ZFS in Leopard?

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in macOS edited January 2014
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/11983/



Sounds to me like this is real. If this turns out to be true, how big a deal is it?



- Mark
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  • Reply 1 of 26
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,179moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sc_markt


    Sounds to me like this is real. If this turns out to be true, how big a deal is it?



    Given some of the reports about ZFS, it could be a very big deal. Given that most consumer Macs have laptop hard drives, a high performance filesystem can make up for the lack of performance while maintaining the quietness and low power consumption:



    http://cmynhier.blogspot.com/2006/05...chmarking.html



    I like the name too. I would have preferred XFS to go with OS X but that's taken already.



    I'd love it if Apple started shipping ipods as ZFS because that might start a universal acceptance of the format.
  • Reply 2 of 26
    feynmanfeynman Posts: 1,087member
    Just found this:







    Source: http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.ph...pic=7201&st=15



    Good news indeed!
  • Reply 3 of 26
    irelandireland Posts: 17,796member
    Answer me this, is it anyway possible that the Leopard that ships will have a ZFS file system?
  • Reply 4 of 26
    wmfwmf Posts: 1,164member
    Anything is possible.
  • Reply 5 of 26
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wmf


    Anything is possible.



    So it's possible that Leopard will stick my Pizzas in the Microwave, download anything off the Internet at speeds faster then 400 Gbps and fly me to the moon?



    Sebastian
  • Reply 6 of 26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ireland


    Answer me this, is it anyway possible that the Leopard that ships will have a ZFS file system?



    It looks like it will support the ZFS file system on secondary drives but, considering that ZFS isn't supported as a bootable filesystem by any OS, I doubt you'll be using it on your boot drive.



    I suppose you could have the OS on an HFS+ partition and have a ZFS formatted working partition - which is the only way it would be usable on a Macbook, Macbook Pro, Mac Mini, or iMac.
  • Reply 7 of 26
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by audiopollution


    I suppose you could have the OS on an HFS+ partition and have a ZFS formatted working partition - which is the only way it would be usable on a Macbook, Macbook Pro, Mac Mini, or iMac.



    Or you could just use an External HDD.



    Sebastian
  • Reply 8 of 26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Slewis


    Or you could just use an External HDD.



    Sebastian



    That's fine for an iMac or a Mini ... not so good if you want a great filesystem on your portable. Since work is being done on making it ZFS support bootable filesystems, I exepct that it will happen soon enough - more so, if Apple are throwing some engineering dollars behind it.
  • Reply 9 of 26
    irelandireland Posts: 17,796member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by audiopollution


    It looks like it will support the ZFS file system on secondary drives but, considering that ZFS isn't supported as a bootable filesystem by any OS, I doubt you'll be using it on your boot drive.



    I know about this, and the fact that it's open source, but is it possible that Apple and Sun have something up their sleeves, with regards to ZFS and the Leopard release time-frame? Could that be one of the reasons that Leopard wont be released until spring?
  • Reply 10 of 26
    slewisslewis Posts: 2,081member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by audiopollution


    That's fine for an iMac or a Mini ... not so good if you want a great filesystem on your portable. Since work is being done on making it ZFS support bootable filesystems, I exepct that it will happen soon enough - more so, if Apple are throwing some engineering dollars behind it.



    Correct. But an External HDD is still one way to make this usable, even on a Laptop, just not the best way.



    Sebastian
  • Reply 11 of 26
    I can see apple slowly introducing ZFS as a FS choice for secondary drives first. I would let them work out any bugs with it before they move it to being the main FS. I'm guessing we could see ZFS as a main FS option sometime around 10.6.
  • Reply 12 of 26
    So this is another of the 'big' features for Leopard?



    'Secret' features? Sounds good from what I can tell. More robost, flexible and efficient hard drive/data storage?



    Lemon Bon Bon
  • Reply 13 of 26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feynman


    Just found this:







    Source: http://www.aeroxp.org/board/index.ph...pic=7201&st=15



    Good news indeed!



    That image showing ZFS in what looks like Disk Utility appears to be slightly transparent. If you look closely there are some bullet points. I just opened Disk Utility (not on Leopard) and don't see any transparency in it. What's the explanation for this??? Is Leopard's Disk Utility transparent? Or is this some bad photoshop job?
  • Reply 14 of 26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macvault


    That image showing ZFS in what looks like Disk Utility appears to be slightly transparent. If you look closely there are some bullet points. I just opened Disk Utility (not on Leopard) and don't see any transparency in it. What's the explanation for this??? Is Leopard's Disk Utility transparent? Or is this some bad photoshop job?



    It looks like a sheet.
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  • Reply 16 of 26
    vinney57vinney57 Posts: 1,162member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison


    http://themachackers.com/



    NICE



    Wow, good find Murch'.
  • Reply 17 of 26
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Suhweet. Looks like it's coming along well.
  • Reply 18 of 26
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,179moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kickaha


    Suhweet. Looks like it's coming along well.



    Not well enough for a January release for Leopard though.



    Vista consumer version is out on Jan 30th I believe so I guess it will have to be after that anyway.
  • Reply 19 of 26
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,392member
    I've got no problems with an April 2007 release with a dearth of bugs and solid ZFS support. Vista is a non-factor, neither OS affects the other.



    I'm a bit surprised to see Apple is so far along with ZFS. Man this is going to be a boon for creative types that want to just create a nice big pool of storage. I didn't want to get my hopes up regarding ZFS but now the fire has been stoked.



    Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee no more volume management!!!!
  • Reply 20 of 26
    i still dont know what ZFS is even after reading the Wiki and looking at other posts
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