Pfff. I definitely agree with some folks hear that Apple has let the iPod slip way too long, by half a year, in terms of an update. You have this on one end, Chocolate on another, and who knows if perhaps after another few months Urge/Zune get decent. Their lead to lose indeed.
iTunes...sure it's the best. But it hasn't had much added to it in a long time. It could be better. But the iPod...ugh.
Within a year everyone's phone will play MP3. In another year, every phone will have Bluetooth. Do the math. Why fuck around with an iPod in your pocket if you could have a phone in your pocket and listen to calls AND music through BT buds? I wouldn't. I'd ditch my iPod. That's right. I hate having crap in my pockets. Most people do. On the other hand, there classic idiotic Apple Stubborness? in terms of not adding features until MADE to is probably hurting market share. Where the HELL is the microphone? Radio? People have wanted these for a looooong time. Since 1.0. Assuming that's too "difficult" for people to use is way way beyond condescending. I won't even be able to record grad/law school on my iPod at this rate. I was pissed going in to undergrad I couldn't record. And where is HE-AAC? Seriously. These are no duh things. The other big deal of course is adding phone/PDA functionality. People want it. Apple CAN do it. Steve is just being a dick. As usual. In the end they'll have to though. Or they know they'll lose. Big. Sort of like how Apple makes two button albeit retarded mice now.
Of course there is the alternate route...Allow iPod Nano/Shuffles to be attached to phones, or perhaps make a separate product even smaller than a shuffle, a module, that can be attached to a phone. Either way, if Apple doesn't "Get It" with cell phones, they're fucked. The iPod could be gone in a few years, remembered as a fad. Very possible. I'm surprised investors aren't harping on this.
Pfff. I definitely agree with some folks hear that Apple has let the iPod slip way too long, by half a year, in terms of an update. You have this on one end, Chocolate on another, and who knows if perhaps after another few months Urge/Zune get decent. Their lead to lose indeed.
iTunes...sure it's the best. But it hasn't had much added to it in a long time. It could be better. But the iPod...ugh.
Within a year everyone's phone will play MP3. In another year, every phone will have Bluetooth. Do the math. Why fuck around with an iPod in your pocket if you could have a phone in your pocket and listen to calls AND music through BT buds? I wouldn't. I'd ditch my iPod. That's right. I hate having crap in my pockets. Most people do. On the other hand, there classic idiotic Apple Stubborness? in terms of not adding features until MADE to is probably hurting market share. Where the HELL is the microphone? Radio? People have wanted these for a looooong time. Since 1.0. Assuming that's too "difficult" for people to use is way way beyond condescending. I won't even be able to record grad/law school on my iPod at this rate. I was pissed going in to undergrad I couldn't record. And where is HE-AAC? Seriously. These are no duh things. The other big deal of course is adding phone/PDA functionality. People want it. Apple CAN do it. Steve is just being a dick. As usual. In the end they'll have to though. Or they know they'll lose. Big. Sort of like how Apple makes two button albeit retarded mice now.
Of course there is the alternate route...Allow iPod Nano/Shuffles to be attached to phones, or perhaps make a separate product even smaller than a shuffle, a module, that can be attached to a phone. Either way, if Apple doesn't "Get It" with cell phones, they're fucked. The iPod could be gone in a few years, remembered as a fad. Very possible. I'm surprised investors aren't harping on this.
WOO HOOOOO!! Let it all out, bro!! VENT!!! Huzzah for ranting!
Ok, inform me, as I do not know: Are there no microphone adapters for the current gen iPods?
BT.......hmm... I dont' think that would work through my tin hat.
iTunes: TV programming has been added at quite a rapid pace. I've bought some myself, and i don't even have a viPod.
cellPod.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. personally, I'd rather carry two devices. I wouldnt' want to have almost run down my cell batery listening to music and then get an important phone call, or deprive myself of music because I'm waiting for an important phone call.
PDA: Yeah. I'd like it. Newtonian. Have a PockePC right now, and it's nice. Except for the windows thing.. They managed to screw it up there as well, and it's a totally different code base. well, almost. It has a registry too. Palms aren't (last time I checked, which was quite a while ago) functional enough. I'd like to see an apple pda with a real, solid, os on it.
WOO HOOOOO!! Let it all out, bro!! VENT!!! Huzzah for ranting!
Ok, inform me, as I do not know: Are there no microphone adapters for the current gen iPods?
BT.......hmm... I dont' think that would work through my tin hat.
iTunes: TV programming has been added at quite a rapid pace. I've bought some myself, and i don't even have a viPod.
cellPod.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. personally, I'd rather carry two devices. I wouldnt' want to have almost run down my cell batery listening to music and then get an important phone call, or deprive myself of music because I'm waiting for an important phone call.
PDA: Yeah. I'd like it. Newtonian. Have a PockePC right now, and it's nice. Except for the windows thing.. They managed to screw it up there as well, and it's a totally different code base. well, almost. It has a registry too. Palms aren't (last time I checked, which was quite a while ago) functional enough. I'd like to see an apple pda with a real, solid, os on it.
Heh, heh. I love a good rant... Y'know, the kids don't like watching little vids on their phones, so I'm not 100% convinced the Swiss Army phone approach is going to work with the public. Frankly, I hate my cell phone because it has a poorly designed UI. BUT, I have not purchased a new phone in 3 years... because the new phones are designed even worse! Explain that one for me.
Oh, and... yes, yes, I know this has nothing to do with the bloody SanDisk product. I hope I don't have to post disclaimers on my every comment for the wheedling needlers out there...
Heh, heh. I love a good rant... Y'know, the kids don't like watching little vids on their phones, so I'm not 100% convinced the Swiss Army phone approach is going to work with the public. Frankly, I hate my cell phone because it has a poorly designed UI. BUT, I have not purchased a new phone in 3 years... because the new phones are designed even worse! Explain that one for me.
Oh, and... yes, yes, I know this has nothing to do with the bloody SanDisk product. I hope I don't have to post disclaimers on my every comment for the wheedling needlers out there...
<Launches a full battery of flechetts at SpamSandwitch>
Have you read the entire thread? There are more issues with it than "only" being twice as thick. User replaceable battery isn't new to the portable audio player market, though I'd say that the nano's battery is user replaceable, so long as the user isn't a dunce.
Anything not Apple is the antichrist.
I did not say the product was good or bad in its final incarnation, simply that some of the ideas within it were great and suggested that Apple could learn from it.
Apple has started to waddle, letting their execs make millions off the iPods while not really working to upgrade them or to really "think Different". Sales are up and those people silly enough to play the stock market might make a fast buck or two, but long term sales will drop if Apple fails to keep up with innovations taking place around them.
Bigger, yeah. Heavier, yeah. So what. There are devices here in Japan that are smaller and lighter than the iPod nano and have more features. Different companies make diffferent products in the way they feel best. Not everyone wants a Smart car. Some want a Cadillac.
The nano's batt is replaceable by a small percentage of the population, not your average user (who is buying it). The average user, though not necessarily a dunce, likes things to "just work" (Apple's advertising phrase) and to not have to fiddle with them to improve them. This is why Apple doesn't really make upgradable Macs: the vast, vast majority of their customers never upgrade the machines.
I didn't say that, I didn't mean that and I wish you didn't say that. I am very often critical of Apple's products and I proudly own an old Compaq business notebook and a few old Compaq workstations too. But frankly, the nano is a better quality unit than anything Sandisk currently offers, it's quite a bit less irritating for me to use on a day-to-day basis. Sure, Sandisk has some good points but having used it, those good points are mostly bullet points. It's nice that a user can add memory, but I think the microSD card standard itself has an upper limit of 2GB, I'm not sure what it would do if you fed it a 4GB card, assuming the standard allows it, limiting the usefulness of an upgrade slot as a way to delay upgrades, IMO.
I actually owned an e240 (or whatever number the 2GB version was) for a while because for a while I was on a vibe that Apple was the antichrist. I really didn't think that the Sandisk unit was very good. It had some nifty stuff but the UI wasn't very good.
I don't think for a moment that Apple is just sitting idle with their product. They just had not made their announcements yet for the shopping season.
Regarding the battery, as far as I'm concerned, if it's not a latch-on like a typical cell phone, it's kind of pointless to suggest that it's loads easier and that the nano is so difficult in comparison. Replacing the battery on the e200 series still requires disassembling the unit, and I don't think the nano is that much harder. I don't really expect that the typical consumer to want to have to disassemble the e200 any more than they would do for a nano.
Let's just all hope that Apple comes out with a good update to its current line... won't be an "answer" to Sandisk as it would already have to be in development.
Personally, I would like to see direct camera capture with view capability, mic jack, replaceable batts (yes: easy to snap in/out without any hassle whatsoever), better battery life and a more scratch-resistant body.
I was wondering if they came out with a combo memory unit would it work? For example: 30GB HD with 8GB flash. The movie could then be loaded to flash, allowing the HD to power down during playback, thus saving battery power. Whadda ya'll think? (any engineers out there who want to kill the idea?)
It needs a built in one and/or line in. The end. There's zero reason it hasn't been there since half a DECADE ago. And if you can record, why not have radio? And be able to record that? Of course, that would cut in to iTMS and so I wouldn't be surprised to see them never add radio...but at least a mic. And user replaceable battery, that's a big, big one. The point about your phone call dying because you'd just listened to music all day is an interesting point...perhaps a 5 minute backup battery just for the phone? I still think phones are THE thing people will have in their pockets in less than two years. iPods, PDAs...will be gone. Whether Apple makes a cellPod or not. So they better get on that. I hope Oppenheimer's comment meant just that.
It needs a built in one and/or line in. The end. There's zero reason it hasn't been there since half a DECADE ago. And if you can record, why not have radio? And be able to record that? Of course, that would cut in to iTMS and so I wouldn't be surprised to see them never add radio...but at least a mic. And user replaceable battery, that's a big, big one. The point about your phone call dying because you'd just listened to music all day is an interesting point...perhaps a 5 minute backup battery just for the phone? I still think phones are THE thing people will have in their pockets in less than two years. iPods, PDAs...will be gone. Whether Apple makes a cellPod or not. So they better get on that. I hope Oppenheimer's comment meant just that.
I'm certain that Apple doesn't have recording for some sort of ideology or to maintain a cash flow from third parties. The 4G's hardware can certainly record without attachments, and I bet the 5G can as well, but the built-in OS is set to only allow that if there is an attachment. The current attachments for the 5G are too expensive, and for reasons unknown, but speculated to be somewhere in Apple, there wasn't such an attachment for the 5G until a couple months ago.
To enable recording on the 4G, you just need to install a version of Linux for the iPod. The sound quality is less noisy and offers higher sample rates than using the standard iPod with the recording attachment.
I suspect, though without having looked at the 5G's parts diagrams, that the FM attachment may simply be enabling a built-in tuner and giving it an antenna.
I'm certain that Apple doesn't have recording for some sort of ideology or to maintain a cash flow from third parties. The 4G's hardware can certainly record without attachments, and I bet the 5G can as well, but the built-in OS is set to only allow that if there is an attachment. The current attachments for the 5G are too expensive, and for reasons unknown, but speculated to be somewhere in Apple, there wasn't such an attachment for the 5G until a couple months ago.
To enable recording on the 4G, you just need to install a version of Linux for the iPod. The sound quality is less noisy and offers higher sample rates than using the standard iPod with the recording attachment.
I suspect, without having looked at the 5G's parts diagrams, that the FM attachment may simply be enabling a built-in tuner and giving it an antenna.
Throught the earbuds I assume? (no, I'm not being sarcastic)
Throught the earbuds I assume? (no, I'm not being sarcastic)
You mean the recording? For the 4G, recording mode converts the headphone jack to a recording jack when it is recording. You do have to connect a mic with the correct 1/8" / 3.5mm style miniplug
really: I didn't mean to express such an idea as the one you depicted: I'm not APPLE=GOLD, ANY-OTHER-BRAND=SUCKS.
Just laughin' at the final results of a brainstorm (expensive, I suppose) made to find a product's name like this. The name's sound, to my ears, recalls a squishy, greeny, slippery thing... And it doesn't help selling, I hope you agree
Have a nice day!
There were really two different thoughts... I probably should have started a new topic instead of rambling on after my comment about the name. So far as the name... it just doesn't matter to me at all. People tend to get used to crappy names for good products pretty quick... Like the Nintendo Wii.
You mean the recording? For the 4G, recording mode converts the headphone jack to a recording jack when it is recording. You do have to connect a mic with the correct 1/8" / 3.5mm style miniplug
right. like I said, record through the earbuds. You HAVE tried that before haven't you? Hasn't everyone??? um... I'm gonna go lock myself in the Geek Containment Room.
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iTunes...sure it's the best. But it hasn't had much added to it in a long time. It could be better. But the iPod...ugh.
Within a year everyone's phone will play MP3. In another year, every phone will have Bluetooth. Do the math. Why fuck around with an iPod in your pocket if you could have a phone in your pocket and listen to calls AND music through BT buds? I wouldn't. I'd ditch my iPod. That's right. I hate having crap in my pockets. Most people do. On the other hand, there classic idiotic Apple Stubborness? in terms of not adding features until MADE to is probably hurting market share. Where the HELL is the microphone? Radio? People have wanted these for a looooong time. Since 1.0. Assuming that's too "difficult" for people to use is way way beyond condescending. I won't even be able to record grad/law school on my iPod at this rate. I was pissed going in to undergrad I couldn't record. And where is HE-AAC? Seriously. These are no duh things. The other big deal of course is adding phone/PDA functionality. People want it. Apple CAN do it. Steve is just being a dick. As usual. In the end they'll have to though. Or they know they'll lose. Big. Sort of like how Apple makes two button albeit retarded mice now.
Of course there is the alternate route...Allow iPod Nano/Shuffles to be attached to phones, or perhaps make a separate product even smaller than a shuffle, a module, that can be attached to a phone. Either way, if Apple doesn't "Get It" with cell phones, they're fucked. The iPod could be gone in a few years, remembered as a fad. Very possible. I'm surprised investors aren't harping on this.
Pfff. I definitely agree with some folks hear that Apple has let the iPod slip way too long, by half a year, in terms of an update. You have this on one end, Chocolate on another, and who knows if perhaps after another few months Urge/Zune get decent. Their lead to lose indeed.
iTunes...sure it's the best. But it hasn't had much added to it in a long time. It could be better. But the iPod...ugh.
Within a year everyone's phone will play MP3. In another year, every phone will have Bluetooth. Do the math. Why fuck around with an iPod in your pocket if you could have a phone in your pocket and listen to calls AND music through BT buds? I wouldn't. I'd ditch my iPod. That's right. I hate having crap in my pockets. Most people do. On the other hand, there classic idiotic Apple Stubborness? in terms of not adding features until MADE to is probably hurting market share. Where the HELL is the microphone? Radio? People have wanted these for a looooong time. Since 1.0. Assuming that's too "difficult" for people to use is way way beyond condescending. I won't even be able to record grad/law school on my iPod at this rate. I was pissed going in to undergrad I couldn't record. And where is HE-AAC? Seriously. These are no duh things. The other big deal of course is adding phone/PDA functionality. People want it. Apple CAN do it. Steve is just being a dick. As usual. In the end they'll have to though. Or they know they'll lose. Big. Sort of like how Apple makes two button albeit retarded mice now.
Of course there is the alternate route...Allow iPod Nano/Shuffles to be attached to phones, or perhaps make a separate product even smaller than a shuffle, a module, that can be attached to a phone. Either way, if Apple doesn't "Get It" with cell phones, they're fucked. The iPod could be gone in a few years, remembered as a fad. Very possible. I'm surprised investors aren't harping on this.
WOO HOOOOO!! Let it all out, bro!! VENT!!! Huzzah for ranting!
Ok, inform me, as I do not know: Are there no microphone adapters for the current gen iPods?
BT.......hmm... I dont' think that would work through my tin hat.
iTunes: TV programming has been added at quite a rapid pace. I've bought some myself, and i don't even have a viPod.
cellPod.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. personally, I'd rather carry two devices. I wouldnt' want to have almost run down my cell batery listening to music and then get an important phone call, or deprive myself of music because I'm waiting for an important phone call.
PDA: Yeah. I'd like it. Newtonian. Have a PockePC right now, and it's nice. Except for the windows thing.. They managed to screw it up there as well, and it's a totally different code base. well, almost. It has a registry too.
WOO HOOOOO!! Let it all out, bro!! VENT!!! Huzzah for ranting!
Ok, inform me, as I do not know: Are there no microphone adapters for the current gen iPods?
BT.......hmm... I dont' think that would work through my tin hat.
iTunes: TV programming has been added at quite a rapid pace. I've bought some myself, and i don't even have a viPod.
cellPod.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. personally, I'd rather carry two devices. I wouldnt' want to have almost run down my cell batery listening to music and then get an important phone call, or deprive myself of music because I'm waiting for an important phone call.
PDA: Yeah. I'd like it. Newtonian. Have a PockePC right now, and it's nice. Except for the windows thing.. They managed to screw it up there as well, and it's a totally different code base. well, almost. It has a registry too.
Heh, heh. I love a good rant... Y'know, the kids don't like watching little vids on their phones, so I'm not 100% convinced the Swiss Army phone approach is going to work with the public. Frankly, I hate my cell phone because it has a poorly designed UI. BUT, I have not purchased a new phone in 3 years... because the new phones are designed even worse! Explain that one for me.
Oh, and... yes, yes, I know this has nothing to do with the bloody SanDisk product. I hope I don't have to post disclaimers on my every comment for the wheedling needlers out there...
Heh, heh. I love a good rant... Y'know, the kids don't like watching little vids on their phones, so I'm not 100% convinced the Swiss Army phone approach is going to work with the public. Frankly, I hate my cell phone because it has a poorly designed UI. BUT, I have not purchased a new phone in 3 years... because the new phones are designed even worse! Explain that one for me.
Oh, and... yes, yes, I know this has nothing to do with the bloody SanDisk product. I hope I don't have to post disclaimers on my every comment for the wheedling needlers out there...
<Launches a full battery of flechetts at SpamSandwitch>
<Launches a full battery of flechetts at SpamSandwitch>
Have you read the entire thread? There are more issues with it than "only" being twice as thick. User replaceable battery isn't new to the portable audio player market, though I'd say that the nano's battery is user replaceable, so long as the user isn't a dunce.
Anything not Apple is the antichrist.
I did not say the product was good or bad in its final incarnation, simply that some of the ideas within it were great and suggested that Apple could learn from it.
Apple has started to waddle, letting their execs make millions off the iPods while not really working to upgrade them or to really "think Different". Sales are up and those people silly enough to play the stock market might make a fast buck or two, but long term sales will drop if Apple fails to keep up with innovations taking place around them.
Bigger, yeah. Heavier, yeah. So what. There are devices here in Japan that are smaller and lighter than the iPod nano and have more features. Different companies make diffferent products in the way they feel best. Not everyone wants a Smart car. Some want a Cadillac.
The nano's batt is replaceable by a small percentage of the population, not your average user (who is buying it). The average user, though not necessarily a dunce, likes things to "just work" (Apple's advertising phrase) and to not have to fiddle with them to improve them. This is why Apple doesn't really make upgradable Macs: the vast, vast majority of their customers never upgrade the machines.
Anything not Apple is the antichrist.
I didn't say that, I didn't mean that and I wish you didn't say that. I am very often critical of Apple's products and I proudly own an old Compaq business notebook and a few old Compaq workstations too. But frankly, the nano is a better quality unit than anything Sandisk currently offers, it's quite a bit less irritating for me to use on a day-to-day basis. Sure, Sandisk has some good points but having used it, those good points are mostly bullet points. It's nice that a user can add memory, but I think the microSD card standard itself has an upper limit of 2GB, I'm not sure what it would do if you fed it a 4GB card, assuming the standard allows it, limiting the usefulness of an upgrade slot as a way to delay upgrades, IMO.
I actually owned an e240 (or whatever number the 2GB version was) for a while because for a while I was on a vibe that Apple was the antichrist. I really didn't think that the Sandisk unit was very good. It had some nifty stuff but the UI wasn't very good.
I don't think for a moment that Apple is just sitting idle with their product. They just had not made their announcements yet for the shopping season.
Regarding the battery, as far as I'm concerned, if it's not a latch-on like a typical cell phone, it's kind of pointless to suggest that it's loads easier and that the nano is so difficult in comparison. Replacing the battery on the e200 series still requires disassembling the unit, and I don't think the nano is that much harder. I don't really expect that the typical consumer to want to have to disassemble the e200 any more than they would do for a nano.
Personally, I would like to see direct camera capture with view capability, mic jack, replaceable batts (yes: easy to snap in/out without any hassle whatsoever), better battery life and a more scratch-resistant body.
I was wondering if they came out with a combo memory unit would it work? For example: 30GB HD with 8GB flash. The movie could then be loaded to flash, allowing the HD to power down during playback, thus saving battery power. Whadda ya'll think? (any engineers out there who want to kill the idea?)
It needs a built in one and/or line in. The end. There's zero reason it hasn't been there since half a DECADE ago. And if you can record, why not have radio? And be able to record that? Of course, that would cut in to iTMS and so I wouldn't be surprised to see them never add radio...but at least a mic. And user replaceable battery, that's a big, big one. The point about your phone call dying because you'd just listened to music all day is an interesting point...perhaps a 5 minute backup battery just for the phone? I still think phones are THE thing people will have in their pockets in less than two years. iPods, PDAs...will be gone. Whether Apple makes a cellPod or not. So they better get on that. I hope Oppenheimer's comment meant just that.
Microphone adapter?!?
It needs a built in one and/or line in. The end. There's zero reason it hasn't been there since half a DECADE ago. And if you can record, why not have radio? And be able to record that? Of course, that would cut in to iTMS and so I wouldn't be surprised to see them never add radio...but at least a mic. And user replaceable battery, that's a big, big one. The point about your phone call dying because you'd just listened to music all day is an interesting point...perhaps a 5 minute backup battery just for the phone? I still think phones are THE thing people will have in their pockets in less than two years. iPods, PDAs...will be gone. Whether Apple makes a cellPod or not. So they better get on that. I hope Oppenheimer's comment meant just that.
I'm certain that Apple doesn't have recording for some sort of ideology or to maintain a cash flow from third parties. The 4G's hardware can certainly record without attachments, and I bet the 5G can as well, but the built-in OS is set to only allow that if there is an attachment. The current attachments for the 5G are too expensive, and for reasons unknown, but speculated to be somewhere in Apple, there wasn't such an attachment for the 5G until a couple months ago.
To enable recording on the 4G, you just need to install a version of Linux for the iPod. The sound quality is less noisy and offers higher sample rates than using the standard iPod with the recording attachment.
I suspect, though without having looked at the 5G's parts diagrams, that the FM attachment may simply be enabling a built-in tuner and giving it an antenna.
I'm certain that Apple doesn't have recording for some sort of ideology or to maintain a cash flow from third parties. The 4G's hardware can certainly record without attachments, and I bet the 5G can as well, but the built-in OS is set to only allow that if there is an attachment. The current attachments for the 5G are too expensive, and for reasons unknown, but speculated to be somewhere in Apple, there wasn't such an attachment for the 5G until a couple months ago.
To enable recording on the 4G, you just need to install a version of Linux for the iPod. The sound quality is less noisy and offers higher sample rates than using the standard iPod with the recording attachment.
I suspect, without having looked at the 5G's parts diagrams, that the FM attachment may simply be enabling a built-in tuner and giving it an antenna.
Throught the earbuds I assume? (no, I'm not being sarcastic)
Throught the earbuds I assume? (no, I'm not being sarcastic)
You mean the recording? For the 4G, recording mode converts the headphone jack to a recording jack when it is recording. You do have to connect a mic with the correct 1/8" / 3.5mm style miniplug
Hello Joey,
really: I didn't mean to express such an idea as the one you depicted: I'm not APPLE=GOLD, ANY-OTHER-BRAND=SUCKS.
Just laughin' at the final results of a brainstorm (expensive, I suppose) made to find a product's name like this. The name's sound, to my ears, recalls a squishy, greeny, slippery thing... And it doesn't help selling, I hope you agree
Have a nice day!
There were really two different thoughts... I probably should have started a new topic instead of rambling on after my comment about the name. So far as the name... it just doesn't matter to me at all. People tend to get used to crappy names for good products pretty quick... Like the Nintendo Wii.
You mean the recording? For the 4G, recording mode converts the headphone jack to a recording jack when it is recording. You do have to connect a mic with the correct 1/8" / 3.5mm style miniplug
right. like I said, record through the earbuds. You HAVE tried that before haven't you? Hasn't everyone??? um... I'm gonna go lock myself in the Geek Containment Room.