Tigerton has two variations that we know of right now. There is a dual core version for dual processor systems, and there is a four core version for single processor systems but it is not the same as kensington, and clovertown. Kensington, and clovertown are 2x2 cores =4 on one die, and tigerton is a 4 cores on one die with a memory i/o controller. Tigerton could be used in an iMac. The processor in the MacPro could be a Tigerton Big brother that allows two independent 4 core tigertons on one mobo which is what I expect because intel is keeping a lid on the dueling for core processor they intend to introduce. Personally I think it will be introduced at MacWorld.
Tigerton takes the dual Quad in excess of 2.66? I heard to about '3.5' gig? ish? So while the Octo may well be very tempting...for apps that aren't multi-threaded...you'll get an extra kick with Tigerton in Apps that are single or optimised 'only' for dual core. Tigerton may be the sweet spot purchase for next year.
What do you guys think?
That's maybe a leap worth waiting for if you think about an extra gig of speed per core. That's an extra 8 gig?
I'd wait an extra half a year for that...!
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Remember when we used to complain about the glacial pace of PPC cpu development? This is alot more exciting...
Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??
Seeing that the Core 2 Duo can be a user upgrade in the Mac Mini, can any of the quad-core Intel chips be user replaceable in a Mac Mini? Or is the socket completely different? It seems like there was a story posted some time ago that this was possible...
Seeing that the Core 2 Duo can be a user upgrade in the Mac Mini, can any of the quad-core Intel chips be user replaceable in a Mac Mini? Or is the socket completely different? It seems like there was a story posted some time ago that this was possible...
There isn't a quad for mobile computers, and Intel is changing sockets before there will be one.
Tigerton has two variations that we know of right now. There is a dual core version for dual processor systems, and there is a four core version for single processor systems but it is not the same as kensington, and clovertown. Kensington, and clovertown are 2x2 cores =4 on one die, and tigerton is a 4 cores on one die with a memory i/o controller. Tigerton could be used in an iMac. The processor in the MacPro could be a Tigerton Big brother that allows two independent 4 core tigertons on one mobo which is what I expect because intel is keeping a lid on the dueling for core processor they intend to introduce. Personally I think it will be introduced at MacWorld.
I have not seen Intel use the same chip code name for multiple released variations, especially for variations as great as that. The only Tigerton I know of is a quad core chip meant to go into four-way systems, making sixteen cores, marketed as Xeon MP, like this demo system:
It is possible that Intel had intended to have on-die memory controller in the conceptual phase, but it doesn't appear to be in the final product. Whitefield was supposed to have on die memory but I think that program was delayed or ended.
Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??
The Xeon 5300 series will. The qx6700 won't as apple doesn't make a traditional desktop. The Macbooks, Mac Mini, and iMac all run the mobile platform and there won't be a quad core available for a while. Then again for 90% of the programs out there, dual or quad core will not make any difference.
I have not seen Intel use the same chip code name for multiple released variations, especially for variations as great as that. The only Tigerton I know of is a quad core chip meant to go into four-way systems, making sixteen cores, marketed as Xeon MP, like this demo system:
It is possible that Intel had intended to have on-die memory controller in the conceptual phase, but it doesn't appear to be in the final product. Whitefield was supposed to have on die memory but I think that program was delayed or ended.
"These products are still a ways off on its roadmap, but Intel already has working preliminary hardware for its next-gen Caneland server platform and Tigerton quad-core processor."
There is still only what I mentioned in intels roadmap. And until intel says otherwise. I will not jump to conclusions pre-prototype experimental systems. We have no idea what that is really. HOw hot it runs, or if it's going to get past the pre-prototype stage.
"These products are still a ways off on its roadmap, but Intel already has working preliminary hardware for its next-gen Caneland server platform and Tigerton quad-core processor."
There is still only what I mentioned in intels roadmap. And until intel says otherwise. I will not jump to conclusions pre-prototype experimental systems. We have no idea what that is really. HOw hot it runs, or if it's going to get past the pre-prototype stage.
What you mentioned in Intel's roadmap? Can you provide links? I have no idea what a pre-prototype experimental system is, but that looks like a fully functional system as it is. A live demo with working silicon tells me they are pretty far along. Generally, that far along and it's way too late to add major features or make other significant changes. Nor does Intel make a habit of letting outsiders snap pictures of products or show the systems off unless it's reasonably close to done. I'm not seeing any indication that what is code-named Tigerton would ever end up in any successor to Apple's current products, except for a four-socket Xserve or an extreme version of Mac Pro costing more than $10k because four socket computers are never cheap.
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Tigerton has two variations that we know of right now. There is a dual core version for dual processor systems, and there is a four core version for single processor systems but it is not the same as kensington, and clovertown. Kensington, and clovertown are 2x2 cores =4 on one die, and tigerton is a 4 cores on one die with a memory i/o controller. Tigerton could be used in an iMac. The processor in the MacPro could be a Tigerton Big brother that allows two independent 4 core tigertons on one mobo which is what I expect because intel is keeping a lid on the dueling for core processor they intend to introduce. Personally I think it will be introduced at MacWorld.
Tigerton takes the dual Quad in excess of 2.66? I heard to about '3.5' gig? ish? So while the Octo may well be very tempting...for apps that aren't multi-threaded...you'll get an extra kick with Tigerton in Apps that are single or optimised 'only' for dual core. Tigerton may be the sweet spot purchase for next year.
What do you guys think?
That's maybe a leap worth waiting for if you think about an extra gig of speed per core. That's an extra 8 gig?
I'd wait an extra half a year for that...!
Lemon Bon Bon
PS. Remember when we used to complain about the glacial pace of PPC cpu development? This is alot more exciting...
Is it so difficult to name them
Intel Core Solo at x Mhz (1 core)
Intel Core Duo at x Mhz (2 cores)
Intel Core Quad at x Mhz (4 cores)
Intel Core Octo at x Mhz (8 cores)
Intel Core 16 at x Mhz (16 cores)
Intel Core 32 at x Mhz (32 cores)
Intel Core 64 at x Mhz (64 cores)
Intel Core 128 at x Mhz (128 cores)
Intel Core 256 at x Mhz (256 cores)
Intel Core 512 at x Mhz (512 cores)
Intel Core 1024 at x Mhz (1024 cores)
and so on...
Why do thing righ when you can mess around?
Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??
Seeing that the Core 2 Duo can be a user upgrade in the Mac Mini, can any of the quad-core Intel chips be user replaceable in a Mac Mini? Or is the socket completely different? It seems like there was a story posted some time ago that this was possible...
Seeing that the Core 2 Duo can be a user upgrade in the Mac Mini, can any of the quad-core Intel chips be user replaceable in a Mac Mini? Or is the socket completely different? It seems like there was a story posted some time ago that this was possible...
There isn't a quad for mobile computers, and Intel is changing sockets before there will be one.
Intel. why oh why do not try to make chip names a bit more complicated? Probably you can of you just try!
Is it so difficult to name them
Intel Core Solo at x Mhz (1 core)
Intel Core Duo at x Mhz (2 cores)
Intel Core Quad at x Mhz (4 cores)
Intel Core Octo at x Mhz (8 cores)
Intel Core 16 at x Mhz (16 cores)
Intel Core 32 at x Mhz (32 cores)
Intel Core 64 at x Mhz (64 cores)
Intel Core 128 at x Mhz (128 cores)
Intel Core 256 at x Mhz (256 cores)
Intel Core 512 at x Mhz (512 cores)
Intel Core 1024 at x Mhz (1024 cores)
and so on...
Why do thing righ when you can mess around?
Because that doesn't account for different revisions (increased cache, added features, etc.)?
Tigerton has two variations that we know of right now. There is a dual core version for dual processor systems, and there is a four core version for single processor systems but it is not the same as kensington, and clovertown. Kensington, and clovertown are 2x2 cores =4 on one die, and tigerton is a 4 cores on one die with a memory i/o controller. Tigerton could be used in an iMac. The processor in the MacPro could be a Tigerton Big brother that allows two independent 4 core tigertons on one mobo which is what I expect because intel is keeping a lid on the dueling for core processor they intend to introduce. Personally I think it will be introduced at MacWorld.
I have not seen Intel use the same chip code name for multiple released variations, especially for variations as great as that. The only Tigerton I know of is a quad core chip meant to go into four-way systems, making sixteen cores, marketed as Xeon MP, like this demo system:
http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/11099
It is possible that Intel had intended to have on-die memory controller in the conceptual phase, but it doesn't appear to be in the final product. Whitefield was supposed to have on die memory but I think that program was delayed or ended.
Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??
The Xeon 5300 series will. The qx6700 won't as apple doesn't make a traditional desktop. The Macbooks, Mac Mini, and iMac all run the mobile platform and there won't be a quad core available for a while. Then again for 90% of the programs out there, dual or quad core will not make any difference.
Allows Apple to constantly refresh!
Curious, curious, curious...
I have not seen Intel use the same chip code name for multiple released variations, especially for variations as great as that. The only Tigerton I know of is a quad core chip meant to go into four-way systems, making sixteen cores, marketed as Xeon MP, like this demo system:
http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/11099
It is possible that Intel had intended to have on-die memory controller in the conceptual phase, but it doesn't appear to be in the final product. Whitefield was supposed to have on die memory but I think that program was delayed or ended.
"These products are still a ways off on its roadmap, but Intel already has working preliminary hardware for its next-gen Caneland server platform and Tigerton quad-core processor."
There is still only what I mentioned in intels roadmap. And until intel says otherwise. I will not jump to conclusions pre-prototype experimental systems. We have no idea what that is really. HOw hot it runs, or if it's going to get past the pre-prototype stage.
"These products are still a ways off on its roadmap, but Intel already has working preliminary hardware for its next-gen Caneland server platform and Tigerton quad-core processor."
There is still only what I mentioned in intels roadmap. And until intel says otherwise. I will not jump to conclusions pre-prototype experimental systems. We have no idea what that is really. HOw hot it runs, or if it's going to get past the pre-prototype stage.
What you mentioned in Intel's roadmap? Can you provide links? I have no idea what a pre-prototype experimental system is, but that looks like a fully functional system as it is. A live demo with working silicon tells me they are pretty far along. Generally, that far along and it's way too late to add major features or make other significant changes. Nor does Intel make a habit of letting outsiders snap pictures of products or show the systems off unless it's reasonably close to done. I'm not seeing any indication that what is code-named Tigerton would ever end up in any successor to Apple's current products, except for a four-socket Xserve or an extreme version of Mac Pro costing more than $10k because four socket computers are never cheap.