Just in: AirportExtremes and AppleTVs will start showing up in Australia sometime in July 2007.... Nah, just mucking around. We'll probably see stock in 2 weeks. AppleStore Online Australia is saying "Estimated Ship: 3-4 weeks".
I don't know how well AppleTV will do here, AFAIK the only iTunes Store content would be music and music videos. Other than that, podcasts, I guess. For the more adventurous there'll be other iPod-converted content, and maybe Elgato/Miglia TV-recorded stuff. Or maybe home movies from iMovieHD synced into iTunes/AppleTV.
Well, my order of an Airport Extreme in NZ (from the brand new NZ Apple Store) has shipped - this has to be the earliest arrival of an Apple product in NZ on record...
And: Apple Inc. are a rather large company with many employees. Apple is releasing several new products this year....
It's all about context - are you referring to the legal entity or the collective group of people?
And: Apple Inc. are a rather large company with many employees. Apple is releasing several new products this year....
It's all about context - are you referring to the legal entity or the collective group of people?
I would have put those two examples the other way around. Apple Inc is a rather large company with many employees. And... Apple are releasing several new products this year...
I believe the rule here is that if one is referring to a characteristic of Apple (a single entity) then you'd use 'is'. If you are referring to achievements (for example) of its people, then it would be correct to use 'are'.
Perhaps those of us that haven't should update their AppleInsider profiles to at least show which Country we're from so we can 'calibrate' ourselves to each other's use of English?
Dropping the "the" is also interesting. "Going to hospital". We would say "going to the hospital".
But, we would say "Going to college". On the other hand, we would say "Going to the university", when they would say "Going to university".
It seems as though we have a different way of being specific, rather than general.
When they drop the "the" is it because they mean a specific place, even though it isn't stated? We often seem to ignore that.
Perhaps it helps here to say that in the UK: 'Going to university' refers to attending a (any) university (presumably the same usage as you meant with your 'going to college' example; whereas the phrase 'going to the university' would refer to a specific one (even though it hasn't been named in the phrase, it would be defined by the context of what had gone before).
Are you folks going to move this dicsussion elsewhere, or is I going to have to call for the moderator?
Just kidding. This story is a bit lame anyhow. Isn't it just confirming the release dates we already knew?
I think there is a good degree of consensus that the interest in the cultural/linguistic issues that have arisen somewhat outweighs the interest in this story!
I expect Apple to have a higher than usual number of returns on these once people realize that a lot of video from outside the iTunes Store won't play on it, or that it won't hook up to their TV, etc. It was a great idea, but Apple really fell through on the specs.
According to this, Elgato already have a means of enabling the AppleTV to access EyeTV content.
I think there is a good degree of consensus that the interest in the cultural/linguistic issues that have arisen somewhat outweighs the interest in this story!
Ironically, there was already a thread on this subject when the story was posted. Feel free to burry this thread in linguistics.
Perhaps it helps here to say that in the UK: 'Going to university' refers to attending a (any) university (presumably the same usage as you meant with your 'going to college' example; whereas the phrase 'going to the university' would refer to a specific one (even though it hasn't been named in the phrase, it would be defined by the context of what had gone before).
What's a good AppleInsider thread without our off-topic tangents. But yeah Sunbow, totally. [Check out my naughty use of California-esque slange and starting a sentence with "But"[ ... I agree "Going to university" in Australia means enrolling or attending a university-level course/degree. I would use "I am going to the university" when I was referring to walking or taking the bus to the campus nearby. Similarly in Australia the Central Business District is referred to generically to "the city", as in "I'm going to the city in the afternoon", whereas some places in the US one might say (?) "I'm going downtown".
Well anyway yeah I think I've exhausted my input with this whole linguistics bruhaha. It can be quite mentally taxing. The pragmatic approach I'm taking is, while these discussions have been fun (thanks everyone for your input), either you are a linguistics academic at uni/college or you are somehow involved in editing or sub-editing broadcast print, web, TV, or other media.
I think I'm done with English, as in, whatevs. I'd like to if I have memory and cognitive resources for such learning, try and get to grips with Mandarin, Spanish, Hindi... maybe someday. \
Well, my order of an Airport Extreme in NZ (from the brand new NZ Apple Store) has shipped - this has to be the earliest arrival of an Apple product in NZ on record...
Fully, mate. Apple Oz and Apple NZ are showing 3-4 weeks. Let us know on this thread when you get it physically at your door ....!!! Feb 2 today, let's see when it arrives...! w00000t 802.11n, Mac-style.
I have an older first gen Intel Core Duo iMac 17". I know it won't have the wireless n built in but what about any new Airport Cards to upgrade my old system. Why have we not heard about this. I mean I have a great machine and it is all enclosed and everything that is not enclosed is either wireless or connected through the network wireless. So please Apple start talking about the new Airport Express Card to upgrade older iMac's, Macbooks, iBooks, MacBook Pro's and PowerBooks. Please Please Please don't leave us with third party external devices to get the 802.11n standard. This would be very un-Apple.
I don't think you will have an option to upgrade. Since the iMac is a desktop computer anyway, you could actually just plug in via Ethernet to a 802.11n router, Apple-made or otherwise.
If you have a desktop computer, I find it best for the router and DSL/Cable modem to be right there, connected via Ethernet.
Of course, your desktop computer may be in a different location to where the main phone/cable line is or you may have other desktops. But it still applies, you just need a 802.11n router to "bridge" (or whatever the term is really called) to your "main" 802.11n network. So you might have, say, two AirportExtreme-802.11n routers in your home.
Or, to your chagrin, you could get a simple third party 802.11n "access point" (not router, hence cheaper), connected via Ethernet to your iMac. Why would this be so bad? Apart from the annoyance of having a dongle "hanging out" of the beautiful iMac. .This "access point", if it supports GigabitEthernet and 802.11n-5ghz "double-wide channels" would be faster than using an AirportExtreme-802.11n connected to your iMac via 10/100mbit/sec Ethernet.
Edit: Although if you have two "bridged" (WDS - Wireless Distribution System) AirportExtreme-802.11n routers in your home, in this way, you could ensure high-quality high-speed 100mbps or so throughout your home/ small office.
What's a good AppleInsider thread without our off-topic tangents. But yeah Sunbow, totally. [Check out my naughty use of California-esque slange and starting a sentence with "But"[ ... I agree "Going to university" in Australia means enrolling or attending a university-level course/degree. I would use "I am going to the university" when I was referring to walking or taking the bus to the campus nearby. Similarly in Australia the Central Business District is referred to generically to "the city", as in "I'm going to the city in the afternoon", whereas some places in the US one might say (?) "I'm going downtown".
Well anyway yeah I think I've exhausted my input with this whole linguistics bruhaha. It can be quite mentally taxing. The pragmatic approach I'm taking is, while these discussions have been fun (thanks everyone for your input), either you are a linguistics academic at uni/college or you are somehow involved in editing or sub-editing broadcast print, web, TV, or other media.
I think I'm done with English, as in, whatevs. I'd like to if I have memory and cognitive resources for such learning, try and get to grips with Mandarin, Spanish, Hindi... maybe someday. \
When IN New York City, but not in Manhattan, people say "I'm going to the City" to mean going to Manhattan.
And, yes, I start sentences with "But". It's considered to be proper.
But, I also start sentences with "And", which is also considered to be proper.
When IN New York City, but not in Manhattan, people say "I'm going to the City" to mean going to Manhattan.
And, yes, I start sentences with "But". It's considered to be proper.
But, I also start sentences with "And", which is also considered to be proper.
All I know is at high school in Singapore and Australia whenever I started a sentence with And or But in an English essay or assignment, I'd get marks taken off
Still I was pretty much Straight As on English almost all the way through high school....!!! Yeeeeaahhhh biaaatch.....! So much has changed. I used to be a well-mannered, goody-goody kid. Now look at me.
All I know is at high school in Singapore and Australia whenever I started a sentence with And or But in an English essay or assignment, I'd get marks taken off
Still I was pretty much Straight As on English almost all the way through high school....!!! Yeeeeaahhhh biaaatch.....! So much has changed. I used to be a well-mannered, goody-goody kid. Now look at me.
I had ordered one from the online Apple but they were too slow. I just picked up mine at the Apple store in Tyson's Corner, VA. They had several but four where sold in the 5 minutes I was in the store.
I usually wait but my old Airport Extreme is starting to get a little flakey...
SMCWEBT-G UK EZ Connect? g Wireless Ethernet Bridge
In the UK they go for under £30 each. They've been great. WEP, WPA and WDS supported even. 108Mbps Turbo-G speeds too although one of them is attached to an SE/30's 10Mbit ethernet card
They're an absolute bargain. I've got one extending a network through 2 floors and a gritstone wall.
SMCWEBT-G UK EZ Connect? g Wireless Ethernet Bridge
In the UK they go for under £30 each. They've been great. WEP, WPA and WDS supported even. 108Mbps Turbo-G speeds too although one of them is attached to an SE/30's 10Mbit ethernet card
They're an absolute bargain. I've got one extending a network through 2 floors and a gritstone wall.
It's a sedimentary rock like sandstone but with bigger harder particles in it.
The industrial revolution happened around here partly because of the local geology and partly because of the weather. We've big gritstone hills with lots of water flowing down them because it rains a lot. Where I am in the Pennines is just about the wettest place in the country. The high rainfall level off the hills can turn water wheels. The hard gritstone just happens to be perfect for milling. Add the two together and you've the start of the industrial revolution.
My house is built from gritstone. It's about 180 years old and the walls are between 30 and 45cm thick solid stone. It makes sighting wireless networking hardware fun and you go through drill bits a lot if you've got to put cables in.
My fireplace is not too dissimilar to that although that's finished to a higher standard. Much of my house is much coarser stonework. I've a church arch in my kitchen for instance that's about 300 year old since the builders reused bits from other buildings.
I had ordered one from the online Apple but they were too slow. I just picked up mine at the Apple store in Tyson's Corner, VA. They had several but four where sold in the 5 minutes I was in the store...... I usually wait but my old Airport Extreme is starting to get a little flakey...
You should be able to use them as bridges (technically "repeaters" according to Wiki) (WDS*), at the full 802.11n-only 100-300Mbit/sec @ 5ghz "double channel bonding" (wide channel operation) mode, for max speed.
Otherwise you can use it as bridges (repeaters), at 802.11b/g/n up to 100Mbit/sec @ 2.4ghz mode.
Depends on your clients connecting to the network.
Comments
Just in: AirportExtremes and AppleTVs will start showing up in Australia sometime in July 2007.... Nah, just mucking around. We'll probably see stock in 2 weeks. AppleStore Online Australia is saying "Estimated Ship: 3-4 weeks".
I don't know how well AppleTV will do here, AFAIK the only iTunes Store content would be music and music videos. Other than that, podcasts, I guess. For the more adventurous there'll be other iPod-converted content, and maybe Elgato/Miglia TV-recorded stuff. Or maybe home movies from iMovieHD synced into iTunes/AppleTV.
Well, my order of an Airport Extreme in NZ (from the brand new NZ Apple Store) has shipped - this has to be the earliest arrival of an Apple product in NZ on record...
And: Apple Inc. are a rather large company with many employees. Apple is releasing several new products this year....
It's all about context - are you referring to the legal entity or the collective group of people?
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And: Apple Inc. are a rather large company with many employees. Apple is releasing several new products this year....
It's all about context - are you referring to the legal entity or the collective group of people?
I would have put those two examples the other way around. Apple Inc is a rather large company with many employees. And... Apple are releasing several new products this year...
I believe the rule here is that if one is referring to a characteristic of Apple (a single entity) then you'd use 'is'. If you are referring to achievements (for example) of its people, then it would be correct to use 'are'.
Perhaps those of us that haven't should update their AppleInsider profiles to at least show which Country we're from so we can 'calibrate' ourselves to each other's use of English?
Just kidding. This story is a bit lame anyhow. Isn't it just confirming the release dates we already knew?
Dropping the "the" is also interesting. "Going to hospital". We would say "going to the hospital".
But, we would say "Going to college". On the other hand, we would say "Going to the university", when they would say "Going to university".
It seems as though we have a different way of being specific, rather than general.
When they drop the "the" is it because they mean a specific place, even though it isn't stated? We often seem to ignore that.
Perhaps it helps here to say that in the UK: 'Going to university' refers to attending a (any) university (presumably the same usage as you meant with your 'going to college' example; whereas the phrase 'going to the university' would refer to a specific one (even though it hasn't been named in the phrase, it would be defined by the context of what had gone before).
Are you folks going to move this dicsussion elsewhere, or is I going to have to call for the moderator?
Just kidding. This story is a bit lame anyhow. Isn't it just confirming the release dates we already knew?
I think there is a good degree of consensus that the interest in the cultural/linguistic issues that have arisen somewhat outweighs the interest in this story!
I expect Apple to have a higher than usual number of returns on these once people realize that a lot of video from outside the iTunes Store won't play on it, or that it won't hook up to their TV, etc. It was a great idea, but Apple really fell through on the specs.
According to this, Elgato already have a means of enabling the AppleTV to access EyeTV content.
http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file...9c335f546f935d
I think there is a good degree of consensus that the interest in the cultural/linguistic issues that have arisen somewhat outweighs the interest in this story!
Ironically, there was already a thread on this subject when the story was posted. Feel free to burry this thread in linguistics.
AirPort Extreme Base Station shipping
Perhaps it helps here to say that in the UK: 'Going to university' refers to attending a (any) university (presumably the same usage as you meant with your 'going to college' example; whereas the phrase 'going to the university' would refer to a specific one (even though it hasn't been named in the phrase, it would be defined by the context of what had gone before).
What's a good AppleInsider thread without our off-topic tangents. But yeah Sunbow, totally. [Check out my naughty use of California-esque slange and starting a sentence with "But"[ ... I agree "Going to university" in Australia means enrolling or attending a university-level course/degree. I would use "I am going to the university" when I was referring to walking or taking the bus to the campus nearby. Similarly in Australia the Central Business District is referred to generically to "the city", as in "I'm going to the city in the afternoon", whereas some places in the US one might say (?) "I'm going downtown".
Well anyway yeah I think I've exhausted my input with this whole linguistics bruhaha. It can be quite mentally taxing. The pragmatic approach I'm taking is, while these discussions have been fun (thanks everyone for your input), either you are a linguistics academic at uni/college or you are somehow involved in editing or sub-editing broadcast print, web, TV, or other media.
I think I'm done with English, as in, whatevs. I'd like to if I have memory and cognitive resources for such learning, try and get to grips with Mandarin, Spanish, Hindi... maybe someday.
Well, my order of an Airport Extreme in NZ (from the brand new NZ Apple Store) has shipped - this has to be the earliest arrival of an Apple product in NZ on record...
Fully, mate. Apple Oz and Apple NZ are showing 3-4 weeks. Let us know on this thread when you get it physically at your door ....!!! Feb 2 today, let's see when it arrives...! w00000t 802.11n, Mac-style.
I have an older first gen Intel Core Duo iMac 17". I know it won't have the wireless n built in but what about any new Airport Cards to upgrade my old system. Why have we not heard about this. I mean I have a great machine and it is all enclosed and everything that is not enclosed is either wireless or connected through the network wireless. So please Apple start talking about the new Airport Express Card to upgrade older iMac's, Macbooks, iBooks, MacBook Pro's and PowerBooks. Please Please Please don't leave us with third party external devices to get the 802.11n standard. This would be very un-Apple.
I don't think you will have an option to upgrade. Since the iMac is a desktop computer anyway, you could actually just plug in via Ethernet to a 802.11n router, Apple-made or otherwise.
If you have a desktop computer, I find it best for the router and DSL/Cable modem to be right there, connected via Ethernet.
Of course, your desktop computer may be in a different location to where the main phone/cable line is or you may have other desktops. But it still applies, you just need a 802.11n router to "bridge" (or whatever the term is really called) to your "main" 802.11n network. So you might have, say, two AirportExtreme-802.11n routers in your home.
Or, to your chagrin, you could get a simple third party 802.11n "access point" (not router, hence cheaper), connected via Ethernet to your iMac. Why would this be so bad? Apart from the annoyance of having a dongle "hanging out" of the beautiful iMac.
Edit: Although if you have two "bridged" (WDS - Wireless Distribution System) AirportExtreme-802.11n routers in your home, in this way, you could ensure high-quality high-speed 100mbps or so throughout your home/ small office.
What's a good AppleInsider thread without our off-topic tangents. But yeah Sunbow, totally. [Check out my naughty use of California-esque slange and starting a sentence with "But"[ ... I agree "Going to university" in Australia means enrolling or attending a university-level course/degree. I would use "I am going to the university" when I was referring to walking or taking the bus to the campus nearby. Similarly in Australia the Central Business District is referred to generically to "the city", as in "I'm going to the city in the afternoon", whereas some places in the US one might say (?) "I'm going downtown".
Well anyway yeah I think I've exhausted my input with this whole linguistics bruhaha. It can be quite mentally taxing. The pragmatic approach I'm taking is, while these discussions have been fun (thanks everyone for your input), either you are a linguistics academic at uni/college or you are somehow involved in editing or sub-editing broadcast print, web, TV, or other media.
I think I'm done with English, as in, whatevs. I'd like to if I have memory and cognitive resources for such learning, try and get to grips with Mandarin, Spanish, Hindi... maybe someday.
When IN New York City, but not in Manhattan, people say "I'm going to the City" to mean going to Manhattan.
And, yes, I start sentences with "But". It's considered to be proper.
But, I also start sentences with "And", which is also considered to be proper.
When IN New York City, but not in Manhattan, people say "I'm going to the City" to mean going to Manhattan.
And, yes, I start sentences with "But". It's considered to be proper.
But, I also start sentences with "And", which is also considered to be proper.
All I know is at high school in Singapore and Australia whenever I started a sentence with And or But in an English essay or assignment, I'd get marks taken off
Still I was pretty much Straight As on English almost all the way through high school....!!! Yeeeeaahhhh biaaatch.....! So much has changed. I used to be a well-mannered, goody-goody kid. Now look at me.
All I know is at high school in Singapore and Australia whenever I started a sentence with And or But in an English essay or assignment, I'd get marks taken off
Still I was pretty much Straight As on English almost all the way through high school....!!! Yeeeeaahhhh biaaatch.....! So much has changed. I used to be a well-mannered, goody-goody kid. Now look at me.
But, you are so fun!
But, you are so fun!
Heh. And teh sexayier. Girls do like the badder boyz.
I just received a notice from Apple that my order for 2 AE have shipped! I ordered them about a week after they were released.
Do they work as bridges? If so I might get some.
Vinea
I usually wait but my old Airport Extreme is starting to get a little flakey...
Do they work as bridges? If so I might get some.
Vinea
I've got a couple of these...
http://smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewP...scid=&pid=1476
SMCWEBT-G UK EZ Connect? g Wireless Ethernet Bridge
In the UK they go for under £30 each. They've been great. WEP, WPA and WDS supported even. 108Mbps Turbo-G speeds too although one of them is attached to an SE/30's 10Mbit ethernet card
They're an absolute bargain. I've got one extending a network through 2 floors and a gritstone wall.
I've got a couple of these...
http://smc.com/index.cfm?event=viewP...scid=&pid=1476
SMCWEBT-G UK EZ Connect? g Wireless Ethernet Bridge
In the UK they go for under £30 each. They've been great. WEP, WPA and WDS supported even. 108Mbps Turbo-G speeds too although one of them is attached to an SE/30's 10Mbit ethernet card
They're an absolute bargain. I've got one extending a network through 2 floors and a gritstone wall.
Ok, you've done it again!
What is "gritstone?
Ok, you've done it again!
What is "gritstone?
It's a sedimentary rock like sandstone but with bigger harder particles in it.
The industrial revolution happened around here partly because of the local geology and partly because of the weather. We've big gritstone hills with lots of water flowing down them because it rains a lot. Where I am in the Pennines is just about the wettest place in the country. The high rainfall level off the hills can turn water wheels. The hard gritstone just happens to be perfect for milling. Add the two together and you've the start of the industrial revolution.
My house is built from gritstone. It's about 180 years old and the walls are between 30 and 45cm thick solid stone. It makes sighting wireless networking hardware fun and you go through drill bits a lot if you've got to put cables in.
See http://www.stonemason.co.uk/html/body_detail.html
My fireplace is not too dissimilar to that although that's finished to a higher standard. Much of my house is much coarser stonework. I've a church arch in my kitchen for instance that's about 300 year old since the builders reused bits from other buildings.
I had ordered one from the online Apple but they were too slow. I just picked up mine at the Apple store in Tyson's Corner, VA. They had several but four where sold in the 5 minutes I was in the store...... I usually wait but my old Airport Extreme is starting to get a little flakey...
You should be able to use them as bridges (technically "repeaters" according to Wiki) (WDS*), at the full 802.11n-only 100-300Mbit/sec @ 5ghz "double channel bonding" (wide channel operation) mode, for max speed.
Otherwise you can use it as bridges (repeaters), at 802.11b/g/n up to 100Mbit/sec @ 2.4ghz mode.
Depends on your clients connecting to the network.
*Wireless Distribution System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireles...ibution_System