To be fair, the memory consumption is probably because everything was compiled with debug mode turned on and they probably turned it off on some parts of the code. Debug mode greatly increases the memory footprint.
You don't compile and build a public beta with debug symbols included. That would be like giving every hacker in the world an easily removable map of everything the OS does. As bird brained as MS can be I'm sure they aren't doing that, it would be excruciatingly painful to do compared to setting release for the build mode.
Also remember, once upon a time MS said 4GB RAM and a dual core 4Ghz 64-bit processor was going to be the minimum supported hardware. They knew al along they were dealing with good old fashioned bloat.
Now for the soapbox. What idiot thinks an OS should have several times to several dozen times larger a footprint in RAM than the vast majority of applications? The effing OS is supposed to serve multiple applications efficiently, not eat your entire machine on it's own.
Must be nice to live in the world where anything that's put out must be a knock-off of an Apple feature.
They all followed grep, but until VERY recently only Apple has made it useable.
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Oh, that's right, its not stealing anything from Konfabulator, even though it works and looks basically JUST LIKE IT! Its "let's go back as far as possible and see what we can compare Dashboard to that Apple has done". Fine, you want to say its an extension of Desk Accessories (a System 1 thing, not a system 6 thing), I can go with that. But then how is rehashing something that was done in the 80's an 'earth-shattering' advance. And technically not as good in one sense, because, without hacking the OS, you can't see the stuff on the calculator after you're finished with it.
This is old hash. Konfabulator was a way to bring back desk accessories. It didn't take off in Mac land because it was so damn hard to make widgets and was a resource hog of famous repute. Like just about everything Apple has done, they took the existing state of the art and mad it useable for the masses, or in this case re-introduced the desk accessories with a twist that resembled Konfabulators. Apple is quite on record as saying they won't step into the space of well designed third party apps, but crappy apps that users want done right they will step in if the delay is too long. The list of Apple projects there is very long, no apologies since what went before didn't measure up.
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It may not need to be popular, but its got to have some kind of legs. What are the Core technologies? A set of libraries or frameworks you can use within your program to perform certain tasks. What does it mean? Well, in essence, if someone is developing a multimedia app, they can use these frameworks rather than buying someone else's frameworks or coding your own.
If you are a developer these are big. If you're not you have no reason to ever be aware of them. Don't hate on what you have no need to understand. It just exposes your ignorance of what constitutes a powerful technology.
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I don't see that. Based on what I've read and heard (which could be all wrong), TimeMachine requires a second hard drive (external) of at least the same size as your internal, and it only can back up then entire drive, not individual folders. The versioning is interesting, but that doesn't outweigh the fact that most users don't have, nor will they buy, an external hard drive (they want to back up to CD or DVD, an option Apple only offers with .Mac). And most people with external hard drives probably already have backup systems in place that offer better security and restoration.
You are all wrong. Time machine can be configured down to the individual file level. As to why don't users have external drives for backup already? The current solutions are written for sysadmins, not grandmas. Now ther will be a larger market for external drives because EVERYONE can do SIMPLE backups. Telling mom and pop that they can plug and play the backup and not loose the digital pictures of junior is huge. Right now every solution is just too much of a pain in the ass. Again Apple didn't invent it, just made it accessible to regular users, that alone is earth-shattering
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BTW, did you notice how the animation TimeMachine uses is a lot like the animation Windows Vista uses for stacking their windows? Apparently copying works both ways....
And the Windows examples don't look like various file organization research demo videos that have been released over the last 5-7 years? Getting the big boys to buy in is the whole purpose of the research, and that research tends to show certain metaphors work well for certain classes of tasks. Two companies independently using a publicly published metaphor isn't copying, it is following the whole damn reason for research in the first place.
He probably called it Apple's OS, and the typically idiotic tech writer munged it up.
I don't see why this is an issue. Companies' names have been used as adjectives in conversations around me all my life (notice I avoid generalizing to the whole U.S., though I have heard this on national news too). It would be just as acceptable to refer to Windows as the Microsoft OS.
I don't see why this is an issue. Companies' names have been used as adjectives in conversations around me all my life (notice I avoid generalizing to the whole U.S., though I have heard this on national news too). It would be just as acceptable to refer to Windows as the Microsoft OS.
More examples:
Apple iPod
Microsoft Zune Player
the Enron scandal.
and so on.
Hey, just because the journalists have been munging up the proper use of possessives for a long time doesn't mean it suddenly became OK.
I'm not seeing those parallels. Copland has little to nothing to do with OS X many of its prime features were rolled into OS 9. Jobs came in with Next and the idea of Copland as the next generation OS was totally thrown in the trash.
Jobs came in with NeXT *BECAUSE* Copland was already an unwieldy / unworkable resource drain...and already being hauled out to the dumpster.
The moral of the story? Vista could be Redmond's Copland in the same way that Afghanistan was the Soviet Union's Viet Nam: by the time they get it sorted out, the game will already be over.
The good news, OTOH, is that one random forum poster seeing it or not isn't a factor.
I'd like to quickly admit that I was wrong about Time Machine. It appears to me that it does rely on external drives, but I assume that Apple would allow users the option of backing up to an internal drive as well, though probably not the same partition.
I'd like to quickly admit that I was wrong about Time Machine. It appears to me that it does rely on external drives, but I assume that Apple would allow users the option of backing up to an internal drive as well, though probably not the same partition.
The wording on their site seems to suggest that they will allow you to use a separate partition on the same drive, at least it doesn't have anything to suggest that they will even remind the user that it's not good practice to do so.
I'm just saying that it's not as good of a data protection solution as using a separate hard drive for the backup system. Using the same drive will still provide the "roll-back" potential in case a file was inadvertently corrupted, changed or deleted, but if the drive dies, you've lost your original and the backup.
seems like there's too much concern over the 'external hard drive' aspect of Time Machine: in case no one's noticed, external hds w/ capacities >160gb are less than 100USD.
that's pretty cheap insurance - hell, 10 years ago, a CD burner cost close to 1000USD.
seems like there's too much concern over the 'external hard drive' aspect of Time Machine: in case no one's noticed, external hds w/ capacities >160gb are less than 100USD.
that's pretty cheap insurance - hell, 10 years ago, a CD burner cost close to 1000USD.
JeffDM, you make excellent points!
<Predicto!!! Hat stuff.... I forgot how it goes >
That's why I predicted that Apple will have some sort of hardware tie-in like dual harddrives on every machine. It's very cheap and it would REALLY make TimeMachine "for the masses" and "just work"
<throws the hat in the bomb shelter and goes on his merry way. What is this, Lebanon? Bomb shelters! Pfft!>
That's why I predicted that Apple will have some sort of hardware tie-in like dual harddrives on every machine. It's very cheap and it would REALLY make TimeMachine "for the masses" and "just work"
<throws the hat in the bomb shelter and goes on his merry way. What is this, Lebanon? Bomb shelters! Pfft!>
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To be fair, the memory consumption is probably because everything was compiled with debug mode turned on and they probably turned it off on some parts of the code. Debug mode greatly increases the memory footprint.
You don't compile and build a public beta with debug symbols included. That would be like giving every hacker in the world an easily removable map of everything the OS does. As bird brained as MS can be I'm sure they aren't doing that, it would be excruciatingly painful to do compared to setting release for the build mode.
Also remember, once upon a time MS said 4GB RAM and a dual core 4Ghz 64-bit processor was going to be the minimum supported hardware. They knew al along they were dealing with good old fashioned bloat.
Now for the soapbox. What idiot thinks an OS should have several times to several dozen times larger a footprint in RAM than the vast majority of applications? The effing OS is supposed to serve multiple applications efficiently, not eat your entire machine on it's own.
I don't think the average reader knows what "OS X" is, so that's likely why he called it "Apple OS"
He probably called it Apple's OS, and the typically idiotic tech writer munged it up.
Must be nice to live in the world where anything that's put out must be a knock-off of an Apple feature.
They all followed grep, but until VERY recently only Apple has made it useable.
Oh, that's right, its not stealing anything from Konfabulator, even though it works and looks basically JUST LIKE IT! Its "let's go back as far as possible and see what we can compare Dashboard to that Apple has done". Fine, you want to say its an extension of Desk Accessories (a System 1 thing, not a system 6 thing), I can go with that. But then how is rehashing something that was done in the 80's an 'earth-shattering' advance. And technically not as good in one sense, because, without hacking the OS, you can't see the stuff on the calculator after you're finished with it.
This is old hash. Konfabulator was a way to bring back desk accessories. It didn't take off in Mac land because it was so damn hard to make widgets and was a resource hog of famous repute. Like just about everything Apple has done, they took the existing state of the art and mad it useable for the masses, or in this case re-introduced the desk accessories with a twist that resembled Konfabulators. Apple is quite on record as saying they won't step into the space of well designed third party apps, but crappy apps that users want done right they will step in if the delay is too long. The list of Apple projects there is very long, no apologies since what went before didn't measure up.
It may not need to be popular, but its got to have some kind of legs. What are the Core technologies? A set of libraries or frameworks you can use within your program to perform certain tasks. What does it mean? Well, in essence, if someone is developing a multimedia app, they can use these frameworks rather than buying someone else's frameworks or coding your own.
If you are a developer these are big. If you're not you have no reason to ever be aware of them. Don't hate on what you have no need to understand. It just exposes your ignorance of what constitutes a powerful technology.
I don't see that. Based on what I've read and heard (which could be all wrong), TimeMachine requires a second hard drive (external) of at least the same size as your internal, and it only can back up then entire drive, not individual folders. The versioning is interesting, but that doesn't outweigh the fact that most users don't have, nor will they buy, an external hard drive (they want to back up to CD or DVD, an option Apple only offers with .Mac). And most people with external hard drives probably already have backup systems in place that offer better security and restoration.
You are all wrong. Time machine can be configured down to the individual file level. As to why don't users have external drives for backup already? The current solutions are written for sysadmins, not grandmas. Now ther will be a larger market for external drives because EVERYONE can do SIMPLE backups. Telling mom and pop that they can plug and play the backup and not loose the digital pictures of junior is huge. Right now every solution is just too much of a pain in the ass. Again Apple didn't invent it, just made it accessible to regular users, that alone is earth-shattering
BTW, did you notice how the animation TimeMachine uses is a lot like the animation Windows Vista uses for stacking their windows? Apparently copying works both ways....
And the Windows examples don't look like various file organization research demo videos that have been released over the last 5-7 years? Getting the big boys to buy in is the whole purpose of the research, and that research tends to show certain metaphors work well for certain classes of tasks. Two companies independently using a publicly published metaphor isn't copying, it is following the whole damn reason for research in the first place.
He probably called it Apple's OS, and the typically idiotic tech writer munged it up.
I don't see why this is an issue. Companies' names have been used as adjectives in conversations around me all my life (notice I avoid generalizing to the whole U.S., though I have heard this on national news too). It would be just as acceptable to refer to Windows as the Microsoft OS.
More examples:
Apple iPod
Microsoft Zune Player
the Enron scandal.
and so on.
I don't see why this is an issue. Companies' names have been used as adjectives in conversations around me all my life (notice I avoid generalizing to the whole U.S., though I have heard this on national news too). It would be just as acceptable to refer to Windows as the Microsoft OS.
More examples:
Apple iPod
Microsoft Zune Player
the Enron scandal.
and so on.
Hey, just because the journalists have been munging up the proper use of possessives for a long time doesn't mean it suddenly became OK.
Please. Tiger beta was released amid much fanfare about Spotlight. 3 or 4 months later, MS and Google both release the same product.
Google released Google Desktop Search long before any Tiger beta.
Although Microsoft has not planned a Beta 3 release, some testers are suggesting that the company reconsider.
I'm not seeing those parallels. Copland has little to nothing to do with OS X many of its prime features were rolled into OS 9. Jobs came in with Next and the idea of Copland as the next generation OS was totally thrown in the trash.
Jobs came in with NeXT *BECAUSE* Copland was already an unwieldy / unworkable resource drain...and already being hauled out to the dumpster.
The moral of the story? Vista could be Redmond's Copland in the same way that Afghanistan was the Soviet Union's Viet Nam: by the time they get it sorted out, the game will already be over.
The good news, OTOH, is that one random forum poster seeing it or not isn't a factor.
Yes, but Balmer would bounce.
http://www.flamingmailbox.com/maccom...es/balmer.html
Vista is already a failure. it's had so many problems that there is not way any IT department is going to upgrade to it.
They will because they are mindless sheep.8)
Allow me to repeat myself: Vista will never ship.
I'd like to quickly admit that I was wrong about Time Machine. It appears to me that it does rely on external drives, but I assume that Apple would allow users the option of backing up to an internal drive as well, though probably not the same partition.
The wording on their site seems to suggest that they will allow you to use a separate partition on the same drive, at least it doesn't have anything to suggest that they will even remind the user that it's not good practice to do so.
I'm just saying that it's not as good of a data protection solution as using a separate hard drive for the backup system. Using the same drive will still provide the "roll-back" potential in case a file was inadvertently corrupted, changed or deleted, but if the drive dies, you've lost your original and the backup.
that's pretty cheap insurance - hell, 10 years ago, a CD burner cost close to 1000USD.
JeffDM, you make excellent points!
seems like there's too much concern over the 'external hard drive' aspect of Time Machine: in case no one's noticed, external hds w/ capacities >160gb are less than 100USD.
that's pretty cheap insurance - hell, 10 years ago, a CD burner cost close to 1000USD.
JeffDM, you make excellent points!
<Predicto!!! Hat stuff.... I forgot how it goes
That's why I predicted that Apple will have some sort of hardware tie-in like dual harddrives on every machine. It's very cheap and it would REALLY make TimeMachine "for the masses" and "just work"
<throws the hat in the bomb shelter and goes on his merry way. What is this, Lebanon? Bomb shelters! Pfft!>
Allow me to repeat myself: Vista will never ship.
Uh oh. Here we go again.
<Predicto!!! Hat stuff.... I forgot how it goes
That's why I predicted that Apple will have some sort of hardware tie-in like dual harddrives on every machine. It's very cheap and it would REALLY make TimeMachine "for the masses" and "just work"
<throws the hat in the bomb shelter and goes on his merry way. What is this, Lebanon? Bomb shelters! Pfft!>
lol, thats the spirit!