Apple's method of burning media is ridiculously unintuitive. I suggest downloading the free LiquidCD or Burn and burn files the normal way... state what type of media you want to burn (eg: Video or Data DVD), drag files to a pane, and click a burn button. I'm really surprised at the retardedness of Apple's Finder disc burning.
it is so unintuitive that even my mother, who entirely fails to get a mobile phone
to work got the disk burn ability at a Mac almost immediately.
Seriously it is so easy that you have to ask, why took it soooo long
in computer history to make an human disk burn app?
Apples DiskBurner is a No-Brainer as its best. IMHO
But i surely know that a lot of people who want to
do basic things on ther computer just expect a lot of
hurdles to do so. Not in the Mac world.
How to burn a CD/DVD on a Mac right out of the box?
Insert a blank media, wait untill it show up on the desktop
drag files on the icon, eject it, no further Clicks and nagging dialogs.
If you want better (read: more options), get Toast.
Well, that's great for both of you, but there's nothing visible in the Finder to suggest it burns discs, and searching for an app with 'Burn' in it's name yields nothing useful, and the way every other GUI disc burning software works on any platform is to drag files to an App window, click 'burn' and pop in a disc.
Toast is intuitive, as are Liquid CD and Burn (the latter two being free). I think Apple's method of burning media is goofy. If I was alone in that, there probably wouldn't be like 7 free disc burning apps for OS X
Well, that's great for both of you, but there's nothing visible in the Finder to suggest it burns discs,
There shouldn't be. You are overthinking it because you know that burning is different from copying - but to the new user, it is the same, copy these files to this disk and eject it.
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and searching for an app with 'Burn' in it's (sic) name yields nothing useful, and the way every other GUI disc burning software works on any platform is to drag files to an App window, click 'burn' and pop in a disc.
Which is a bad way to do it - copying to any other volume is: drag-file-to-the-destination-volume. It should be the exact same with a CD or DVD volume- they both appear in the Finder the same way other hard drives do.
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Toast is intuitive, as are Liquid CD and Burn (the latter two being free). I think Apple's method of burning media is goofy. If I was alone in that, there probably wouldn't be like 7 free disc burning apps for OS X
If a user inserts a CD, how are they going to know to open Toast to do something with that CD? How is that intuitive?
When Steve demoed the CD burning, remember how he dragged files to the CD and then ejected it, and the Finder put up the Burn - OK? dialog and he just said something like, "well, we aren't going to spend time watching it burn the disk", and the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the simplicity of the design. Steve looked surprised, and said "Well, that's how it SHOULD work!" - referring to the awkward design of other platforms that require you to explicitly launch some app in order to copy files to a CD, when you DON'T have to launch any special app to copy files to a hard drive. And when we had floppies, nobody had to launch a special app to copy files to them either, or to Zip, or to Jaz, or to Bernoulli.
TWhen Steve demoed the CD burning, remember how he dragged files to the CD and then ejected it, and the Finder put up the Burn - OK? dialog and he just said something like, "well, we aren't going to spend time watching it burn the disk", and the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the simplicity of the design. Steve looked surprised, and said "Well, that's how it SHOULD work!" - referring to the awkward design of other platforms that require you to explicitly launch some app in order to copy files to a CD, when you DON'T have to launch any special app to copy files to a hard drive. And when we had floppies, nobody had to launch a special app to copy files to them either, or to Zip, or to Jaz, or to Bernoulli.
Exactly. Every other piece of removable media acts the same: an icon appears on the Desktop (or sidebar) and files are copied to it. 1337_5L4Xx0R: why shouldn't CD/DVD have the same thinking behind it?
If a user inserts a CD, how are they going to know to open Toast to do something with that CD? How is that intuitive?
When Steve demoed the CD burning, remember how he dragged files to the CD and then ejected it, and the Finder put up the Burn - OK? dialog and he just said something like, "well, we aren't going to spend time watching it burn the disk", and the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the simplicity of the design. Steve looked surprised, and said "Well, that's how it SHOULD work!" - referring to the awkward design of other platforms that require you to explicitly launch some app in order to copy files to a CD, when you DON'T have to launch any special app to copy files to a hard drive. And when we had floppies, nobody had to launch a special app to copy files to them either, or to Zip, or to Jaz, or to Bernoulli.
Windows actually does it that way too where you drag stuff to the CD/DVD drive for burning. Only trouble is it didn't work when I tried it and I spent about 15 minutes with it before I just used some bundled software.
What I like are options and for burning, Apple has about as many as you could need. Burn folders, itunes burning, Disk Utility burning, direct CD/DVD burning, 3rd party burning. This way you're never stuck.
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Apple's method of burning media is ridiculously unintuitive. I suggest downloading the free LiquidCD or Burn and burn files the normal way... state what type of media you want to burn (eg: Video or Data DVD), drag files to a pane, and click a burn button. I'm really surprised at the retardedness of Apple's Finder disc burning.
to work got the disk burn ability at a Mac almost immediately.
Seriously it is so easy that you have to ask, why took it soooo long
in computer history to make an human disk burn app?
Apples DiskBurner is a No-Brainer as its best. IMHO
But i surely know that a lot of people who want to
do basic things on ther computer just expect a lot of
hurdles to do so. Not in the Mac world.
How to burn a CD/DVD on a Mac right out of the box?
Insert a blank media, wait untill it show up on the desktop
drag files on the icon, eject it, no further Clicks and nagging dialogs.
If you want better (read: more options), get Toast.
Toast is intuitive, as are Liquid CD and Burn (the latter two being free). I think Apple's method of burning media is goofy. If I was alone in that, there probably wouldn't be like 7 free disc burning apps for OS X
Well, that's great for both of you, but there's nothing visible in the Finder to suggest it burns discs,
There shouldn't be. You are overthinking it because you know that burning is different from copying - but to the new user, it is the same, copy these files to this disk and eject it.
and searching for an app with 'Burn' in it's (sic) name yields nothing useful, and the way every other GUI disc burning software works on any platform is to drag files to an App window, click 'burn' and pop in a disc.
Which is a bad way to do it - copying to any other volume is: drag-file-to-the-destination-volume. It should be the exact same with a CD or DVD volume- they both appear in the Finder the same way other hard drives do.
Toast is intuitive, as are Liquid CD and Burn (the latter two being free). I think Apple's method of burning media is goofy. If I was alone in that, there probably wouldn't be like 7 free disc burning apps for OS X
If a user inserts a CD, how are they going to know to open Toast to do something with that CD? How is that intuitive?
When Steve demoed the CD burning, remember how he dragged files to the CD and then ejected it, and the Finder put up the Burn - OK? dialog and he just said something like, "well, we aren't going to spend time watching it burn the disk", and the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the simplicity of the design. Steve looked surprised, and said "Well, that's how it SHOULD work!" - referring to the awkward design of other platforms that require you to explicitly launch some app in order to copy files to a CD, when you DON'T have to launch any special app to copy files to a hard drive. And when we had floppies, nobody had to launch a special app to copy files to them either, or to Zip, or to Jaz, or to Bernoulli.
TWhen Steve demoed the CD burning, remember how he dragged files to the CD and then ejected it, and the Finder put up the Burn - OK? dialog and he just said something like, "well, we aren't going to spend time watching it burn the disk", and the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the simplicity of the design. Steve looked surprised, and said "Well, that's how it SHOULD work!" - referring to the awkward design of other platforms that require you to explicitly launch some app in order to copy files to a CD, when you DON'T have to launch any special app to copy files to a hard drive. And when we had floppies, nobody had to launch a special app to copy files to them either, or to Zip, or to Jaz, or to Bernoulli.
Exactly. Every other piece of removable media acts the same: an icon appears on the Desktop (or sidebar) and files are copied to it. 1337_5L4Xx0R: why shouldn't CD/DVD have the same thinking behind it?
If a user inserts a CD, how are they going to know to open Toast to do something with that CD? How is that intuitive?
When Steve demoed the CD burning, remember how he dragged files to the CD and then ejected it, and the Finder put up the Burn - OK? dialog and he just said something like, "well, we aren't going to spend time watching it burn the disk", and the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the simplicity of the design. Steve looked surprised, and said "Well, that's how it SHOULD work!" - referring to the awkward design of other platforms that require you to explicitly launch some app in order to copy files to a CD, when you DON'T have to launch any special app to copy files to a hard drive. And when we had floppies, nobody had to launch a special app to copy files to them either, or to Zip, or to Jaz, or to Bernoulli.
Great mindset this Steve.
What I like are options and for burning, Apple has about as many as you could need. Burn folders, itunes burning, Disk Utility burning, direct CD/DVD burning, 3rd party burning. This way you're never stuck.
What's unintuitive... about dragging a disc to the Trash or ejecting it to burn it?
Yeah the old question, whether dragging an item (that which you WON'T delete)
onto the trash is good or bad Interface design. MAc OS X solved this issue
by being strictly contextual. You know, start dragging/moving a volume in MacOS X
and the trash icon changes its appearance. Great.
Btw, i find your nickname very unintuitive.