resolution independence is real, and will be in everything in leopard. Not offering it will make your app the same as having a PowerPC app running on Intel. People will have little badges on their site that says "resolution independent" or something like that.
Apple is very, very serious, there is a whole new method of doing graphics, combining animations, icns files, and graphics as a whole. Apple is very serious about complete resolution independence in the shipping build of Leopard.
To me, it seems Leopard is so unfinished that there's either: a) a super secret build at 1 Infinite Loop, b) there are no super secret builds and Leopard will not be released for another 6 months.
Add in some surprise last minute top secret features: A GUI to end all GUIs. 'iPhone' support, iTV support, Front Row (neXt gen...), iLife 07(!) and...and...what ever else?!??!
I'm convinced now beyond a shadow of a doubt, that aqua will be swept out the door. There's three color scrollbars coming in Leopard. Sleek blue/gray (iTunes 7), black (iTunes 7), and white (Mail, and I'm guessing other places too).
Apple had specific job postings for this, after Tiger was released. Well over a year ago.
You'd be a fool to think brushed metal wont disappear completely. Be gone ya witch! So far the most used app that's useful, is Safari. Add another one or two features to Safari, revamp the UI, and without a shadow of a doubt you've got the worlds best browser there.
..by the way I hope you're right about iTV support, otherwise we're fucked!
I have to say I have the same opinion. People are all saying Leopard is going to be great but I haven't seen any evidence yet beyond the ZFS stuff, which is going to be in Solaris anyway. Most of the things like Spaces, Time machine, Web clip etc are either just gimmicks or repackaged technology we've seen already.
I hope that QE2D is working. There is a small writeup of it at Ars from what was said, it makes a huge differenece in speed in some areas.
I don't believe app developers need early access as all relevant UI elements will change automatically as they are provided by osX anyway (think scrollbar styles etc.).
I think apple is smarter than you seem to believe and that current Leopard builds contain all necessary -under-the-hood- changes developers need to update their apps. Then as apple introduces the new UI, the changed application-level elements are just automatically applied to all apps, no intervention needed.
I sincerely hope Apple don't think that, since it'll make a lot of mad developers!
Yes, widget changes are applied automatically, but what you (and many others) are forgetting is that apps contain a whole load of original artwork... all created to fit in with the GUI and maintain consistency of style. Redoing it all would require a lot of faffing about deciding on how best to do the art in the new style, co-ordinating designers... just finding out a list of everything that needs changing would take a while!
This would be just after Apple has asked us to redo all our art for resolution independence. They've just got developers to make new artwork at four times the resolution - if they ship an OS that makes that artwork useless before it's seen the light of day, there will be an outcry!
Would resolution independence finally mean that 100% MEANS 100%?
I'm sick fed up of layout packages like Quark, Illustrator and InDesign where viewing a page at 100% doesn't even remotely equate to the size of a layout in real life.
There doesn't seem any point to having a perecentage system if it doesn't actualy equate to anything!
Would resolution independence finally mean that 100% MEANS 100%?
I'm sick fed up of layout packages like Quark, Illustrator and InDesign where viewing a page at 100% doesn't even remotely equate to the size of a layout in real life.
There doesn't seem any point to having a perecentage system if it doesn't actualy equate to anything!
The percentage system relates to the output device. The screen and print will vary with varying dimesions of screen and print.
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ok, fair enough, I still believe you're way to pessimistic about Leopard, but then again you won't be disappointed! Anyway, we'll find out in 19 days
Lemon Bon Bon 8)
Apple is very, very serious, there is a whole new method of doing graphics, combining animations, icns files, and graphics as a whole. Apple is very serious about complete resolution independence in the shipping build of Leopard.
Heck one guy (can't remember if it was Steve) had to switch to a backup because an app crashed during the keynote and wouldn't force quit.
Scott Forestal I think. If my memory serves me correctly; "I wish I could go back in time before that happened".
To me, it seems Leopard is so unfinished that there's either: a) a super secret build at 1 Infinite Loop, b) there are no super secret builds and Leopard will not be released for another 6 months.
Very interesting stuff there.
Add in some surprise last minute top secret features: A GUI to end all GUIs. 'iPhone' support, iTV support, Front Row (neXt gen...), iLife 07(!) and...and...what ever else?!??!
I'm convinced now beyond a shadow of a doubt, that aqua will be swept out the door. There's three color scrollbars coming in Leopard. Sleek blue/gray (iTunes 7), black (iTunes 7), and white (Mail, and I'm guessing other places too).
Apple had specific job postings for this, after Tiger was released. Well over a year ago.
You'd be a fool to think brushed metal wont disappear completely. Be gone ya witch! So far the most used app that's useful, is Safari. Add another one or two features to Safari, revamp the UI, and without a shadow of a doubt you've got the worlds best browser there.
..by the way I hope you're right about iTV support, otherwise we're fucked!
I have to say I have the same opinion. People are all saying Leopard is going to be great but I haven't seen any evidence yet beyond the ZFS stuff, which is going to be in Solaris anyway. Most of the things like Spaces, Time machine, Web clip etc are either just gimmicks or repackaged technology we've seen already.
I hope that QE2D is working. There is a small writeup of it at Ars from what was said, it makes a huge differenece in speed in some areas.
- Mark
It could suffer the same fate as Quartz 2D Extreme.
What happened to Q2DE?? I thought it was going to be in 10.5?
- Mark
I don't believe app developers need early access as all relevant UI elements will change automatically as they are provided by osX anyway (think scrollbar styles etc.).
I think apple is smarter than you seem to believe and that current Leopard builds contain all necessary -under-the-hood- changes developers need to update their apps. Then as apple introduces the new UI, the changed application-level elements are just automatically applied to all apps, no intervention needed.
I sincerely hope Apple don't think that, since it'll make a lot of mad developers!
Yes, widget changes are applied automatically, but what you (and many others) are forgetting is that apps contain a whole load of original artwork... all created to fit in with the GUI and maintain consistency of style. Redoing it all would require a lot of faffing about deciding on how best to do the art in the new style, co-ordinating designers... just finding out a list of everything that needs changing would take a while!
This would be just after Apple has asked us to redo all our art for resolution independence. They've just got developers to make new artwork at four times the resolution - if they ship an OS that makes that artwork useless before it's seen the light of day, there will be an outcry!
Amorya
I'm sick fed up of layout packages like Quark, Illustrator and InDesign where viewing a page at 100% doesn't even remotely equate to the size of a layout in real life.
There doesn't seem any point to having a perecentage system if it doesn't actualy equate to anything!
Would resolution independence finally mean that 100% MEANS 100%?
I'm sick fed up of layout packages like Quark, Illustrator and InDesign where viewing a page at 100% doesn't even remotely equate to the size of a layout in real life.
There doesn't seem any point to having a perecentage system if it doesn't actualy equate to anything!
The percentage system relates to the output device. The screen and print will vary with varying dimesions of screen and print.