BluRay, HD-DVD drives, don't know where there's at, it sure as hell won't be in any Apple products until at least middle of 2007. HDCP might be in play somewhere in the Apple first-half-of-2007 strategy, although whereth cometh from the high definitioneth source?
BluRay, HD-DVD drives, don't know where there's at, it sure as hell won't be in any Apple products until at least middle of 2007. HDCP might be in play somewhere in the Apple first-half-of-2007 strategy, although whereth cometh from the high definitioneth source?
I think Apple is going to wait until some of the dust settles in the hi def dispute. People would get out of sorts if Apple backs the wrong one in its machines. Though, if Apple did back one or the other, and committed themselves to put them into all of their desktops, that could help to make that one. But, putting it into the Mac Pro's wouldn't be enough.
HDCP is a requirement to run either of those formats, even though both sides have said that they wouldn't penalize users for not having it for a while yet. They haven't said what would make them enforce it though, nor how long they would wait.
Not sure what you mean (except for no QoS, as you mentioned) since my 802.11g WLAN handles video streaming to EyeHome quite well with any supported (non-HD) content.
My 802.11g WLAN has issues supporting vonage with any other competing traffic (web surfing) locally and once in a while issues with neighbor WLANs (or at least i think so as I can get drops when none of my machines are online). I've debated setting up a second WLAN just for Vonage at the other end of the spectrum to see if I can avoid the drops.
FIOS isn't the weak link in this scenario. On the wired LAN I can surf and Vonage to my hearts content. In the wireless I can see from speed tests that I'll get the full 5MB throughput for a several seconds and then see a second or two worth of drops. That doesn't happen on the wire either.
So when G works it works for current video. HD, as sunilraman mentions, ain't happening.
HDCP is a requirement to run either of those formats, even though both sides have said that they wouldn't penalize users for not having it for a while yet. They haven't said what would make them enforce it though, nor how long they would wait.
AFAIK, and is this what you're referring to, ?, lack of HDCP means that somehow on the output side you'll only be getting DVD-quality on the high-def display, even if your source is BluRay or HD-DVD or some crap-DRM-bullsh!t-HighDef video file. \ That's the "penalty" of not having HDCP. Or something like that. It's bloody confusing at the moment.
Sony is yet again going to frack up. Let's see, walkman-->mp3 players? Nope, no go. Atrac3 format? Bollocks. Batteries? Exploding. BluRay? Hmmm.... it could lose out to HD-DVD the way things are looking now, though of course things could change. Tough year for Sony. And the PS3 is massively hyped, I hope whenever the heck it turns up it will live up to its promise.
Side note though, my T630 Sony-Ericsson and V600i are the best mobile phones I've ever had. Nokia and Moto not my thing, having experienced them in the past...
That said, my 17" Sony LCD is great, they've got digicams and other stuff in the mix, so they're doing some things right. Just that this separate BluRay HD deal, it's a big mistake by the companies and really quite sad that they didn't hammer out a deal like DVD and VCD. One of the HD formats is going to go the way of Laserdisc and Betamax. I wouldn't be building any sort of HD library at this stage, unless it's recorded off a pure-digital HD stream from HDTV broadcasts using HDTV-supported Elgato/similar EyeTV gear. Even then being MPEG2 the files are going to be huge, and it will take some overnights to re-encode and get good quality 720p H.264 final video files to store.
4th post in a row, I'll stop soon... ... It will be interesting that the convergence thing really is starting to happen... In 5 years HDTV 1080p processing, re-encoding, storage will be really simple, and bandwidth increases for consumers will mean downloadable 1080p movies (iTunes Store in the forefront in this case). BluRay or HDDVD will be like "the other half" of how one would get quality HDTV sources.
In five years worldwide I predict those with TVs/Computers, at least 30% will be 720p or above HDTV-actively-in-use.
4th post in a row, I'll stop soon... ... It will be interesting that the convergence thing really is starting to happen... In 5 years HDTV 1080p processing, re-encoding, storage will be really simple, and bandwidth increases for consumers will mean downloadable 1080p movies (iTunes Store in the forefront in this case). BluRay or HDDVD will be like "the other half" of how one would get quality HDTV sources.
In five years worldwide I predict those with TVs/Computers, at least 30% will be 720p or above HDTV-actively-in-use.
Five years from now, everything will be different.
love it!! wow, now you've got me thinking. 5 years ago... what was happening..... was that when the 'new all in one' imac came out? sj came back to apple a while before that didnt he? what was i doing.... yr8 at school, hahaha blimey, that was aaaaaaaaages ago... how time flies...
I didn't know you need white hair and a pot belly for that.
Better than a dude that continuously smokes (imagine the breath, stained teeth), wears a weird hat and had a fetish for tweed. I'm sure he was into a whole lot of *other things* than your regular straight women.
Better than a dude that continuously smokes (imagine the breath, stained teeth), wears a weird hat and had a fetish for tweed. I'm sure he was into a whole lot of *other things* than your regular straight women.
His addiction: "Watson! The needle!" didn't help either.
So when G works it works for current video. HD, as sunilraman mentions, ain't happening.
I thought 'g' has enough bandwidth for at least 720p under the right conditions.
Seems other content might choke 'g' bandwidth for iTV, like trying to quickly browse a batch of unbuffered large images (if the interface allows it).
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Does the Eyehome buffer?
Maybe some; I don't know for sure. It uses an older Sigma Designs processor (EM8500?), lacking H.264 and other things that whatever iTV uses will support.
Based on successful experience with EyeHome on my 802.11g WLAN, various 802.11n-related issues, and current lack of HD content on the ITunes Store I'm less convinced the first version of iTV needs 'n' as much as some people think it does. Once 'n' is stable and more Mac hardware supports it then Apple could upgrade iTV to support it and offer HD iTS content.
Of course it's anyone's guess whether Apple would release a 'g'-supporting iTV sooner than 'n' is ready, fulfilling Job's Q1 '07 promise while leaving certain potential customers unsatisfied. Would people cough up $300 for a 'g' model if they knew 'n' is right around the corner? Maybe, if Apple assured them of an affordable upgrade path.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
I thought 'g' has enough bandwidth for at least 720p under the right conditions.
Seems other content might choke 'g' bandwidth for iTV, like trying to quickly browse a batch of unbuffered large images (if the interface allows it).
It isn't the bandwidth itself. It's also interference. That's why wireless has perhaps one half the effective bandwidth. 54Mb/s is closer to 30 in actual practice. In other words, it can't be counted on.
That's why much more is needed for practical use. It wouldn't do to have drop-out because the info is being lost, and constantly resent. n also has better integrity than g and earlier.
I've been to demo's where wireless Tv is set up. Sometimes, when you walk around the room, the signal drops out.
It's like the problem with radio. If you walk around it, you intefere with the incoming signal. Digital wireless has that problem as well.
What *is* interesting is that Apple is shipping a lot of their new Macs with actual pre-N wifi cards. They must be getting them as cheap or for very very little extra over G gear.
Cupertino software and hardware development are definitely taking production machines, applying a software/firmware mod to it and doing all sorts of testing with that pre-N stuff in shipping machines and how it flows with iTV.
I think Macworld 2007 Apple is going to announce "from February all new Macs will support the latest high-speed wifi networks, fully compatible with iTV" -- this is the un-RDF'ed version of Stevetalk... I'm sure the RDF-ed version will make one wistfully think of the entire Internet flowing through your house every second, 24/7, with just a few clicks away from all the movies, tv, internet, anything plucked out of the air at ease..
Anyways Apple jumping to pre-N means that they *may* offer free or highly discounted upgrades to final-N gear (you take your MacBookPro in to the service centre) so that all Apple gear can operate at hotspots that run final-N high speed wifi networks and corporate environments that settle on final-N networks at various part of the corporate building(s).
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BluRay, HD-DVD drives, don't know where there's at, it sure as hell won't be in any Apple products until at least middle of 2007. HDCP might be in play somewhere in the Apple first-half-of-2007 strategy, although whereth cometh from the high definitioneth source?
I think Apple is going to wait until some of the dust settles in the hi def dispute. People would get out of sorts if Apple backs the wrong one in its machines. Though, if Apple did back one or the other, and committed themselves to put them into all of their desktops, that could help to make that one. But, putting it into the Mac Pro's wouldn't be enough.
HDCP is a requirement to run either of those formats, even though both sides have said that they wouldn't penalize users for not having it for a while yet. They haven't said what would make them enforce it though, nor how long they would wait.
Not sure what you mean (except for no QoS, as you mentioned) since my 802.11g WLAN handles video streaming to EyeHome quite well with any supported (non-HD) content.
My 802.11g WLAN has issues supporting vonage with any other competing traffic (web surfing) locally and once in a while issues with neighbor WLANs (or at least i think so as I can get drops when none of my machines are online). I've debated setting up a second WLAN just for Vonage at the other end of the spectrum to see if I can avoid the drops.
FIOS isn't the weak link in this scenario. On the wired LAN I can surf and Vonage to my hearts content. In the wireless I can see from speed tests that I'll get the full 5MB throughput for a several seconds and then see a second or two worth of drops. That doesn't happen on the wire either.
So when G works it works for current video. HD, as sunilraman mentions, ain't happening.
Does the Eyehome buffer?
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HDCP is a requirement to run either of those formats, even though both sides have said that they wouldn't penalize users for not having it for a while yet. They haven't said what would make them enforce it though, nor how long they would wait.
AFAIK, and is this what you're referring to, ?, lack of HDCP means that somehow on the output side you'll only be getting DVD-quality on the high-def display, even if your source is BluRay or HD-DVD or some crap-DRM-bullsh!t-HighDef video file.
Side note though, my T630 Sony-Ericsson and V600i are the best mobile phones I've ever had. Nokia and Moto not my thing, having experienced them in the past...
In five years worldwide I predict those with TVs/Computers, at least 30% will be 720p or above HDTV-actively-in-use.
4th post in a row, I'll stop soon...
In five years worldwide I predict those with TVs/Computers, at least 30% will be 720p or above HDTV-actively-in-use.
Five years from now, everything will be different.
Five years from now, everything will be different.
No shit, Sherlock..!!
No shit, Sherlock..!!
No shit, Sherlock..!!
Thank you Watson!
Thank you Watson!
Watson was the one that got all the girls
Watson was the one that got all the girls
I didn't know you need white hair and a pot belly for that.
I didn't know you need white hair and a pot belly for that.
Better than a dude that continuously smokes (imagine the breath, stained teeth), wears a weird hat and had a fetish for tweed. I'm sure he was into a whole lot of *other things* than your regular straight women.
Better than a dude that continuously smokes (imagine the breath, stained teeth), wears a weird hat and had a fetish for tweed. I'm sure he was into a whole lot of *other things* than your regular straight women.
His addiction: "Watson! The needle!" didn't help either.
So when G works it works for current video. HD, as sunilraman mentions, ain't happening.
I thought 'g' has enough bandwidth for at least 720p under the right conditions.
Seems other content might choke 'g' bandwidth for iTV, like trying to quickly browse a batch of unbuffered large images (if the interface allows it).
Does the Eyehome buffer?
Maybe some; I don't know for sure. It uses an older Sigma Designs processor (EM8500?), lacking H.264 and other things that whatever iTV uses will support.
Based on successful experience with EyeHome on my 802.11g WLAN, various 802.11n-related issues, and current lack of HD content on the ITunes Store I'm less convinced the first version of iTV needs 'n' as much as some people think it does. Once 'n' is stable and more Mac hardware supports it then Apple could upgrade iTV to support it and offer HD iTS content.
Of course it's anyone's guess whether Apple would release a 'g'-supporting iTV sooner than 'n' is ready, fulfilling Job's Q1 '07 promise while leaving certain potential customers unsatisfied. Would people cough up $300 for a 'g' model if they knew 'n' is right around the corner? Maybe, if Apple assured them of an affordable upgrade path.
Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
I thought 'g' has enough bandwidth for at least 720p under the right conditions.
Seems other content might choke 'g' bandwidth for iTV, like trying to quickly browse a batch of unbuffered large images (if the interface allows it).
It isn't the bandwidth itself. It's also interference. That's why wireless has perhaps one half the effective bandwidth. 54Mb/s is closer to 30 in actual practice. In other words, it can't be counted on.
That's why much more is needed for practical use. It wouldn't do to have drop-out because the info is being lost, and constantly resent. n also has better integrity than g and earlier.
I've been to demo's where wireless Tv is set up. Sometimes, when you walk around the room, the signal drops out.
It's like the problem with radio. If you walk around it, you intefere with the incoming signal. Digital wireless has that problem as well.
Cupertino software and hardware development are definitely taking production machines, applying a software/firmware mod to it and doing all sorts of testing with that pre-N stuff in shipping machines and how it flows with iTV.
I think Macworld 2007 Apple is going to announce "from February all new Macs will support the latest high-speed wifi networks, fully compatible with iTV" -- this is the un-RDF'ed version of Stevetalk... I'm sure the RDF-ed version will make one wistfully think of the entire Internet flowing through your house every second, 24/7, with just a few clicks away from all the movies, tv, internet, anything plucked out of the air at ease..
Anyways Apple jumping to pre-N means that they *may* offer free or highly discounted upgrades to final-N gear (you take your MacBookPro in to the service centre) so that all Apple gear can operate at hotspots that run final-N high speed wifi networks and corporate environments that settle on final-N networks at various part of the corporate building(s).