Remember that Apple doesn't have control over things like film and music licensing. I wish I could get some music on labels outside of the US, ones that I can see on other countries' iTunes stores but I'm not allowed to purchase. I'm sure they have some influence, and they obviously could have more international stores and marketing. But not the movies or music.
And yeah I agree about the Irish. They should never have broken from India.
Remember that Apple doesn't have control over things like film and music licensing. I wish I could get some music on labels outside of the US, ones that I can see on other countries' iTunes stores but I'm not allowed to purchase. I'm sure they have some influence, and they obviously could have more international stores and marketing. But not the movies or music.
And yeah I agree about the Irish. They should never have broken from India.
Look, with that hooligan you have in power, I think you should refrain from where you are going with your meaningless jargon. Bush is the worst display of power in action since Stalin.
Look, with that hooligan you have in power, I think you should refrain from where you are going with your meaningless jargon. Bush is the worst display of power in action since Stalin.
We all know Bush is a moron and a bad communicator, but there are hundreds of ridiculous dictators all over the world that are many times more abusive of the powers that be. If you're going to operate with the same level of naivete as Placebo, I suppose it's not worth explaining the plain-and-simple reasons why Apple doesn't have as large a presence in Europe as you'd like. Or, for that matter, that it's not some kind of American conspiracy.
I'll give you an analogy to think about: Apple doesn't have as big a presence in Europe for the same reasons why they don't offer an Airport product with a one-mile range.
Apple doesn't have as big a presence in Europe for the same reasons why they don't offer an Airport product with a one-mile range.
Are you trying to say you think it's against the law for Apple to have a bigger presence in Europe? If there are specific European laws that you think are trying to stop Apple increasing their share of that computer market, please enlighten us.
I mean everything that the analogy means. It's not against the law to have a range of one-mile, but it is against the law for there to be more than 1W output power. There are countless other give-and-take paradoxes in the ability to release a one-mile Airport that I won't go into.
Apple would undoubtedly like to be a big player in Europe, but there are legal hurdles as well as technical hurdles. One said technical hurdle is the so-called chicken and the egg problem. If there were a great deal of Apple users in Europe (or at least comparable to the american numbers) you could expect that there would be more Apple stores, etc. In order to garner the kind of numbers that Apple wants, however, it probably requires some further degree of marketing. But they have more trouble. There are tariffs, VATs, etc, that make Apple hardware much less accessible than it is in the states.
The bottom line is that Apple has a large, multi-national business unit to the extent that it wouldn't overlook the prospect of increased European market share. Pining on and on about how you think Apple should be in Europe is like pining about one-mile Airport or worse -- a headless iMac.
Look, with that hooligan you have in power, I think you should refrain from where you are going with your meaningless jargon. Bush is the worst display of power in action since Stalin.
Eh? Bush is responsible for the fact that licensing agreements with film and music producers have to be worked out for different countries?
Eh? Bush is responsible for the fact that licensing agreements with film and music producers have to be worked out for different countries?
Oh, excuse me! What was I thinking. Sorry about the abuse I gave him then, excuse me! My apologies. Seriously though.. fuck that disastrous monkey!! He's responsible for more than 120,000 deaths of innocent civilians. I could not hate anyone more. And the fact that he uses relegion as an excuse is more appalling.
I mean everything that the analogy means. It's not against the law to have a range of one-mile, but it is against the law for there to be more than 1W output power. There are countless other give-and-take paradoxes in the ability to release a one-mile Airport that I won't go into.
Apple would undoubtedly like to be a big player in Europe, but there are legal hurdles as well as technical hurdles. One said technical hurdle is the so-called chicken and the egg problem. If there were a great deal of Apple users in Europe (or at least comparable to the american numbers) you could expect that there would be more Apple stores, etc. In order to garner the kind of numbers that Apple wants, however, it probably requires some further degree of marketing. But they have more trouble. There are tariffs, VATs, etc, that make Apple hardware much less accessible than it is in the states.
The bottom line is that Apple has a large, multi-national business unit to the extent that it wouldn't overlook the prospect of increased European market share. Pining on and on about how you think Apple should be in Europe is like pining about one-mile Airport or worse -- a headless iMac.
This entire argument is devastatingly simple to dismiss.
All of Apple's competitors have to deal with these laws as well.
Just simply giving in and saying "oh, it's all too hard! All these barriers! Oh, I can't be bothered" is not a great way of running a business.
Oh, excuse me! What was I thinking. Sorry about the abuse I gave him then, excuse me! My apologies. Seriously though.. fuck that disastrous monkey!! He's responsible for more than 120,000 deaths of innocent civilians. I could not hate anyone more. And the fact that he uses relegion as an excuse is more appalling.
Well I didn't vote for him, and I'm sure that Jobs didn't either (he's not overtly political, but he's known to give money to Democrats) and I doubt that Apple the company (with former Bush opponent Gore on the Board) has some kind of love of Bush, and I don't really understand what this has to do with Apple not performing well outside of the US.
This entire argument is devastatingly simple to dismiss.
All of Apple's competitors have to deal with these laws as well.
Just simply giving in and saying "oh, it's all too hard! All these barriers! Oh, I can't be bothered" is not a great way of running a business.
You just don't get it. There's a level of humility that doesn't seem to register with you. Do you really think you know better than a multi-billion dollar international corporation about how they should run their business? At times, it's clear that one company or another is making the wrong decisions, but Apple's stock is up over 1000% in the past five years, and they've clearly been making the right decisions.
I don't live in Europe, and I can't immediately make observations about Apple's policies vs. the competition's, and in this vein you're correct in assessing that there's no good reason to throw in the towel so long as there's an even playing field and a discerable market. The only legitmate conclusion is that some combination of consumer conventions and EU socialism is providing Apple with a obstacle that they think is best surpassed by gradual proliferation into the market.
Besides, please enlighten me how well the other American players do in Europe. I'm curious to what extent of the blame can be placed on EU trade policy. Considering the cellular phone business, I have to imagine that it's quite significant.
The only innocent people are newborn babies. I'm not going to get into the rest of this, but if you want to take this offline, send me an email.
Or unborn ones. I guess it depends on you perspective.
"you wanna take this off-line" - sounds like fighting talk! LOL.
I don't believe it would have been that difficult to sort out the TV shows on iTunes for Europe. Which I think would have developed into a reasonable market expecially with large numbers of expats all over Europe. But then I don't know what the difficulties were or which companies caused problems or not.
Ireland could do with a Apple store in Dublin and also one in Belfast sure but I guess they come in line with the Parisian and Germany (where?) and Roman stores. And I guess they are competing for finance with each other...? Is there an Apple Europe type group that might be fighting for Apple-Europe type developments/deals? (Perhaps it's necessary).
It all requires some kind of critical mass, as Apple UK kind of acts like a company by itself in some ways, so once it gets 1,2,3 stores and more revenue, the thing snowballs along. Compared to starting up from scratch..
Do you really think you know better than a multi-billion dollar international corporation about how they should run their business? At times, it's clear that one company or another is making the wrong decisions, but Apple's stock is up over 1000% in the past five years, and they've clearly been making the right decisions.
Yes, it is obvious that the number of "bad" decisions made by Apple is vastly outweighed by the number of "good" ones. The fact that their stock is up and that they are doing really, really well in the U.S. has bugger-all to do with how much marketing (including market research) they do in other territories. As you say, Apple is a massive company, they clearly have the monetary resources there to build the necessary management teams.
I remember reading a post on AI two to three years ago lamenting the fact that Apple didn't seem to be making an effort to understand the Japanese market. What's happened since? Apple's market share and unit sales in Japan have plummeted. They are still having difficulty turning the tide.
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Besides, please enlighten me how well the other American players do in Europe. I'm curious to what extent of the blame can be placed on EU trade policy. Considering the cellular phone business, I have to imagine that it's quite significant.
This Gartner report indicates that the top five players in the Europe, Middle East and Africa market in 2005 were all non-European companies, and that the top two (Dell and HP) were U.S. companies. It also says that that market is now the biggest in the world, so Apple really should pull their finger out.
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I didn't know people would get this touchy over feigned American ignorance.
Well now you know.
And yeah I agree about the Irish. They should never have broken from India.
Remember that Apple doesn't have control over things like film and music licensing. I wish I could get some music on labels outside of the US, ones that I can see on other countries' iTunes stores but I'm not allowed to purchase. I'm sure they have some influence, and they obviously could have more international stores and marketing. But not the movies or music.
And yeah I agree about the Irish. They should never have broken from India.
Look, with that hooligan you have in power, I think you should refrain from where you are going with your meaningless jargon. Bush is the worst display of power in action since Stalin.
Look, with that hooligan you have in power, I think you should refrain from where you are going with your meaningless jargon. Bush is the worst display of power in action since Stalin.
We all know Bush is a moron and a bad communicator, but there are hundreds of ridiculous dictators all over the world that are many times more abusive of the powers that be. If you're going to operate with the same level of naivete as Placebo, I suppose it's not worth explaining the plain-and-simple reasons why Apple doesn't have as large a presence in Europe as you'd like. Or, for that matter, that it's not some kind of American conspiracy.
I'll give you an analogy to think about: Apple doesn't have as big a presence in Europe for the same reasons why they don't offer an Airport product with a one-mile range.
Apple doesn't have as big a presence in Europe for the same reasons why they don't offer an Airport product with a one-mile range.
Are you trying to say you think it's against the law for Apple to have a bigger presence in Europe? If there are specific European laws that you think are trying to stop Apple increasing their share of that computer market, please enlighten us.
Or did you mean something else?
Apple would undoubtedly like to be a big player in Europe, but there are legal hurdles as well as technical hurdles. One said technical hurdle is the so-called chicken and the egg problem. If there were a great deal of Apple users in Europe (or at least comparable to the american numbers) you could expect that there would be more Apple stores, etc. In order to garner the kind of numbers that Apple wants, however, it probably requires some further degree of marketing. But they have more trouble. There are tariffs, VATs, etc, that make Apple hardware much less accessible than it is in the states.
The bottom line is that Apple has a large, multi-national business unit to the extent that it wouldn't overlook the prospect of increased European market share. Pining on and on about how you think Apple should be in Europe is like pining about one-mile Airport or worse -- a headless iMac.
Look, with that hooligan you have in power, I think you should refrain from where you are going with your meaningless jargon. Bush is the worst display of power in action since Stalin.
Eh? Bush is responsible for the fact that licensing agreements with film and music producers have to be worked out for different countries?
Eh? Bush is responsible for the fact that licensing agreements with film and music producers have to be worked out for different countries?
Oh, excuse me! What was I thinking. Sorry about the abuse I gave him then, excuse me! My apologies. Seriously though.. fuck that disastrous monkey!! He's responsible for more than 120,000 deaths of innocent civilians. I could not hate anyone more. And the fact that he uses relegion as an excuse is more appalling.
120,000 deaths of innocent civilians.
The only innocent people are newborn babies. I'm not going to get into the rest of this, but if you want to take this offline, send me an email.
I mean everything that the analogy means. It's not against the law to have a range of one-mile, but it is against the law for there to be more than 1W output power. There are countless other give-and-take paradoxes in the ability to release a one-mile Airport that I won't go into.
Apple would undoubtedly like to be a big player in Europe, but there are legal hurdles as well as technical hurdles. One said technical hurdle is the so-called chicken and the egg problem. If there were a great deal of Apple users in Europe (or at least comparable to the american numbers) you could expect that there would be more Apple stores, etc. In order to garner the kind of numbers that Apple wants, however, it probably requires some further degree of marketing. But they have more trouble. There are tariffs, VATs, etc, that make Apple hardware much less accessible than it is in the states.
The bottom line is that Apple has a large, multi-national business unit to the extent that it wouldn't overlook the prospect of increased European market share. Pining on and on about how you think Apple should be in Europe is like pining about one-mile Airport or worse -- a headless iMac.
This entire argument is devastatingly simple to dismiss.
All of Apple's competitors have to deal with these laws as well.
Just simply giving in and saying "oh, it's all too hard! All these barriers! Oh, I can't be bothered" is not a great way of running a business.
Wow. So the Iraq war is ultimately responsible for Wal-Mart threatening suppliers not to break deals with Apple!
Don't bother.
Oh, excuse me! What was I thinking. Sorry about the abuse I gave him then, excuse me! My apologies. Seriously though.. fuck that disastrous monkey!! He's responsible for more than 120,000 deaths of innocent civilians. I could not hate anyone more. And the fact that he uses relegion as an excuse is more appalling.
Well I didn't vote for him, and I'm sure that Jobs didn't either (he's not overtly political, but he's known to give money to Democrats) and I doubt that Apple the company (with former Bush opponent Gore on the Board) has some kind of love of Bush, and I don't really understand what this has to do with Apple not performing well outside of the US.
This entire argument is devastatingly simple to dismiss.
All of Apple's competitors have to deal with these laws as well.
Just simply giving in and saying "oh, it's all too hard! All these barriers! Oh, I can't be bothered" is not a great way of running a business.
You just don't get it. There's a level of humility that doesn't seem to register with you. Do you really think you know better than a multi-billion dollar international corporation about how they should run their business? At times, it's clear that one company or another is making the wrong decisions, but Apple's stock is up over 1000% in the past five years, and they've clearly been making the right decisions.
I don't live in Europe, and I can't immediately make observations about Apple's policies vs. the competition's, and in this vein you're correct in assessing that there's no good reason to throw in the towel so long as there's an even playing field and a discerable market. The only legitmate conclusion is that some combination of consumer conventions and EU socialism is providing Apple with a obstacle that they think is best surpassed by gradual proliferation into the market.
Besides, please enlighten me how well the other American players do in Europe. I'm curious to what extent of the blame can be placed on EU trade policy. Considering the cellular phone business, I have to imagine that it's quite significant.
The only innocent people are newborn babies. I'm not going to get into the rest of this, but if you want to take this offline, send me an email.
Or unborn ones. I guess it depends on you perspective.
"you wanna take this off-line" - sounds like fighting talk! LOL.
I don't believe it would have been that difficult to sort out the TV shows on iTunes for Europe. Which I think would have developed into a reasonable market expecially with large numbers of expats all over Europe. But then I don't know what the difficulties were or which companies caused problems or not.
Ireland could do with a Apple store in Dublin and also one in Belfast sure but I guess they come in line with the Parisian and Germany (where?) and Roman stores. And I guess they are competing for finance with each other...? Is there an Apple Europe type group that might be fighting for Apple-Europe type developments/deals? (Perhaps it's necessary).
It all requires some kind of critical mass, as Apple UK kind of acts like a company by itself in some ways, so once it gets 1,2,3 stores and more revenue, the thing snowballs along. Compared to starting up from scratch..
Do you really think you know better than a multi-billion dollar international corporation about how they should run their business? At times, it's clear that one company or another is making the wrong decisions, but Apple's stock is up over 1000% in the past five years, and they've clearly been making the right decisions.
Yes, it is obvious that the number of "bad" decisions made by Apple is vastly outweighed by the number of "good" ones. The fact that their stock is up and that they are doing really, really well in the U.S. has bugger-all to do with how much marketing (including market research) they do in other territories. As you say, Apple is a massive company, they clearly have the monetary resources there to build the necessary management teams.
I remember reading a post on AI two to three years ago lamenting the fact that Apple didn't seem to be making an effort to understand the Japanese market. What's happened since? Apple's market share and unit sales in Japan have plummeted. They are still having difficulty turning the tide.
Besides, please enlighten me how well the other American players do in Europe. I'm curious to what extent of the blame can be placed on EU trade policy. Considering the cellular phone business, I have to imagine that it's quite significant.
This Gartner report indicates that the top five players in the Europe, Middle East and Africa market in 2005 were all non-European companies, and that the top two (Dell and HP) were U.S. companies. It also says that that market is now the biggest in the world, so Apple really should pull their finger out.
Apple is like the #1 fastest growing retailer or something. Give the company a break!
Why waste a comment by not making a point?
I might be wrong, but are Apple not expanding slowly in Europe? Wasn't there a rumour of an Apple Store in Rome?
No you are not wrong, you're right. SLOWLY...