Really? Copy and paste the headline into any grammer checking program. Microsoft word is one suggestion but please, feel free to use any grammer checking program and get back to me. You can say "I went fishing, flying this weekend".
That would be a grammatically correct sentence. See, you showing your illiteracy again.
Please shut up and move on and stop embarassing yourself. Unless you are an english professor or language specialist, please don't correct unless you are absolutely sure you are correct. No one likes getting corrected by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Just because the sentence sounds funny to you does not mean it is grammatically incorrect.
Just because Word doesn't catch it doesn't mean it's correct. Word screws up all the time.
This is from Purdue's English section of their website:
Quote:
5. Use commas to separate three or more words, phrases, or clauses written in a series.
The Constitution establishes the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government.
The candidate promised to lower taxes, protect the environment, reduce crime, and end unemployment.
The prosecutor argued that the defendant, who was at the scene of the crime, who had a strong revenge motive, and who had access to the murder weapon, was guilty of homicide.
6. Use commas to separate two or more coordinate adjectives that describe the same noun. Be sure never to add an extra comma between the final adjective and the noun itself or to use commas with non-coordinate adjectives.
Coordinate adjectives are adjectives with equal ("co"-ordinate) status in describing the noun; neither adjective is subordinate to the other. You can decide if two adjectives in a row are coordinate by asking the following questions:
Does the sentence make sense if the adjectives are written in reverse order?
Does the sentence make sense if the adjectives are written with and between them?
If you answer yes to these questions, then the adjectives are coordinate and should be separated by a comma. Here are some examples of coordinate and non-coordinate adjectives:
He was a difficult, stubborn child. (coordinate)
They lived in a white frame house. (non-coordinate)
She often wore a gray wool shawl. (non-coordinate)
Your cousin has an easy, happy smile. (coordinate)
The 1) relentless, 2) powerful 3) summer sun beat down on them. (1-2 are coordinate; 2-3 are non-coordinate.)
The 1) relentless, 2) powerful, 3) oppressive sun beat down on them. (Both 1-2 and 2-3 are coordinate.)
Ok, so the first rule is "Use commas to separate three or more words, phrases, or clauses written in a series."
There are only two words here, Apple and Dell, so they don't get to be separated by a comma.
The second rule is "Use commas to separate two or more coordinate adjectives that describe the same noun."
This rule doesn't apply either because Apple and Dell are not adjectives, they're nouns. Nouns can however be used as adjectives, but I've never seen them used in a list like that before. An example of an adjectival use of a noun would be "Georgia Peach" or "Mountain Bike". I couldn't find any source that said that "Georgia, Florida Peach" would be grammatically incorrect, but *I* tend to think it is simply cause it sounds wrong. Just like "Apple, Dell Notebook" sounds wrong.
I've wasted enough time on this pointless argument. Technically speaking, I suppose you could be correct. But whether or not you really are correct, I think, is debatable. We need an English professor.
F*CK the English professor. What use are they? For example, how can American English sanction "I wrote him the other day"? For frack's sake it should be "I wrote to him the other day". And stuff I said before like "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out Tuesday" should be "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out on Tuesday". And sentences should normally NOT start with And or Because.
One could argue using the comma for two thingys are just a natural evolution or devolution (de-evolution? devolution?) of American English.
"Coming up next, Jessica Simpson, Shakira caught up in a scandalous lesbian affair"
This is more an American-English style, where sentences are shrunk, eg. "Apple will be releasing its profit reports Tuesday", which would never fly in [the] UK or Australia, where it would have to be written as "Apple will be releasing its profit reports on Tuesday"
I would say, "Apple to release profit reports Tuesday."
F*CK the English professor. What use are they? For example, how can American English sanction "I wrote him the other day"? For frack's sake it should be "I wrote to him the other day". And stuff I said before like "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out Tuesday" should be "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out on Tuesday". And sentences should normally NOT start with And or Because.
One could argue using the comma for two thingys are just a natural evolution or devolution (de-evolution? devolution?) of American English.
"Coming up next, Jessica Simpson, Shakira caught up in a scandalous lesbian affair"
This is funny!!. I would have to agree with you that English has been bastardized. It all started with "I'll". Long along, people used to write "I will" then they shortened it to "I'll" and now, the entire language has gone down the drain. I'd (i would) like to find the bastard who started the process using I'll instead of I will.
I would say, "Apple to release profit reports Tuesday."
This is really quite alright in American English, my ranting aside. In the UK and Australia it will be "Apple to release profit reports on Tuesday" for stuff like web headlines, while "Apple Computer will release its profit reports on Tuesday..." would be more appropriate for TV news.
From Google News, check out the different stylz y'all edit: my comments in bluuue
Korean Air bans in-flight use of Dell, Apple laptop computers over battery problem
International Herald Tribune, France - 23 hours ago
SEOUL, South Korea Korean Air, South Korea's largest airline, has banned the in-flight use of all of Dell and some Apple laptop computer models while operating ...
For an International English publication I don't like the comma, but the headline is clear
Airline bans 'fire fear' laptops
BBC News
I love the BBC and the Queen's English. Imaginative headline, but no details on laptop brands. Also not sure about 'fire fear' - it should be "fire fear" maybe not 'fire fear'
Korean Air bans Mac laptop use
Macworld UK
Short and to the point. Bravo. But no news on Dells, I guess because it's Macworld
Korean Air bans Apple, Dell notebooks on board
Apple Insider
Heh. I can see how it can be confusing.
Korean Air joins QANTAS in banning Dell, Apple notebooks
DailyTech, IL - 23 hours ago
DailyTech earlier reported on the ban of Dell and Apple laptops by Australian airline QANTAS - Korean Air has joined in. Citing ...
This is where comma usage clearly groups Apple and Dell notebooks together. QANTAS should just be Qantas. Just as you don't say UNITED AIRLINES or SOUTHWEST, just United Airlines, Air France, Southwest.
Korean Air bans in-flight use of Dell
Sydney Morning Herald, Australia - 22 hours ago
... for the same reason. The Korean Air ban covers all Dell laptops, and Apple's iBook and PowerBook computers. This story is sourced ...
Clear about in-flight use, but "use of Dell" sounds dumb, couldn't they have just added one more word? "Korean Air bans in-flight use of Dell laptops" would be perrrfect.
Korean Air bans Dell and Apple laptop batteries
CNET News.com, CA - 8 hours ago
... Both the Korean Air and Qantas bans are in response to recalls of Sony batteries in some Dell and Apple Computer laptops that have been reported to explode ...
Close, but no cigar. WTF does it mean to ban the BATTERIES? Does that mean if I take out the batteries and connect it to a mini fusion reactor I can use the Dell and Apple laptops onboard?
Korean Air bans carry-on laptop batteries
Mobilemag.com - 4 hours ago
Effective immediately, if you have a Dell, an iBook, or a Powerbook, you can't take that fully functional laptop on any Korean Air flight. ...
Same problem - WTF does banning the BATTERIES mean?
Korean Air Prohibits Apple Laptop Use In-flight
The Mac Observer
Good. No complaints
Korean Air Bans Dell and Apple Laptops
Gizmodo.com, Hungary - 13 hours ago
Joining Qantas, Korean Air is banning both Apple and Dell laptops on all its flights. The ban affects all Dells, but only iBooks ...
Nice. No details though on whether it's in-flight or cargo or both.
Lost laptops pile up at Heathrow
PC Pro, UK - 15 hours ago
... Travellers on Korean Air should think twice about taking their laptop at all. The airline has banned the use Apple and Dell portables from its flights ...
How do we "claim" all those lost laptops? "Umm... yeah, I got an Alienware with GeForce 7900GTX Go on it..."
Korean Air bans iBooks, PowerBooks
Spymac, NY - 5 Sep 2006
... The airline has prohibited Apple's iBook and PowerBook series along with all Dell notebooks in-flight. Korean Air said Monday the ban was implemented August 30 ...
Okay. Comma works here.
Korean Air bans in-flight use of Apple and Dell laptops
SunilRaman World News
I like this the best. To the point, clear, and grammatically correct
Gone to fuel to keep the plane in the air... Actually, maybe they should power the engines with Liquor.
i wish they would at least sell us drinks at cost, so then it isn't like they are giving them away, but the passengers can still get a good deal. $2 a drink or something, then i'd buy them the whole way home
I don't think anyone was arguing that the headline was grammatically incorrect. It was just misleading. I don't know where you got the idea that a comma implies "and". That's just plain wrong. No need for Word, just fire up Dictionary.app.
What DeaPeaJay brought up was the fact that the headline implied something that was not the case.
Actually this is exactly what I was protesting against. The headline is, in fact, most certainly grammatically incorrect as you yourself point out several posts down. wnurse (who was defending me-thanks man! ) is, in fact wrong on this one-if this were a sentence in an essay, then it would be incorrect simply 'cause there are only two things in the list. However, this is a headline, and it's common to bend the rules a little to make headlines short and quick.
All that is neither here nor there, however.
The point (at least the one I was making ) is, DeaPeaJay said
Quote:
When I first read that I thought that Apple was banned, but Dell's were allowed on
This is wrong. To the best of my knowledge commas do not imply "however" or "but." He is confusing the use of a semicolon with a comma.
Actually this is exactly what I was protesting against. The headline is, in fact, most certainly grammatically incorrect as you yourself point out several posts down.
Huh? Where did I do that? You're quoting my last post (not including this one) so several posts down where? You must be thinking of someone else.
Quote:
Originally Posted by meelash
wnurse (who was defending me-thanks man! ) is, in fact wrong on this one-if this were a sentence in an essay, then it would be incorrect simply 'cause there are only two things in the list. However, this is a headline, and it's common to bend the rules a little to make headlines short and quick.
All that is neither here nor there, however.
The point (at least the one I was making ) is, DeaPeaJay said
This is wrong. To the best of my knowledge commas do not imply "however" or "but." He is confusing the use of a semicolon with a comma.
I see DeaPeaJay's quote using the word "but", but I don't believe he meant that a comma implied the word "however" or "but", which would have been as wrong as wnurse thinking it means "and". What a comma does imply (again Dictionary.app) is PAUSE. So if you say, "Korean Air bans Apple [pause] Dell notebooks on board". To me, this means something different than what was intended. One banned but one onboard.
Huh? Where did I do that? You're quoting my last post (not including this one) so several posts down where? You must be thinking of someone else.
Sorry, it was DeaPeaJay that pointed it out, not you. My mistake.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dac0nvu
I see DeaPeaJay's quote using the word "but", but I don't believe he meant that a comma implied the word "however" or "but", which would have been as wrong as wnurse thinking it means "and". What a comma does imply (again Dictionary.app) is PAUSE. So if you say, "Korean Air bans Apple [pause] Dell notebooks on board". To me, this means something different than what was intended. One banned but one onboard.
A pause is how a comma is pronounced phonetically not the meaning that it implies. It also has some linguistic meaning. And when used to describe a list it does imply "and".
Basically, you are saying that comma means "pause" and "pause" means "but". (One banned but one onboard). Same problem as DeaPeaJay. As I am attempting to point out, this is wrong. You are confusing the linguistic meaning of a comma with a semicolon because they are both pronounced as pauses (you can look at semicolon in Dictionary.app if you like ).
Sorry, it was DeaPeaJay that pointed it out, not you. My mistake.
A pause is how a comma is pronounced phonetically not the meaning that it implies. It also has some linguistic meaning. And when used to describe a list it does imply "and".
Basically, you are saying that comma means "pause" and "pause" means "but". (One banned but one onboard). Same problem as DeaPeaJay. As I am attempting to point out, this is wrong. You are confusing the linguistic meaning of a comma with a semicolon because they are both pronounced as pauses (you can look at semicolon in Dictionary.app if you like ).
Sometimes news sources use a comma to separate statements. That's what I thought they were doing.
like,
"Apple rolls out Merom-based iMacs, new 24-inch model"
"Briefly: X1900 Mac Pro ships, new nano ramping"
"Sources: Microsoft ramps Zune, sales goal set in millions"
So, there enlies my problem. That's what I thought they were doing.
Wow, this is one of the most derailed threads ever. Its not like the train cars are lying by the side of the track, they are like a hundred miles away crashed in the sea or something. 8)
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Really? Copy and paste the headline into any grammer checking program. Microsoft word is one suggestion but please, feel free to use any grammer checking program and get back to me. You can say "I went fishing, flying this weekend".
That would be a grammatically correct sentence. See, you showing your illiteracy again.
Please shut up and move on and stop embarassing yourself. Unless you are an english professor or language specialist, please don't correct unless you are absolutely sure you are correct. No one likes getting corrected by someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Just because the sentence sounds funny to you does not mean it is grammatically incorrect.
Just because Word doesn't catch it doesn't mean it's correct. Word screws up all the time.
This is from Purdue's English section of their website:
5. Use commas to separate three or more words, phrases, or clauses written in a series.
The Constitution establishes the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government.
The candidate promised to lower taxes, protect the environment, reduce crime, and end unemployment.
The prosecutor argued that the defendant, who was at the scene of the crime, who had a strong revenge motive, and who had access to the murder weapon, was guilty of homicide.
6. Use commas to separate two or more coordinate adjectives that describe the same noun. Be sure never to add an extra comma between the final adjective and the noun itself or to use commas with non-coordinate adjectives.
Coordinate adjectives are adjectives with equal ("co"-ordinate) status in describing the noun; neither adjective is subordinate to the other. You can decide if two adjectives in a row are coordinate by asking the following questions:
Does the sentence make sense if the adjectives are written in reverse order?
Does the sentence make sense if the adjectives are written with and between them?
If you answer yes to these questions, then the adjectives are coordinate and should be separated by a comma. Here are some examples of coordinate and non-coordinate adjectives:
He was a difficult, stubborn child. (coordinate)
They lived in a white frame house. (non-coordinate)
She often wore a gray wool shawl. (non-coordinate)
Your cousin has an easy, happy smile. (coordinate)
The 1) relentless, 2) powerful 3) summer sun beat down on them. (1-2 are coordinate; 2-3 are non-coordinate.)
The 1) relentless, 2) powerful, 3) oppressive sun beat down on them. (Both 1-2 and 2-3 are coordinate.)
Ok, so the first rule is "Use commas to separate three or more words, phrases, or clauses written in a series."
There are only two words here, Apple and Dell, so they don't get to be separated by a comma.
The second rule is "Use commas to separate two or more coordinate adjectives that describe the same noun."
This rule doesn't apply either because Apple and Dell are not adjectives, they're nouns. Nouns can however be used as adjectives, but I've never seen them used in a list like that before. An example of an adjectival use of a noun would be "Georgia Peach" or "Mountain Bike". I couldn't find any source that said that "Georgia, Florida Peach" would be grammatically incorrect, but *I* tend to think it is simply cause it sounds wrong. Just like "Apple, Dell Notebook" sounds wrong.
I've wasted enough time on this pointless argument. Technically speaking, I suppose you could be correct. But whether or not you really are correct, I think, is debatable. We need an English professor.
EDIT: The source on that is http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handou...r/g_comma.html
We need an English professor.
F*CK the English professor. What use are they? For example, how can American English sanction "I wrote him the other day"? For frack's sake it should be "I wrote to him the other day". And stuff I said before like "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out Tuesday" should be "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out on Tuesday". And sentences should normally NOT start with And or Because.
One could argue using the comma for two thingys are just a natural evolution or devolution (de-evolution? devolution?) of American English.
"Coming up next, Jessica Simpson, Shakira caught up in a scandalous lesbian affair"
This is more an American-English style, where sentences are shrunk, eg. "Apple will be releasing its profit reports Tuesday", which would never fly in [the] UK or Australia, where it would have to be written as "Apple will be releasing its profit reports on Tuesday"
I would say, "Apple to release profit reports Tuesday."
F*CK the English professor. What use are they? For example, how can American English sanction "I wrote him the other day"? For frack's sake it should be "I wrote to him the other day". And stuff I said before like "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out Tuesday" should be "New reports on Foxconn, Inc. will be coming out on Tuesday". And sentences should normally NOT start with And or Because.
One could argue using the comma for two thingys are just a natural evolution or devolution (de-evolution? devolution?) of American English.
"Coming up next, Jessica Simpson, Shakira caught up in a scandalous lesbian affair"
This is funny!!. I would have to agree with you that English has been bastardized. It all started with "I'll". Long along, people used to write "I will" then they shortened it to "I'll" and now, the entire language has gone down the drain. I'd (i would) like to find the bastard who started the process using I'll instead of I will.
I would say, "Apple to release profit reports Tuesday."
This is really quite alright in American English, my ranting aside. In the UK and Australia it will be "Apple to release profit reports on Tuesday" for stuff like web headlines, while "Apple Computer will release its profit reports on Tuesday..." would be more appropriate for TV news.
......now, the entire language has gone down the drain. I'd (i would) like to find the bastard who started the process using I'll instead of I will.
Korean Air bans in-flight use of Dell, Apple laptop computers over battery problem
International Herald Tribune, France - 23 hours ago
SEOUL, South Korea Korean Air, South Korea's largest airline, has banned the in-flight use of all of Dell and some Apple laptop computer models while operating ...
For an International English publication I don't like the comma, but the headline is clear
Airline bans 'fire fear' laptops
BBC News
I love the BBC and the Queen's English. Imaginative headline, but no details on laptop brands. Also not sure about 'fire fear' - it should be "fire fear" maybe not 'fire fear'
Korean Air bans Mac laptop use
Macworld UK
Short and to the point. Bravo. But no news on Dells, I guess because it's Macworld
Korean Air bans Apple, Dell notebooks on board
Apple Insider
Heh. I can see how it can be confusing.
Korean Air joins QANTAS in banning Dell, Apple notebooks
DailyTech, IL - 23 hours ago
DailyTech earlier reported on the ban of Dell and Apple laptops by Australian airline QANTAS - Korean Air has joined in. Citing ...
This is where comma usage clearly groups Apple and Dell notebooks together. QANTAS should just be Qantas. Just as you don't say UNITED AIRLINES or SOUTHWEST, just United Airlines, Air France, Southwest.
Korean Air bans in-flight use of Dell
Sydney Morning Herald, Australia - 22 hours ago
... for the same reason. The Korean Air ban covers all Dell laptops, and Apple's iBook and PowerBook computers. This story is sourced ...
Clear about in-flight use, but "use of Dell" sounds dumb, couldn't they have just added one more word? "Korean Air bans in-flight use of Dell laptops" would be perrrfect.
Korean Air bans Dell and Apple laptop batteries
CNET News.com, CA - 8 hours ago
... Both the Korean Air and Qantas bans are in response to recalls of Sony batteries in some Dell and Apple Computer laptops that have been reported to explode ...
Close, but no cigar. WTF does it mean to ban the BATTERIES? Does that mean if I take out the batteries and connect it to a mini fusion reactor I can use the Dell and Apple laptops onboard?
Korean Air bans carry-on laptop batteries
Mobilemag.com - 4 hours ago
Effective immediately, if you have a Dell, an iBook, or a Powerbook, you can't take that fully functional laptop on any Korean Air flight. ...
Same problem - WTF does banning the BATTERIES mean?
Korean Air Prohibits Apple Laptop Use In-flight
The Mac Observer
Good. No complaints
Korean Air Bans Dell and Apple Laptops
Gizmodo.com, Hungary - 13 hours ago
Joining Qantas, Korean Air is banning both Apple and Dell laptops on all its flights. The ban affects all Dells, but only iBooks ...
Nice. No details though on whether it's in-flight or cargo or both.
Lost laptops pile up at Heathrow
PC Pro, UK - 15 hours ago
... Travellers on Korean Air should think twice about taking their laptop at all. The airline has banned the use Apple and Dell portables from its flights ...
How do we "claim" all those lost laptops? "Umm... yeah, I got an Alienware with GeForce 7900GTX Go on it..."
Korean Air bans iBooks, PowerBooks
Spymac, NY - 5 Sep 2006
... The airline has prohibited Apple's iBook and PowerBook series along with all Dell notebooks in-flight. Korean Air said Monday the ban was implemented August 30 ...
Okay. Comma works here.
Korean Air bans in-flight use of Apple and Dell laptops
SunilRaman World News
I like this the best. To the point, clear, and grammatically correct
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Gone to fuel to keep the plane in the air... Actually, maybe they should power the engines with Liquor.
...$2 a drink or something, then i'd buy them the whole way home...
Maybe that's why it's not $2 a drink
I don't think anyone was arguing that the headline was grammatically incorrect. It was just misleading. I don't know where you got the idea that a comma implies "and". That's just plain wrong. No need for Word, just fire up Dictionary.app.
What DeaPeaJay brought up was the fact that the headline implied something that was not the case.
Actually this is exactly what I was protesting against. The headline is, in fact, most certainly grammatically incorrect as you yourself point out several posts down. wnurse (who was defending me-thanks man!
All that is neither here nor there, however.
The point (at least the one I was making
When I first read that I thought that Apple was banned, but Dell's were allowed on
This is wrong. To the best of my knowledge commas do not imply "however" or "but." He is confusing the use of a semicolon with a comma.
Actually this is exactly what I was protesting against. The headline is, in fact, most certainly grammatically incorrect as you yourself point out several posts down.
Huh? Where did I do that? You're quoting my last post (not including this one) so several posts down where? You must be thinking of someone else.
wnurse (who was defending me-thanks man!
All that is neither here nor there, however.
The point (at least the one I was making
This is wrong. To the best of my knowledge commas do not imply "however" or "but." He is confusing the use of a semicolon with a comma.
I see DeaPeaJay's quote using the word "but", but I don't believe he meant that a comma implied the word "however" or "but", which would have been as wrong as wnurse thinking it means "and". What a comma does imply (again Dictionary.app) is PAUSE. So if you say, "Korean Air bans Apple [pause] Dell notebooks on board". To me, this means something different than what was intended. One banned but one onboard.
Huh? Where did I do that? You're quoting my last post (not including this one) so several posts down where? You must be thinking of someone else.
Sorry, it was DeaPeaJay that pointed it out, not you. My mistake.
I see DeaPeaJay's quote using the word "but", but I don't believe he meant that a comma implied the word "however" or "but", which would have been as wrong as wnurse thinking it means "and". What a comma does imply (again Dictionary.app) is PAUSE. So if you say, "Korean Air bans Apple [pause] Dell notebooks on board". To me, this means something different than what was intended. One banned but one onboard.
Basically, you are saying that comma means "pause"
Sorry, it was DeaPeaJay that pointed it out, not you. My mistake.
Basically, you are saying that comma means "pause"
Sometimes news sources use a comma to separate statements. That's what I thought they were doing.
like,
"Apple rolls out Merom-based iMacs, new 24-inch model"
"Briefly: X1900 Mac Pro ships, new nano ramping"
"Sources: Microsoft ramps Zune, sales goal set in millions"
So, there enlies my problem. That's what I thought they were doing.
Sometimes news sources use a comma to separate statements. That's what I thought they were doing.
like,
"Apple rolls out Merom-based iMacs, new 24-inch model"
"Briefly: X1900 Mac Pro ships, new nano ramping"
"Sources: Microsoft ramps Zune, sales goal set in millions"
So, there enlies my problem. That's what I thought they were doing.
Yeah, I actually did originally read that as "Korean Air bans Apple, but they allow Dell notebooks on board"