In the other Software Agents thread, (mods could you merge these?) we are having a similar discussion. In that thread, I suggested that perhaps Apple might go back to the future with a knowledge navigator like voice command user interface.
I did read some of that thread. I'm relatively new to Macs so I don't pretend to know what knowledge navigator is but doesn't OS X already have a voice command user interface? I've used it once and I'm not a fan of it. In the same regard I don't think it would be a revolutionary new computing experience if you had to control your computer by giving it voice commands, but rather a hinderance. Let me know what this is all about I'd love to learn more about it.
I would like to think that Leopard has a few more killer apps in store for us, though I can't imagine what they'd be really.
I would expect gracefull - non tourret - movements and full customizability of the sensitivity and the range of commands/programs responding to gestures.
well if someone walks past your seat and triggers it, or you lean back and it gets triggered accidentally, thats more what i ment, how annoying would that be? VERY IMO
a cool idea none the less, im afraid i just cant see how it becomes EASY.. do i mouse with my Right hand and wave my left to invoke stuff, as well as use my left for key shortcuts? or lift my Right hand to invoke them, thus taking my hand away from the mouse (my primary input) it would get confusing... how many theramin players can you name?
there was a thread a while ago about the imac getting a touch screen and some people nearly had a fit about how THAT wouldnt work because they might have to lift their hand to a screen to press a button they could actually SEE... so "gestures" being even more free form than pressing an onscreen button or link, might well send those same users into a blind panic
has some wonderful possibilities though eg in education
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I did convince my girlfriend I need a macbook for work soon
The time was supposed to be 2010 for the device we are almost there and you can see the basics with ical integration, google, spotlight, addressbook, ichat, ichat answering machine, speech recognition. All that is left is the Apple-ness bringing all of these technologies together.
I wonder if this will be some of the secret features in leopard.
I'd like to see some mind-blowing, paradigm breaking, UI goodness a la Time Machine. The graphics power of machines these days is WAY beyond what we had 10 years ago. Shadows, translucence, anti-aliasing, 3D transforms, etc. XGL, Compiz, and similar ilk have taken some of the things Apple's been doing with Quartz to some extremes, but I think Apple could "mainstream" some of those UI enhancements and blaze some new territory of their own.
Sure, for the first six months or so people will whine about the uselessness for the new eye-candy. But then they will start to expect it and rely on the features some of that "uselessness" brings.
I also mentioned in that other thread that maybe the new paradigm is that we really start to look at the computer as more of a personal assistant. It knows when we are in front of the computer (via iSight), actually speaks to us and tells us when important meetings are, or when a high-priority email comes across, or whatever.
Also, I ask this over here as well, wouldn't it be nice to ask your computer what the weather is, what the current stock price of AAPL stock is, to see if Joe Schmoe is on iChat right now, or whatever without having to change applications? That kind of interface I could see as being "Top Secret".
Hell, if my cell phone can handle voice activated commands without me having to program it in, there is no reason why my Mac can't do that as well.
but ZFS would be a great step REALLY REALLY {shudder} good!
i think, somewhat sadly the UI is a given.. ill be sad to see Aqua go, i like it
what i was really hopeing for in this thread was some kind of "WOW why havent they done that YEARS ago" thing like we all felt when we saw "Time Machine" a "Yeah that just makes sense" type, top secret thingumyjig.
What *is* that "Top Secret" stuff? Here's my guesses.
Very, very likely:
- A refreshed UI (Illuminous?). (I've a sneaking suspicion the current teaser on Apple.com's home page is in fact, rather mischievously, a extreme close-up of the new UI -- the Apple in the Apple menu in particular -- but that's just a wild hunch.)
- An updated Finder, and a vastly enhanced Spotlight UI.
Possible (who knows?):
- A bevy of UI enhancements, including Dock, Exposé, and notification updates.
- A Google Earth-like maps application, with GPS features.
- Enhanced speech recognition
- An advanced supplemental gestural UI that utilizes Macs' built-in iSights
- A built-in telephony/VoIP app that integrates with Address Book & iChat.
Quite unlikely:
- A radical new UI that breaks with the WIMP model.
- ZFS as the default file system, or anything but a formatting option (for the moment).
- A refreshed UI (Illuminous?). (I've a sneaking suspicion the current teaser on Apple.com's home page is in fact, rather mischievously, a extreme close-up of the new UI -- the Apple in the Apple menu in particular -- but that's just a wild hunch.)
That sounds a lot like Apple. I can really see that happening, actually.
I think a new feature of Leopard will be tongue operated UIs. Just activate your iSight camera, stick out your tongue, twirl it around, drool some, and you're on your way.
I think a new feature of Leopard will be tongue operated UIs. Just activate your iSight camera, stick out your tongue, twirl it around, drool some, and you're on your way.
Since Apple will have taken more time getting Leopard out than any of the previous major upgrades I would expect that there will be a major change in more than a few areas. they had to be doing something during that time - close to 2 years?
I believe a lot of work will have been done in the guts of OS X which we won't see, but will be able to appreciate to some degree - especially in the area of speed. Probably a bit of work preparing for 10.6 as well - just for the hell of it.
One interesting potential is if they can blend core image into the GUI in some way. Won't work for the older Macs, but could be wild on newer Macs. (I actually hope core image is worked into iPhoto at a minimum.)
A very small and stupid wish of a new feature; more languages for the dictionary application. Shouldn't be that hard, and it is prepared for it. So just bring it on. Or at least offer other languages for download or something.
A very small and stupid wish of a new feature; more languages for the dictionary application. Shouldn't be that hard, and it is prepared for it. So just bring it on. Or at least offer other languages for download or something.
If you look in the Application Library, you will find an Oxford American Dictionary and Oxford American Thesaurus, both with the .dict extension.
I looked around for some dictionaries with that extension on Google, but it appears they don't exist. This sort of thing has huge potential though, at least in my opinion, You would be able to theoretically download Dictionaries for Dictionary.app making it more extensible. Here's to hoping for Dictionary Downloads in Leopard
If you look in the Application Library, you will find an Oxford American Dictionary and Oxford American Thesaurus, both with the .dict extension.
I looked around for some dictionaries with that extension on Google, but it appears they don't exist. This sort of thing has huge potential though, at least in my opinion, You would be able to theoretically download Dictionaries for Dictionary.app making it more extensible. Here's to hoping for Dictionary Downloads in Leopard
Sebastian
wow didnt know this was so sparse in support! at the rate the throw apple loops jam packs out (or whatever their called) which you would imagine are MORE time intensive to prepare than dictionaries, of course im assumeing most of the work has already been done or is freely avalible in a different format.
Ok, after sleeping on the issue, I came up with some thoughts.
ZFS will be incredibly important because I think that the extensibility of the system allows for the storage of video and photos and tunes. The iTV will serve and be able to find the content in both directions from any computer on the network. Probably this functionality will find itself onto the ipod.
But that aside, we are still left with a 1970's interface. I think natural language and gesturing will provide the basis of an operating system's interface. The question is when?
Will 10.5 actually have any of these features. What super secret features did we wait for the release of Vista to find out about?
But that aside, we are still left with a 1970's interface. I think natural language and gesturing will provide the basis of an operating system's interface. The question is when?
Natural language is terribly inefficient and error-prone.
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In the other Software Agents thread, (mods could you merge these?) we are having a similar discussion. In that thread, I suggested that perhaps Apple might go back to the future with a knowledge navigator like voice command user interface.
I did read some of that thread. I'm relatively new to Macs so I don't pretend to know what knowledge navigator is but doesn't OS X already have a voice command user interface? I've used it once and I'm not a fan of it. In the same regard I don't think it would be a revolutionary new computing experience if you had to control your computer by giving it voice commands, but rather a hinderance. Let me know what this is all about I'd love to learn more about it.
I would like to think that Leopard has a few more killer apps in store for us, though I can't imagine what they'd be really.
I would expect gracefull - non tourret - movements and full customizability of the sensitivity and the range of commands/programs responding to gestures.
well if someone walks past your seat and triggers it, or you lean back and it gets triggered accidentally, thats more what i ment, how annoying would that be? VERY IMO
a cool idea none the less, im afraid i just cant see how it becomes EASY.. do i mouse with my Right hand and wave my left to invoke stuff, as well as use my left for key shortcuts? or lift my Right hand to invoke them, thus taking my hand away from the mouse (my primary input) it would get confusing... how many theramin players can you name?
there was a thread a while ago about the imac getting a touch screen and some people nearly had a fit about how THAT wouldnt work because they might have to lift their hand to a screen to press a button they could actually SEE... so "gestures" being even more free form than pressing an onscreen button or link, might well send those same users into a blind panic
has some wonderful possibilities though eg in education
I did convince my girlfriend I need a macbook for work soon
oh you DO you DO!! tell her we said so
I did read some of that thread. I'm relatively new to Macs so I don't pretend to know what knowledge navigator is
Knowledge Navigator here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Navigator
Here is the original movie produced by apple in 1987 http://www.bu.edu/jlengel/kn65kfs.mov
The time was supposed to be 2010 for the device we are almost there and you can see the basics with ical integration, google, spotlight, addressbook, ichat, ichat answering machine, speech recognition. All that is left is the Apple-ness bringing all of these technologies together.
I wonder if this will be some of the secret features in leopard.
Sure, for the first six months or so people will whine about the uselessness for the new eye-candy. But then they will start to expect it and rely on the features some of that "uselessness" brings.
- Jasen.
Also, I ask this over here as well, wouldn't it be nice to ask your computer what the weather is, what the current stock price of AAPL stock is, to see if Joe Schmoe is on iChat right now, or whatever without having to change applications? That kind of interface I could see as being "Top Secret".
Hell, if my cell phone can handle voice activated commands without me having to program it in, there is no reason why my Mac can't do that as well.
It is a short jump from Dashboard and webclip.
*New Fully-Unified Sexy UI
*iLife & iWork '07 included.
*Fully Bootable ZFS
*It'll be free
*New Finder
*New Fully-Unified Sexy UI
*iLife & iWork '07 included.
*Fully Bootable ZFS
*It'll be free
wont be free
and wont have iLife & iWork included
but ZFS would be a great step REALLY REALLY {shudder} good!
i think, somewhat sadly the UI is a given.. ill be sad to see Aqua go, i like it
what i was really hopeing for in this thread was some kind of "WOW why havent they done that YEARS ago" thing like we all felt when we saw "Time Machine" a "Yeah that just makes sense" type, top secret thingumyjig.
you can tell im in technical mode here
Very, very likely:
- A refreshed UI (Illuminous?). (I've a sneaking suspicion the current teaser on Apple.com's home page is in fact, rather mischievously, a extreme close-up of the new UI -- the Apple in the Apple menu in particular -- but that's just a wild hunch.)
- An updated Finder, and a vastly enhanced Spotlight UI.
Possible (who knows?):
- A bevy of UI enhancements, including Dock, Exposé, and notification updates.
- A Google Earth-like maps application, with GPS features.
- Enhanced speech recognition
- An advanced supplemental gestural UI that utilizes Macs' built-in iSights
- A built-in telephony/VoIP app that integrates with Address Book & iChat.
Quite unlikely:
- A radical new UI that breaks with the WIMP model.
- ZFS as the default file system, or anything but a formatting option (for the moment).
- Themes.
- Something that looks anything like Vista.
- A refreshed UI (Illuminous?). (I've a sneaking suspicion the current teaser on Apple.com's home page is in fact, rather mischievously, a extreme close-up of the new UI -- the Apple in the Apple menu in particular -- but that's just a wild hunch.)
That sounds a lot like Apple. I can really see that happening, actually.
I think a new feature of Leopard will be tongue operated UIs. Just activate your iSight camera, stick out your tongue, twirl it around, drool some, and you're on your way.
oh kay
I believe a lot of work will have been done in the guts of OS X which we won't see, but will be able to appreciate to some degree - especially in the area of speed. Probably a bit of work preparing for 10.6 as well - just for the hell of it.
One interesting potential is if they can blend core image into the GUI in some way. Won't work for the older Macs, but could be wild on newer Macs. (I actually hope core image is worked into iPhoto at a minimum.)
A very small and stupid wish of a new feature; more languages for the dictionary application. Shouldn't be that hard, and it is prepared for it. So just bring it on. Or at least offer other languages for download or something.
If you look in the Application Library, you will find an Oxford American Dictionary and Oxford American Thesaurus, both with the .dict extension.
I looked around for some dictionaries with that extension on Google, but it appears they don't exist. This sort of thing has huge potential though, at least in my opinion, You would be able to theoretically download Dictionaries for Dictionary.app making it more extensible. Here's to hoping for Dictionary Downloads in Leopard
Sebastian
If you look in the Application Library, you will find an Oxford American Dictionary and Oxford American Thesaurus, both with the .dict extension.
I looked around for some dictionaries with that extension on Google, but it appears they don't exist. This sort of thing has huge potential though, at least in my opinion, You would be able to theoretically download Dictionaries for Dictionary.app making it more extensible. Here's to hoping for Dictionary Downloads in Leopard
Sebastian
wow didnt know this was so sparse in support! at the rate the throw apple loops jam packs out (or whatever their called) which you would imagine are MORE time intensive to prepare than dictionaries, of course im assumeing most of the work has already been done or is freely avalible in a different format.
Hey, looks are really important. You have to look at it all day, you know.
nicely put.
ZFS will be incredibly important because I think that the extensibility of the system allows for the storage of video and photos and tunes. The iTV will serve and be able to find the content in both directions from any computer on the network. Probably this functionality will find itself onto the ipod.
But that aside, we are still left with a 1970's interface. I think natural language and gesturing will provide the basis of an operating system's interface. The question is when?
Will 10.5 actually have any of these features. What super secret features did we wait for the release of Vista to find out about?
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But that aside, we are still left with a 1970's interface. I think natural language and gesturing will provide the basis of an operating system's interface. The question is when?
Natural language is terribly inefficient and error-prone.