Netscape 7 - faster/better than Mozilla 1.1

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in Mac Software edited January 2014
I know it doesn't make sense but I do have this experience



Netscape 7 (final) is generally faster than Mozilla 1.1 in some pages and plus it's Java and page rendering are more stable.



Is there something wrong? :confused:



Mozilla is supposed to be more 'advanced' than Netscape.
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  • Reply 1 of 36
    giaguaragiaguara Posts: 2,724member
    It should be.. but i suppose they started developing it from not-the-latest versions of netscape thought...



    Just downloaded Mozilla... I think i don't try netscape so far. IE, opera, omniweb, icab and mozilla are already too much :eek:
  • Reply 2 of 36
    Actually, bianca, Netscape should be *slower* than Mozilla. Netscape basically takes Mozilla's code and adds some extra junk to it. Then they replace the Mozilla names and logos with Netscape names and logos. In the past, Netscape has always been a little slower than the latest version of Mozilla.



    Mozilla comes first, Netscape later. Netscape is built on Mozilla's code, not the other way around (which is what I believe you are thinking).



    I'm downloading the latest Mozilla and Netscape versions right now and will report back later with my observations.



    [ 08-29-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
  • Reply 3 of 36
    giaguaragiaguara Posts: 2,724member
    Ok



    I'll go insteand exploring GIMP now to see whether it works ok in os x .. or should i leave it only for linux...



    if netscape results faster then maybe i'll try..
  • Reply 4 of 36
    In my humble opinion, bianca, iCab and Opera aren't worth keeping in Mac OS X. I just keep OmniWeb, Chimera, Mozilla, and Internet Explorer here; though, I only use IE on sites that refuse to work in the other browsers.



    And, yes, I've used GIMP on Mac OS X before. I didn't like it, myself, but it *does* work.



    But back to the subject at hand...



    I'm not sure what to make of this Netscape v Mozilla issue. They seem about the same speed as far as the interface is concerned, but I think Leonis may be right about Netscape being a little quicker with web page interaction.



    They both still have some VERY annoying UI issues that I believe will still keep me at arms length from them both. I just *wish* Chimera would get on the ball and start using Mozilla 1.1 code instead of that old 1.0 crud. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />



    [ 08-29-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
  • Reply 5 of 36
    addisonaddison Posts: 1,185member
    I think Chimera = future. I guess they are just a small team.
  • Reply 6 of 36
    ebbyebby Posts: 3,110member
    OK, dumb question. Does anyone have a website for Chimera? I went to <a href="http://www.chimera.com"; target="_blank">www.chimera.com</a> and there are just 4 damn popup ads.
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  • Reply 8 of 36
    ebbyebby Posts: 3,110member
    Hey, thanks a bunch! :cool:
  • Reply 9 of 36
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    I tested Netscape 7 and Mozilla 1.1 informally by watching the "Done" times in the bottom bar. I saw very little difference, and they kept switching back and forth. Both are the same speed as far as I am concerned.
  • Reply 10 of 36
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    Damn...they implimented tabbed browsing but not tabbed messaging.



    Ah well, back to OmniWeb. Netsuck takes too long to start up, and the interface is clunky and cluttered anyway.
  • Reply 11 of 36
    Enough with the browser wars!!!!



    IE has has all but killed Netscape/Mozilla. 96% of browsers are now IE. I hate Microsoft, but you have to swallow your pride and accept in a years time they are going to have 99% of the market. I wonder if that's when they will halt development for the mac????



    Anyway, it's probably just me, but every site I visit REQUIRES IE. Even worse quite a few demand a Windows IE!!!! Arrrrghhhh!



    Don't get me wrong, I love Chimera ooops I mean NAVIGATOR, but it just isn't progressing fast enough to stop IE in it's tracks on the Mac.



    Come on Apple, stick your logo on Navigator, dump IE and we will all feel a lot better.
  • Reply 12 of 36
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [email protected] I don't quite understand your argument. The same argument could be applied to Macs in general. who are we kidding anyway? We should all drop our Macs and switch to PCs.



    And Chimera has advanced quite nicely in its brief existence don't you think? It brings the best of Mozilla (gecko) with the best of Mac OS X (the interface.) It has tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking, the ability to use Apple's Internet preferences, faster page loading, and it's only a few months old in the public eye. IE 4 and earlier were laughable compared to Netscape 4 and earlier. Right now Chimera is my primary browser, by choice, not by necessity. I rarely have to surfe IE specific pages anyway.
  • Reply 13 of 36
    I'm not saying we should all switch to PC's!!!!



    I think Apple had better do something fast and takeover the Chimera project. So that we all don't get completely locked out of the internet. How long do you think it will be before Webmasters just program for IE? and even worse just IE for Windows. :eek:
  • Reply 14 of 36
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Yep, but I'm sure someone will come along to say that market share doesn't matter. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 15 of 36
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by [email protected]:

    <strong>I'm not saying we should all switch to PC's!!!!



    I think Apple had better do something fast and takeover the Chimera project. So that we all don't get completely locked out of the internet. How long do you think it will be before Webmasters just program for IE? and even worse just IE for Windows. :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I'm not so sure I want Apple tainting a perfectly good independently developed browser like Chimera. The Gecko engine and Mozilla source is there for the taking. Apple doesn't really need all that dev from Chimera directly...just like Apple didn't need to put the Sherlock name on Watson...
  • Reply 16 of 36
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    The browser wars are over, or maybe just changing. You don't buy a browser so much anymore, at least not on the PC side. You tend to use the browser that you get with your ISP: MSN, AOL, etc. That's how you get your "free" browsers now -- it's going to be part of the cost of your ISP.



    When (not if) AOL moves to a Netscape browser, the marketshare of IE will change dramatically. This also points to another big change in "browser culture" -- customization. No longer will the battle be about web standards as much as about the user experience and special features and access to special technology. Standards won't go away, but they will be the lowest common denominator fro the user's point of view. Mozilla doesn't really fit in this model -- of course it's no coincidence that it's been picked up by the Linux crowd.



    Mr. Hyatt of Chimera fame points out the this platform-agnostic nature of Mozilla, especially from the point of view of the user experience, is actually a weakness. That's not to mention the redundancy and overhead of translating these standards to their specific platforms -- the under-the-hood stuff. Hyatt, frankly, seems a bit skeptical of a vis-a-vis use of Gecko for a Mac OS X browser. And this guy works at Apple now.



    As far as Netscape 7 vs. Mozilla, the user determines the winner in this case, and Netscape is still a better UE than Mozilla. It's hard for the model Mozilla works on to improve on that aspect. I know I don't bother with it because, as snobbish as this is, it's so un-Mac-like that it's a nuisance to use it when working with my other apps.
  • Reply 17 of 36
    kcmackcmac Posts: 1,051member
    Netscape and Mozilla! Sorry. They try to do everything. I want my browser to be just that. A browser.



    Keep hoping Navigator (Chimera) will someday be as nice to look at as OmniWeb. Hope someday Omniweb will read the pages that Navigator and IE read.



    IE reads everything (or at least more for me than the others) but is UGLY and looks nothing like an aqua app.



    Browsers must really be complicated more than laypeople like me will ever understand. I can't imagine Apple putting out a browser that would need at least 3-4 versions before it would be good enough.



    I'll keep using OW as much as possible only because of how it looks. It also isn't that much slower than Navigator.
  • Reply 18 of 36
    [quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:

    <strong>When (not if) AOL moves to a Netscape browser, the marketshare of IE will change dramatically.</strong><hr></blockquote>IIRC, AOL already switched the built-in browser to Netscape. I know I've seen screenshots of AOL for OSX that use Mozilla.

    [quote]<strong>Netscape is still a better UE than Mozilla.</strong><hr></blockquote>Umm, are you sure? As far as I can tell, their interfaces are identical except for the logo and name changes (and that Netscape uses AOLIM instead of ChatZilla).



    Where exactly do you find Netscape superior to Mozilla?



    You do realize that Netscape is built on top of Mozilla, right?



    [ 08-31-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
  • Reply 19 of 36
    i know moz should be faster but netscape 7 final is faster!



    i dont think netscape should give up anymore than apple should...choice is good...



    we dont want a one browser world



    or a one os world either..



    there's no reason not to belive that 10 years from now apple wont grow their marketshare to say 10%

    they just have to keep innovating, fighting, and never give up!

    anything can happen in technology
  • Reply 20 of 36
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    [quote]IRC, AOL already switched the built-in browser to Netscape. I know I've seen screenshots of AOL for OSX that use Mozilla.<hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, but I'm thinking of this from the dominant Windows point of view. That hasn't happened yet, but it's obvious Netscape will replace IE on Windows AOL soon too.



    [quote]...Umm, are you sure? As far as I can tell, their interfaces are identical except for the logo and name changes (and that Netscape uses AOLIM instead of ChatZilla).<hr></blockquote>



    Again, from a windows-centric point of view. Netscape just fits into the windows UI a little better than Mozilla. I suppose "superior" is a poor choice of words, because the difference is slim, not as big as the word "superior" would imply. They are nearly identical, but in general, Netscape is a little more Windows-like in appearance and procedure (wizards and all -- ugh).



    [changed my mind about something]



    [ 08-31-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
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