it, and I'm sure many other types of devices. I mean we could have asked the same question about the first iMac with USB, or the first PowerMac with Firewire. I mean there weren't all that many devices for those ports initially.
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Well, would the next logical step be to use Rendezvous and a 1 Gigabit Ethernet connection to everything and drop Firewire/USB# completely?
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Well, would the next logical step be to use Rendezvous and a 1 Gigabit Ethernet connection to everything and drop Firewire/USB# completely?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, you have to keep FireWire because it is a peripheral technology connector, and Ethernet is a networking connector, don't clog the bandwidth <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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No, you have to keep FireWire because it is a peripheral technology connector, and Ethernet is a networking connector, don't clog the bandwidth <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well I could agree with Firewire/USB# being used to connect user appliances(Keyboards to iPods), but many Peripherals already are Ethernet. The two major ones being printers and scanners/copiers.
More and more people are having multiple computers with a LAN in thier house. Rendezvous would make connecting almost anything a no-brainer, so I see it easily being more desirable to have Ethernet compatible peripherals than Firewire or USB in many places that already have a LAN.
As for bandwidth. I think 1 Gigabit shouldn't have any trouble, even streaming video from room to room.
The Home server, Gigabit Ethernet and Rendezvous... what more could a Computer Geek want for their house.
<strong>Anyone else think it's kinda cool that one of the bigwigs behind Zeroconf is Stuart Cheshire...the guy who wrote Bolo?!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks Eugene, I thought I was the only one who noticed.
[ 07-30-2002: Message edited by: Xool ]</p>
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No, you have to keep FireWire because it is a peripheral technology connector, and Ethernet is a networking connector, don't clog the bandwidth <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually I just read an interview with Stuart Cheshire, co-chair of the Zero-Conf commitee and lead developer of Rendezvous at Apple (http://www.gaeldesign.com/ib/mw0702_stuart.php).
In which he states his dream of having everything be connected via rendezvous. I guess this does not have to mean that it would all be through Ethernet, but I don't see why not. There is no physical reason not to do this, except to keep traffic off the network.
But reguardless, the guy who wrote it thinks that it will be used in this way in the future.
I hope!
The big advantage of Firewire is power. You can't charge your iPod over Ethernet.
But then of course IP phones are actually powered via Ethernet cable. Hmm.... IP phones...
Screed ...Rendezvous is getting bigger by the moment!!!
<strong>ok, lets forget about apple implementing rendezvous for os9. has any other company said they will be offering it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
none should, Steve Jobs even gave a eulogy for 9!