The MacBU is jointly sited in Mountain View (in the valley) and Redmond (at the Death Star) so that argument's a tie. Apparently like Google, they consider it a good thing to keep their teams all over the place. I suspect shirking from managers has a role in this in reality!
Anyway, I actually feel for the Mac devs at MS. Their apps used to be pretty good, and still are of course the lingua franca for file exchange. But developing in Carbon must suck and they really must reconsider that after this version. Cocoa in Xcode is where its at and where it's all going to be. Considering the farce surrounding their dumping visual basic in Mac Office (which really screws a bunch of people as talked about in comments here) and the recent antics going on with the .docx etc. converter for Office 2007 files, you'd think they realise that their long term struggle is only ever going to get worse if they keep going where they have been.
Office 2007 is an advance on the Windows side, but what I'm seeing of Word 2008 at least does not give me much hope. I do want to give the MacBU the benefit of the doubt though, because having tried Pages with some real life work, my faith in iWork is far from complete. Apple's typical secrecy around its development really doesn't help. And for all you may or may not think about MS's style of UI and so forth, their apps are going to be used professionally in a way that Apple's iWork is not for a few years to come.
Nice ideas about a file database / iTunes inspired office app by the way. A code shop out there could be well advised to take that maxim and create their own up to date, robust, and responsively developed productivity app. I know a few prospective buyers including myself. For such an old genre, there's a world still left for improvement!
I got used to Word on a Mac 20 years ago when I was writing my thesis with Word 5.1a.
I enjoy the general look, familiarity and usability of Word, still present 20 years later. In fact, I enjoy writing with Word so much that I can't get the same pleasure with OpenOffice, although it's free.
There is a place for software that you have to pay for, especially if the price is reasonable. In that regard, I appreciate the teacher/student edition, and special offers where you can bundle Microsoft Office products with the purchase of a new Mac.
As a comparison, Microsoft Word alone was costing $600 in 1989. It was really too expensive then, but revised prices and special offers make it much more affordable nowadays.
Thanks Microsoft for the good work and reasonable prices.
I got used to Word on a Mac 20 years ago when I was writing my thesis with Word 5.1a.
I enjoy the general look, familiarity and usability of Word, still present 20 years later. In fact, I enjoy writing with Word so much that I can't get the same pleasure with OpenOffice, although it's free.
There is a place for software that you have to pay for, especially if the price is reasonable. In that regard, I appreciate the teacher/student edition, and special offers where you can bundle Microsoft Office products with the purchase of a new Mac.
As a comparison, Microsoft Word alone was costing $600 in 1989. It was really too expensive then, but revised prices and special offers make it much more affordable nowadays.
Thanks Microsoft for the good work and reasonable prices.
I got used to Word on a Mac 20 years ago when I was writing my thesis with Word 5.1a.
I enjoy the general look, familiarity and usability of Word, still present 20 years later. In fact, I enjoy writing with Word so much that I can't get the same pleasure with OpenOffice, although it's free.
There is a place for software that you have to pay for, especially if the price is reasonable. In that regard, I appreciate the teacher/student edition, and special offers where you can bundle Microsoft Office products with the purchase of a new Mac.
As a comparison, Microsoft Word alone was costing $600 in 1989. It was really too expensive then, but revised prices and special offers make it much more affordable nowadays.
Thanks Microsoft for the good work and reasonable prices.
Really? Or is it "Merci, Uncle Bill...merci!". "Heille mon ami, t'aimes ça les pétates?"
I thought Microsoft deserved a little praise for their excellent software, if only to counter the general negativity I read in previous posts.
Not everything Microsoft does is evil. And not everything Apple does deserves praise for either quality or fair pricing.
I guess that I don't fall for the Reality Distortion Field. I'm inclined to believe that 95% of people can't be wrong. They just put their money where they see value.
The pin stripping is HORID. Get with it Microsoft!
There is no pin stripping you moron!!! Its because the picture was taken with a camera of the screen so the camera is picking up on the lines of the pixels.
Idiots stop trying to pick up on every little thing just so you have a fucking piss and moan, JEEZ!!!!!
To be fair to ouragan, I thought Office v.X and Office 2004 were both pretty decent products, although Office 2004 did start to piss me off with the little compatibility check thing and their desire for numerous alerts and palettes. Plus, if I create something in Pages, can I open it on a PC with Word, because I didn't think pages let you save as a .doc.
Of course, after looking at Office 2008, I was utterly terrified by the interface.
There is no pin stripping you moron!!! Its because the picture was taken with a camera of the screen so the camera is picking up on the lines of the pixels.
Idiots stop trying to pick up on every little thing just so you have a fucking piss and moan, JEEZ!!!!!
You idiot. That is clearly pin stripping. Look at the desktop! Not pinstriped.
Through Office 2008, Microsoft continues to willfully interact with (and therby invest in) the Mac community though its well-thought-out and meaningful, however limited, contributions in software and services.
Yeah. Office 2004 was decent, if somewhat limited. Office hasn't really improved much since 97. In fact Word 5.1 had a great interface. It just worked. This new version looks truly awful. And again, I'm a fan of Mac Office in general. I think it's probably intentional, and marching orders from above the MacBU. This is probably the last version of Mac Office anyway. It already lacks VBA. By the time this new Office comes out, NeoOffice + iWork will be enough to compensate. NeoOffice/OpenOffice is really coming along.
Plus, if I create something in Pages, can I open it on a PC with Word, because I didn't think pages let you save as a .doc.
Pages does let you save in doc format. However, if it is an moderately complex document, it will not look as intended. I simply styled document will convert fine though.
Yeah. Office 2004 was decent, if somewhat limited. Office hasn't really improved much since 97. In fact Word 5.1 had a great interface. It just worked. This new version looks truly awful. And again, I'm a fan of Mac Office in general. I think it's probably intentional, and marching orders from above the MacBU. This is probably the last version of Mac Office anyway. It already lacks VBA. By the time this new Office comes out, NeoOffice + iWork will be enough to compensate. NeoOffice/OpenOffice is really coming along.
Well it's Office... What exactly did you expect it to do? The point of Office isn't being best of breed, innovative, or to do anything special actually except remain 100% compatible with Office.
The only reason I ever use the mess is because nearly everyone I have to work with dumps Word and Excel files on me and I really have neither the time nor patience to play with NeoOffice in the hopes it will mostly work. Pages is very nice, I use it personally all the time, but once again the whole point of Office is... it's Office. that's about it. How much Micro$oft charges for this whole mess, I personally don't really care, every corporation I've ever worked with has a site license and throws copies of it at anybody who walks through their doors and has to work with them.
Personally I'm expecting very little so I doubt I'll be dissapointed. The only thing I'd really like for it to be is a universal binary, it's a little stupid when an old PowerBook G4 still launches the whole mess faster than a MBP C2D 2.40GHz.
Give me a UB of this mess and update it once in a while to remain compatible and that's about all I expect. I don't really expect to ever see another Office for the Mac after this one, hopefully it won't be necessary, Pages is coming along quite nicely. Of course I spend most of my day living in CS3, which is where I make my living and if I needed Excel to work right, I'd probably be running Excel under Parallels.
As in: "Not formatted screen captures from the machine we are running Office on, but rather digital snapshots of the screen of the computer running Office that we got close enough to photograph."
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Wrong.
Silicon Valley.
Try again!
You don't give him the answer and THEN say try again!
Anyway, I actually feel for the Mac devs at MS. Their apps used to be pretty good, and still are of course the lingua franca for file exchange. But developing in Carbon must suck and they really must reconsider that after this version. Cocoa in Xcode is where its at and where it's all going to be. Considering the farce surrounding their dumping visual basic in Mac Office (which really screws a bunch of people as talked about in comments here) and the recent antics going on with the .docx etc. converter for Office 2007 files, you'd think they realise that their long term struggle is only ever going to get worse if they keep going where they have been.
Office 2007 is an advance on the Windows side, but what I'm seeing of Word 2008 at least does not give me much hope. I do want to give the MacBU the benefit of the doubt though, because having tried Pages with some real life work, my faith in iWork is far from complete. Apple's typical secrecy around its development really doesn't help. And for all you may or may not think about MS's style of UI and so forth, their apps are going to be used professionally in a way that Apple's iWork is not for a few years to come.
Nice ideas about a file database / iTunes inspired office app by the way. A code shop out there could be well advised to take that maxim and create their own up to date, robust, and responsively developed productivity app. I know a few prospective buyers including myself. For such an old genre, there's a world still left for improvement!
The pin stripping is HORID. Get with it Microsoft!
I got used to Word on a Mac 20 years ago when I was writing my thesis with Word 5.1a.
I enjoy the general look, familiarity and usability of Word, still present 20 years later. In fact, I enjoy writing with Word so much that I can't get the same pleasure with OpenOffice, although it's free.
There is a place for software that you have to pay for, especially if the price is reasonable. In that regard, I appreciate the teacher/student edition, and special offers where you can bundle Microsoft Office products with the purchase of a new Mac.
As a comparison, Microsoft Word alone was costing $600 in 1989. It was really too expensive then, but revised prices and special offers make it much more affordable nowadays.
Thanks Microsoft for the good work and reasonable prices.
Can't wait to use Word 2008.
I got used to Word on a Mac 20 years ago when I was writing my thesis with Word 5.1a.
I enjoy the general look, familiarity and usability of Word, still present 20 years later. In fact, I enjoy writing with Word so much that I can't get the same pleasure with OpenOffice, although it's free.
There is a place for software that you have to pay for, especially if the price is reasonable. In that regard, I appreciate the teacher/student edition, and special offers where you can bundle Microsoft Office products with the purchase of a new Mac.
As a comparison, Microsoft Word alone was costing $600 in 1989. It was really too expensive then, but revised prices and special offers make it much more affordable nowadays.
Thanks Microsoft for the good work and reasonable prices.
Can't wait to use Word 2008.
I got used to Word on a Mac 20 years ago when I was writing my thesis with Word 5.1a.
I enjoy the general look, familiarity and usability of Word, still present 20 years later. In fact, I enjoy writing with Word so much that I can't get the same pleasure with OpenOffice, although it's free.
There is a place for software that you have to pay for, especially if the price is reasonable. In that regard, I appreciate the teacher/student edition, and special offers where you can bundle Microsoft Office products with the purchase of a new Mac.
As a comparison, Microsoft Word alone was costing $600 in 1989. It was really too expensive then, but revised prices and special offers make it much more affordable nowadays.
Thanks Microsoft for the good work and reasonable prices.
Really? Or is it "Merci, Uncle Bill...merci!". "Heille mon ami, t'aimes ça les pétates?"
Not everything Microsoft does is evil. And not everything Apple does deserves praise for either quality or fair pricing.
I guess that I don't fall for the Reality Distortion Field. I'm inclined to believe that 95% of people can't be wrong. They just put their money where they see value.
AHHHHHHHH!
The pin stripping is HORID. Get with it Microsoft!
There is no pin stripping you moron!!! Its because the picture was taken with a camera of the screen so the camera is picking up on the lines of the pixels.
Idiots stop trying to pick up on every little thing just so you have a fucking piss and moan, JEEZ!!!!!
II guess that I don't fall for the Reality Distortion Field. I'm inclined to believe that 95% of people can't be wrong.
Insults like that won't get you anywhere here.
Of course, after looking at Office 2008, I was utterly terrified by the interface.
There is no pin stripping you moron!!! Its because the picture was taken with a camera of the screen so the camera is picking up on the lines of the pixels.
Idiots stop trying to pick up on every little thing just so you have a fucking piss and moan, JEEZ!!!!!
You idiot. That is clearly pin stripping. Look at the desktop! Not pinstriped.
...
How would you describe it?
Quick-and-dirty
Plus, if I create something in Pages, can I open it on a PC with Word, because I didn't think pages let you save as a .doc.
Pages does let you save in doc format. However, if it is an moderately complex document, it will not look as intended. I simply styled document will convert fine though.
Looks like MS is getting with the program and using Apple's Installer. This is great news for ARD sers such as myself. Yay!
Yeah. Office 2004 was decent, if somewhat limited. Office hasn't really improved much since 97. In fact Word 5.1 had a great interface. It just worked. This new version looks truly awful. And again, I'm a fan of Mac Office in general. I think it's probably intentional, and marching orders from above the MacBU. This is probably the last version of Mac Office anyway. It already lacks VBA. By the time this new Office comes out, NeoOffice + iWork will be enough to compensate. NeoOffice/OpenOffice is really coming along.
Well it's Office... What exactly did you expect it to do? The point of Office isn't being best of breed, innovative, or to do anything special actually except remain 100% compatible with Office.
The only reason I ever use the mess is because nearly everyone I have to work with dumps Word and Excel files on me and I really have neither the time nor patience to play with NeoOffice in the hopes it will mostly work. Pages is very nice, I use it personally all the time, but once again the whole point of Office is... it's Office. that's about it. How much Micro$oft charges for this whole mess, I personally don't really care, every corporation I've ever worked with has a site license and throws copies of it at anybody who walks through their doors and has to work with them.
Personally I'm expecting very little so I doubt I'll be dissapointed. The only thing I'd really like for it to be is a universal binary, it's a little stupid when an old PowerBook G4 still launches the whole mess faster than a MBP C2D 2.40GHz.
Give me a UB of this mess and update it once in a while to remain compatible and that's about all I expect. I don't really expect to ever see another Office for the Mac after this one, hopefully it won't be necessary, Pages is coming along quite nicely. Of course I spend most of my day living in CS3, which is where I make my living and if I needed Excel to work right, I'd probably be running Excel under Parallels.
Yeah, Quick and Dirty? I didn't get it either....
Yeah, Quick and Dirty? I didn't get it either....
As in: "Not formatted screen captures from the machine we are running Office on, but rather digital snapshots of the screen of the computer running Office that we got close enough to photograph."