Briefly: Black iPod nano sales trail the pack

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  • Reply 21 of 53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kuku


    Size? Weight? Battery life?



    Nanos are nanos, flash vs HDD.



    I have nothing againist your gf's decision, but her reasoning as they say economics, false informational deduction. Which is, the decision may be good or bad, but economically right as long as information has been properly compared.



    I'm sure she's not the first, but, you could have corrected her, and then let her think it over. (That's what a good rep is suppose to do at stores)





    well, she was aware of the differences (sorry, I didn't really explain that originally), but the ability to put much more music, photos, etc on her iPod, and FOR THE SAME PRICE, far outweighed any consideration in regards to (what she considered) a rather small difference in weight, size (she knew it was larger but still small in her opinion). She wasn't concerned in regards to the Flash vs HDD.



    Of course I realize that everyone is different and has a different perspective on what they think is important, but it still seems silly to me to have the Black Nano and the 30gbVid the same price
  • Reply 22 of 53
    kukukuku Posts: 254member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by skavon


    well, she was aware of the differences (sorry, I didn't really explain that originally), but the ability to put much more music, photos, etc on her iPod, and FOR THE SAME PRICE, far outweighed any consideration in regards to (what she considered) a rather small difference in weight, size (she knew it was larger but still small in her opinion). She wasn't concerned in regards to the Flash vs HDD.



    Of course I realize that everyone is different and has a different perspective on what they think is important, but it still seems silly to me to have the Black Nano and the 30gbVid the same price



    Actually it may be smart. doubling flash for $50 isn't really that healthy of a product. By moving it into the video range, you can suitibly curb demand to the more profitiable 4gig sections.



    Or you steer them into the vipod market. It's all good as long as it's apple, so why not try to profit a little more from it.



    Then if you're smart, like say amazon, you bundle it, because consumers can't choose one and get both ipod and nano.



    Apple is probably watching it closely, as all they need to do is make less 8gig, and not have it overstock.



    Personally I can't decide because 24hr battery life and the weight class is very important for me, but I like my big library.
  • Reply 23 of 53
    mark2005mark2005 Posts: 1,158member
    What most commenters here have forgotten is that black was the in color before Apple reintroduced the other colors. The black 30GB and 80GB still outsell the white ones (at the same price) by a huge margin (check it out at Amazon). So the 8GB in black was intended to be a premium color.



    What has happened is either people are:

    a. going for cheaper (i.e., for Xmas gifts),

    b. in choosing the 30GB over the 8GB for the same money, going for video and storage over size, or

    c. going for the new colors since black is becoming less unique (the cool and new factor), and especially if someone already has a black 1GB or 2GB nano.



    In any case, Amazon still shows relatively good sales for the black 8GB.
  • Reply 24 of 53
    If you want Apple to make 8GB model in other colours too, use the feedback. That's what I did. It's like voting
  • Reply 25 of 53
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,949member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guest


    i have a(n) HDD ipod, and i'd drop $250 in a heartbeat for a nano if they weren't trying to force me to buy a black one.



    There's a red one too. I really don't think an 8GB nano is really necessary though. It's also pretty unusual for Apple to have product lines overlap like that.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H


    I think that's the real problem. I understand the decision in terms of trying to keep inventory down, but it would be better just to invest in better inventory-management. They should have all the colours (including black) available at 8 GB, and the current options at the other sizes.



    The margins on the 8GB are smaller than the 2GB and 4GB models, so I think the limited number of color choices makes sense.
  • Reply 26 of 53
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    This depends on your POV....



    - If your focus is obtaining a black Nano then you DO have to pay a $50 premium.

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    If you want a Nano and the most storage for your money then you have to purchase the Black or (RED).
  • Reply 27 of 53
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,949member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by skavon


    well, she was aware of the differences (sorry, I didn't really explain that originally), but the ability to put much more music, photos, etc on her iPod, and FOR THE SAME PRICE, far outweighed any consideration in regards to (what she considered) a rather small difference in weight, size (she knew it was larger but still small in her opinion). She wasn't concerned in regards to the Flash vs HDD.



    Of course I realize that everyone is different and has a different perspective on what they think is important, but it still seems silly to me to have the Black Nano and the 30gbVid the same price



    It's not silly because they aren't really even the same type of product. If you want the best durability, the flash iPods are more durable. Running with an HDD in operation is very hard on them, or if you accidentally drop it when the drive is seeking, it's asking for problems. I'm not sure why size and weight wouldn't be a consideration, I don't mind the nano, but I'm not walking around with something as distracting as the regular iPod in my pockets for hours at a time.
  • Reply 28 of 53
    noirdesirnoirdesir Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by furious_


    guest you are being rude.



    If you considered the article as insulting to one's intelligence, he was just giving back what he received...

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by furious_


    So if you want or would prefer black you have to pay 50$ extra.



    Seen like this, there is also a blue, green and pink tax. If I want these colours I have to pay $50 more than I would pay for silver...
  • Reply 29 of 53
    Exactly. I wanted a nano because I like to do exercise, like a lightweight small iPod, and my 3g iPod's HDD went tits up. I knew all the benefits of the larger player, and even though I have a massive library realised that I only regularly listen to a fraction of that. I still however wanted the most storage possible for the form factor. As such I chose the 8GB nano, (black was the colour I'd have chosen anyway, probably) and am happy with my purchase.
  • Reply 30 of 53
    What I don't get is this: the 8GB Nano is the exact same price as a 30GB iPod.



    Yes, some people will want/need the form-factor of a Nano, but wouldn't most people - if, as people here are saying, they decide using value for money proposition - go for the extra 22GB?



    Yes, I understand that they are different products, yes, I understand that some people will NEED/WANT the Nano form factor - that's not at issue here... the value proposition arguement is at issue.
  • Reply 31 of 53
    I know for me - the 8 GB Nano was exactly what I was waiting for Apple to release...I've got a 40GB $th Gen, and don't feel the need to replace that until there is a full screen HDD...but, the 8GB Nano was exactly what I looking for to replace my Mini



    for many people, myself included, they are totally different products - the HDD for long trips, long car rides, hooking up to my stereo,...the Nano for day-to-day use, working out, wearing around the appartment
  • Reply 32 of 53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider


    When it comes to digital music players, consumers are expressing a reluctance to bite at Apple's "black tax," which has thus far translated into slow sales of the company's $249 black iPod nano.



    For the most part, shoppers have been unwilling to plunk down the extra $50 for the black-colored player, which boasts 8 Gigabytes (GB) of storage capacity but is otherwise identical in functionality to a multi-colored array 4GB models that sell for just $199.



    Based on a series of checks, Apple's most popular second-generation iPod nano is its $199 silver 4GB model, followed closely by the similarly colored 2GB player at $149. Next in line at the checkout counters are $199 blue and green 4GB nanos, which consumers are pocketing at a comparable rate.



    Apple's $199 pink 4GB iPod nano is the least popular candy-colored model, while sales of the 8GB black player trail all other second-generation iPod nano models. The subdued demand for the high-end nano suggests most customers are willing to forgo the black-color and extra 4GB of space in order to save $50 on iPods that don't sport video capabilities.



    It's unclear where the (PRODUCT) RED iPod nanos fall into the mix, as the players are relatively new and sold exclusively by Apple (and select Wal-Mart retail stores). However, early indications are that demand for the 4GB model has been robust, with some Apple retail stores facing issues in keeping the players on the shelves.



    Citing an "off the charts" response to $199 player, Apple earlier this month added an 8GB model, of which AppleInsider is still seeking sales data.



    Apple donates $10 from the sale of each (PRODUCT) RED iPod nano to the Global Fund to help fight HIV/AIDS in Africa.



    Well in New Zealand where I live the black Nano and the 30GB iPod video cost the same. Now which would you buy? Me, I'm like Tim the toolman and want "More power...!"
  • Reply 33 of 53
    Frankly, I thought they just threw it out for the negative nellies out there and non-thinking analysts/journalists who would've started out a sentence with ... "But if you want the largest flash drive, you have to buy a SanDisk" (never mind it's weight or its no ipod/itunes UI) if anything, I think it falls into line with Apple' expectations otherwise the 8 Gb would have all 5 colors.



    This was just a 'yea-whatever' product with just 1 color to save on inventory and like adding RED, if it sells well, it would've been easy to add colors - always better than to subtract.



    So not only does it dagger Sandisk, it helps to sell the 30GB video ipod because a lot of people will think - for a few ounces more and only $50 bucks, I get video + games, etc ... so it makes the 30GB ipod look better for many people ...



    The facts are that the bulk of DAP/ipod buyers are pretty content and find it hard to fill 2GB or 4GB, let alone 8GB (it's not me, I could fill 6 80GB ipods ... I'm no Lagerfeld though) ... :-)



    but the bottom line - those guys at this Apple company - no dummies they :-)
  • Reply 34 of 53
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,949member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jbelkin


    The facts are that the bulk of DAP/ipod buyers are pretty content and find it hard to fill 2GB or 4GB, let alone 8GB (it's not me, I could fill 6 80GB ipods ... I'm no Lagerfeld though) ... :-)



    I can fill up an 80, but with iTunes' Smart Playlists, I don't need to. I just have it keep track of the play count of all tracks, and anything on the iPod that's been played gets replaced with an unplayed track.
  • Reply 35 of 53
    kukukuku Posts: 254member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deckard


    What I don't get is this: the 8GB Nano is the exact same price as a 30GB iPod.



    Yes, some people will want/need the form-factor of a Nano, but wouldn't most people - if, as people here are saying, they decide using value for money proposition - go for the extra 22GB?



    Yes, I understand that they are different products, yes, I understand that some people will NEED/WANT the Nano form factor - that's not at issue here... the value proposition arguement is at issue.



    Flawed argument and somewhat american. While it is true that we tend to think the "most bang for a buck" It is also true that that can also be a problem.



    Take cars local vs foreign. Big gas burning muscle car's were king, why the japanese small ones were taken as stupid. But as time went around, we saw a shift. The advantages of small, gas saving, compact cars began to be felt.
  • Reply 36 of 53
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guest


    What a ridiculous thing to say. $50 to double the capacity of something hardly seems like a minor detail. Otherwise the same? Are you kidding? This is poor reporting/writing at best, and at worst an insult to those of us who evaluate things from a less emotional perspective.



    Even if it was white, double capacity is still double capacity, and easily justifies the extra $50.



    This review is worthless.



    The issue is that the price bumps up very closely against a 30gb video iPod. The math is very simple. $50 for 4GB extra and black, 8gb total, ............or............ 30gb video iPod white OR black.



    Bingo bango --- you can get BLACK video iPod for same price as black iPod 8gb.



    The article had some useful sales data on iPod nanos in general especially colour differences.
  • Reply 37 of 53
    Apple is trying to charge a premium on a colour (BLACK nano), which unfortunately is also available with no premium when you look at features (ipod video BLACK). Assuming smarter consumers buying the iPods around the $250USD range compared to those at $50-$200USD range, the "trailing the pack" of the black nanos is not surprising, but interesting to note. Apple will learn from this, which is great.



    We do not have information on profit margins though so sifting through that data, when/where available, may be more useful.
  • Reply 38 of 53
    palegolaspalegolas Posts: 1,289member
    I think the nano is most interesting in 2-4 GB. At 8 GB I feel like I'm half way to a full size iPod, but I still can't play games or video. But still I think just $50 extra for double the capacity is very generous. It's a good bargain... the black MacBook though is just pure evil. I don't understand the strategy. Don't they want to sell black MacBooks?
  • Reply 39 of 53
    The problem is that the 8GB black nano is priced the same as the 30GB iPod with Video, so for the same money you get a lot more.



    There's not enough differentiation between the 4GB and 8GB nano's, since there's not a whole lot you can do with 8 that you can't do with 4GB in a player. The added functionality of the larger iPod would polarize sales between "I want small/light" (nano) and "I want features" (iPod).



    I still don't understand the thinking behind the 8GB black nano. The PRODUCT (RED) nanos make sense, however - you're donating to charity, as well as getting an "exclusive" colored pod (and they look SWEET!). There's enough in that (exclusive color + charity) to differentiate an 8GB RED nano from a 30GB larger iPod as it's no longer "small/light" vs. "features", but "small/light/charity/color" vs. "features"



    This article is off, however, as there's no "black tax" on the nano - it's just a different product. You're not paying more just for the color.
  • Reply 40 of 53
    maccrazymaccrazy Posts: 2,657member
    I find this ironic because people loved the black iPods and in my opinion the iPod nano in black looks so much better than the iPod because it isn't glossy. I wonder how the black MacBook is doing. I do think they should offer the iPod nano 8GB at colours other than red and black though. Give the consumers choice, even if Apple don't want to make black available in cheaper iPod nanos! I do feel $50 is more justified here than the U2 iPod, 8GB is a huge difference.
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