I recently switched to Camino 1.1b, the latest version. It finally allowed me to switch away from Safari.
My main reason for switching was rendering issues. Many websites are optimised for IE, fewer for Firefox/Camino , but even less for Safari. Many websites are plain broken in Safari, at least many european sites are.
Also, things like spell checking, session restore, ad blocking are nice features in the latest Camino. And it is speedy. The only issue I have left is that scrolling is a little better animated in Safari, it feels somehow more smooth, although its not as there is any 'lag' in Camino.
I'm sitting on the fence between Firefox and Camino. I have no idea which to use.
Camino and Firefox fans, please feel free to do your best to sway me in your direction.
I won't consider OmniWeb because I have to pay for it, and it offers no compelling advantages over free browsers.
In my opinion, Safari is inferior in every way to Camino and Firefox. However, I'll give Safari 3.0 an honest try once Leopard comes out since it does seem to have a substantial number of new features.
Opera may be vastly superior to all Mac browsers. However, as much as I tried to like it, the interface is just too alien to me. Again, this is a matter of personal preference.
The reason I'm torn between Firefox and Camino.
Firefox pros:
1) Full extension support, including the del.icio.us plugin.
2) Keyboard shortcuts that make sense, like Control-Tab and F6 to access URL bar.
3) Spell-checking (non-native to Mac dictionary, but I don't care).
4) Superior preferences, including Cookie management, which lets you enter sites to allow cookies.
5) Link to extensions page within menu.
Firefox cons:
1) Slowest browser on Mac
2) Freezing issues, especially with Bookmark Bar bookmarks
3) non-Cocoa app without integration into Mac dictionary and other OS X API's
4) Ugly GUI
5) Inferior bookmark manager with no Bookmark Bar section
Camino pros:
1) Cocoa app
2) Blazing fast
3) Mostly stable
4) Much prettier than Firefox
Camino cons:
1) No spell-checking (to be added in 1.1)
2) Stupid keyboard shortcuts (Control-Option Left and Right for tab scrolling and Command-L instead of F6 for URL address field)
3) Inferior cookie management preferences. I can't enter sites exception sites for cookies. I can only remove them and let them get added automatically. (This is not fixed in 1.1 )
4) Inferior extensions manager and need to search for extensions page. There's no link in the preferences
I'm sure I'm missing out other little details.
Pros of both:
1) Keyboard shortcuts to webpages, like gg {search term} for Google. Safari doesn't have this and Opera's implementation associates it to a one-letter shortcut.
2) Type-ahead find. No other browsers I know of have this.
3) Support for userContent.css content-blocking. Opera's feature, which is GUI driven, is superior to all other browsers, however.
Anyway, you can't accuse me of not having put a lot of thought into this.
i've used all three extensively and as much as i've tried to convince myself otherwise, firefox is the best browser available (for any OS).
i'm confused about your pro/con list. some of them don't make sense. my FF doesn't freeze often, not any more than camino. i have a loaded bookmark bar and have never had that be an issue. i don't think camino is any "prettier" than FF -- and i am an aesthetics guy. i use the Opaque + Clear Tabs theme, and it looks great. i also can't live without my extensions. Showcase Fox gives me an expose-style window for my tabs. customize google for .... customizing google. stop-reload button for combining the stop and reload buttons (have fun getting the camino devs to even consider that idea). i can also store multiple login accounts for a single website -- not possible in camino because it uses keychain. some may see that as a positive, some a negative.
having used both camino and FF on the mac for months each, i don't see "slowest/fastest" browser thing. i just never quit out of Firefox, only close the window. clicking on the icon in the dock gives me a new window when i need one.
i honestly tried to make camino my browser. i used only camino for 3 months, but there were just too many features missing that i had to switch back to firefox.
Camino has some weird things I don't like. Why not have all of the clear personal data items in the same place like firefox does? Instead cookies is on one menu, cache in another, history in another. What the hell?
Also, I can't right click on back/forward or inks bar to get tabs of those like I can in firefox. And the search is lame...no search as you type.
I like the increased speed... I like the favicons in the link bar... but it's just as quirky as safari. And safari has a built in PDF viewer which neither Firefox nor Camino has. And I use firefox btw.
I want to like Camino. I really do. I try using it every so often, but the lack of features gets in the way. I tried the beta over the past couple of weeks, but it was really extremely unstable for me and crashed every couple of hours.
I use Firefox pretty heavily for web development and everything else. I like the aqua widget builds linked above. Firefox is noticeably slower than Camino, but it still works much better overall.
That said, Camino 1.1b is still my system "default" browser, even though I use Firefox pretty much exclusively. Of course, I hop between the big three pretty regularly and don't think about it too much. You aren't making any sort of investment by using one over the other, so it really isn't worth it to stress about the "decision."
I like the increased speed... I like the favicons in the link bar... but it's just as quirky as safari. And safari has a built in PDF viewer which neither Firefox nor Camino has. And I use firefox btw.
Try installling the MoreCamino Extension, its allows search as you type, without the preceding /
I personally prefer Camino (no movable tabs notwithstanding), but there are two features that have kept me chained to Safari - the private browsing option and (especially) dot mac sync compatibility. I use two computers interchangeably every day, and my bookmarks in Safari sync automatically across the two machines. I'm not aware of any way to achieve anything similar in Camino, or in Firefox, for that matter.
I personally prefer Camino (no movable tabs notwithstanding), but there are two features that have kept me chained to Safari - the private browsing option and (especially) dot mac sync compatibility. I use two computers interchangeably every day, and my bookmarks in Safari sync automatically across the two machines. I'm not aware of any way to achieve anything similar in Camino, or in Firefox, for that matter.
google browser sync.
also, you can have firefox clear your private data every time you quit the program. Prefs/Privacy/Always clear my private data....
I won't consider OmniWeb because I have to pay for it, and it offers no compelling advantages over free browsers.
I switched to OmniWeb because $14.95 is a small price to pay for the fastest browser on OS X, a scrollable tab drawer, workspaces, auto-saving browsing sessions among other things.
I hated it at first, but gave it a 3 day trial before buying loving it so much I had no choice but to buy it.
I personally prefer Camino (no movable tabs notwithstanding), but there are two features that have kept me chained to Safari - the private browsing option and (especially) dot mac sync compatibility. I use two computers interchangeably every day, and my bookmarks in Safari sync automatically across the two machines. I'm not aware of any way to achieve anything similar in Camino, or in Firefox, for that matter.
I tried Camino for a solid week but I had to switch back to Firefox.
Why? Well, Camino seems to be well behind the features that are currently available in Firefox. Specifically, it does not have:
1) Draggable tabs
2) Decent type-ahead find capability (its implementation seems to be at least one full version behind Firefox's)
3) Support for plugins
4) Sensible keyboard shortcuts. The lack of Ctrl-Tab for switching tabs just makes no sense.
5) Middle-Click to close tabs.
6) Decent preferences configuration, including adding to my cookie whitelist.
7) Decent configuration for the toolbar. For instance, the URL bar and google search bar are glued together, and there's no GO button.
Sorry, but Camino is really behind the curve, as its entire featureset is at least one full version behind Firefox's. Its only saving grace is that it's a Cocoa app, which gives speed and aesthetic improvements over Firefox, but little else.
I tried Camino for a solid week but I had to switch back to Firefox.
Why? Well, Camino seems to be well behind the features that are currently available in Firefox. Specifically, it does not have:
1) Draggable tabs
2) Decent type-ahead find capability (its implementation seems to be at least one full version behind Firefox's)
3) Support for plugins
4) Sensible keyboard shortcuts. The lack of Ctrl-Tab for switching tabs just makes no sense.
5) Middle-Click to close tabs.
6) Decent preferences configuration, including adding to my cookie whitelist.
7) Decent configuration for the toolbar. For instance, the URL bar and google search bar are glued together, and there's no GO button.
Sorry, but Camino is really behind the curve, as its entire featureset is at least one full version behind Firefox's. Its only saving grace is that it's a Cocoa app, which gives speed and aesthetic improvements over Firefox, but little else.
8 ) Recently closed tabs
9) Center click on a tab to close it
10) Right click on the back/forward buttons to open it in a new tab
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Do you mean you set the Middle Click button as Secondary Button
What about the Right Side of the MM?? what do u set it as
The left side is set as the primary button for simple clicking/selecting.
The middle "button" is the scroll button and can be programmed to enable Dashboard for example.
The right side is labeled "secondary" button and acts like a "right click" button.
Make sure to right click in an appropriate area of the web page to see the drop down menu that contains Back, forward, reload, i.e. not over an image
Any of the buttons can be programmed to have different options. Click on the drop down menus to see the choices.
now i get you...
that's not what I really have in mind... thanks anyway
oh lol
now i get you...
that's not what I really have in mind... thanks anyway
I use the mouse gestures add-on in Firefox. Camino does not have an add-on like that.
My main reason for switching was rendering issues. Many websites are optimised for IE, fewer for Firefox/Camino , but even less for Safari. Many websites are plain broken in Safari, at least many european sites are.
Also, things like spell checking, session restore, ad blocking are nice features in the latest Camino. And it is speedy. The only issue I have left is that scrolling is a little better animated in Safari, it feels somehow more smooth, although its not as there is any 'lag' in Camino.
I'm sitting on the fence between Firefox and Camino. I have no idea which to use.
Camino and Firefox fans, please feel free to do your best to sway me in your direction.
I won't consider OmniWeb because I have to pay for it, and it offers no compelling advantages over free browsers.
In my opinion, Safari is inferior in every way to Camino and Firefox. However, I'll give Safari 3.0 an honest try once Leopard comes out since it does seem to have a substantial number of new features.
Opera may be vastly superior to all Mac browsers. However, as much as I tried to like it, the interface is just too alien to me. Again, this is a matter of personal preference.
The reason I'm torn between Firefox and Camino.
Firefox pros:
1) Full extension support, including the del.icio.us plugin.
2) Keyboard shortcuts that make sense, like Control-Tab and F6 to access URL bar.
3) Spell-checking (non-native to Mac dictionary, but I don't care).
4) Superior preferences, including Cookie management, which lets you enter sites to allow cookies.
5) Link to extensions page within menu.
Firefox cons:
1) Slowest browser on Mac
2) Freezing issues, especially with Bookmark Bar bookmarks
3) non-Cocoa app without integration into Mac dictionary and other OS X API's
4) Ugly GUI
5) Inferior bookmark manager with no Bookmark Bar section
Camino pros:
1) Cocoa app
2) Blazing fast
3) Mostly stable
4) Much prettier than Firefox
Camino cons:
1) No spell-checking (to be added in 1.1)
2) Stupid keyboard shortcuts (Control-Option Left and Right for tab scrolling and Command-L instead of F6 for URL address field)
3) Inferior cookie management preferences. I can't enter sites exception sites for cookies. I can only remove them and let them get added automatically. (This is not fixed in 1.1
4) Inferior extensions manager and need to search for extensions page. There's no link in the preferences
I'm sure I'm missing out other little details.
Pros of both:
1) Keyboard shortcuts to webpages, like gg {search term} for Google. Safari doesn't have this and Opera's implementation associates it to a one-letter shortcut.
2) Type-ahead find. No other browsers I know of have this.
3) Support for userContent.css content-blocking. Opera's feature, which is GUI driven, is superior to all other browsers, however.
Anyway, you can't accuse me of not having put a lot of thought into this.
i've used all three extensively and as much as i've tried to convince myself otherwise, firefox is the best browser available (for any OS).
i'm confused about your pro/con list. some of them don't make sense. my FF doesn't freeze often, not any more than camino. i have a loaded bookmark bar and have never had that be an issue. i don't think camino is any "prettier" than FF -- and i am an aesthetics guy. i use the Opaque + Clear Tabs theme, and it looks great. i also can't live without my extensions. Showcase Fox gives me an expose-style window for my tabs. customize google for .... customizing google. stop-reload button for combining the stop and reload buttons (have fun getting the camino devs to even consider that idea). i can also store multiple login accounts for a single website -- not possible in camino because it uses keychain. some may see that as a positive, some a negative.
having used both camino and FF on the mac for months each, i don't see "slowest/fastest" browser thing. i just never quit out of Firefox, only close the window. clicking on the icon in the dock gives me a new window when i need one.
i honestly tried to make camino my browser. i used only camino for 3 months, but there were just too many features missing that i had to switch back to firefox.
Optimized for your CPU arch. Noticeably faster then Firefox standard.
Spicy...
Also, I can't right click on back/forward or inks bar to get tabs of those like I can in firefox. And the search is lame...no search as you type.
I like the increased speed... I like the favicons in the link bar... but it's just as quirky as safari. And safari has a built in PDF viewer which neither Firefox nor Camino has. And I use firefox btw.
I use Firefox pretty heavily for web development and everything else. I like the aqua widget builds linked above. Firefox is noticeably slower than Camino, but it still works much better overall.
That said, Camino 1.1b is still my system "default" browser, even though I use Firefox pretty much exclusively. Of course, I hop between the big three pretty regularly and don't think about it too much. You aren't making any sort of investment by using one over the other, so it really isn't worth it to stress about the "decision."
hit / to start seach-as-you type in camino.
and what exactly about FF is noticeably slower. it's not the page loading -- not on my macbook, at least.
...no search as you type.
I like the increased speed... I like the favicons in the link bar... but it's just as quirky as safari. And safari has a built in PDF viewer which neither Firefox nor Camino has. And I use firefox btw.
Try installling the MoreCamino Extension, its allows search as you type, without the preceding /
I personally prefer Camino (no movable tabs notwithstanding), but there are two features that have kept me chained to Safari - the private browsing option and (especially) dot mac sync compatibility. I use two computers interchangeably every day, and my bookmarks in Safari sync automatically across the two machines. I'm not aware of any way to achieve anything similar in Camino, or in Firefox, for that matter.
google browser sync.
also, you can have firefox clear your private data every time you quit the program. Prefs/Privacy/Always clear my private data....
I won't consider OmniWeb because I have to pay for it, and it offers no compelling advantages over free browsers.
I switched to OmniWeb because $14.95 is a small price to pay for the fastest browser on OS X, a scrollable tab drawer, workspaces, auto-saving browsing sessions among other things.
I hated it at first, but gave it a 3 day trial before buying loving it so much I had no choice but to buy it.
I personally prefer Camino (no movable tabs notwithstanding), but there are two features that have kept me chained to Safari - the private browsing option and (especially) dot mac sync compatibility. I use two computers interchangeably every day, and my bookmarks in Safari sync automatically across the two machines. I'm not aware of any way to achieve anything similar in Camino, or in Firefox, for that matter.
Can't live without private browsing?
Cut the porn addiction!
Why? Well, Camino seems to be well behind the features that are currently available in Firefox. Specifically, it does not have:
1) Draggable tabs
2) Decent type-ahead find capability (its implementation seems to be at least one full version behind Firefox's)
3) Support for plugins
4) Sensible keyboard shortcuts. The lack of Ctrl-Tab for switching tabs just makes no sense.
5) Middle-Click to close tabs.
6) Decent preferences configuration, including adding to my cookie whitelist.
7) Decent configuration for the toolbar. For instance, the URL bar and google search bar are glued together, and there's no GO button.
Sorry, but Camino is really behind the curve, as its entire featureset is at least one full version behind Firefox's. Its only saving grace is that it's a Cocoa app, which gives speed and aesthetic improvements over Firefox, but little else.
I tried Camino for a solid week but I had to switch back to Firefox.
Why? Well, Camino seems to be well behind the features that are currently available in Firefox. Specifically, it does not have:
1) Draggable tabs
2) Decent type-ahead find capability (its implementation seems to be at least one full version behind Firefox's)
3) Support for plugins
4) Sensible keyboard shortcuts. The lack of Ctrl-Tab for switching tabs just makes no sense.
5) Middle-Click to close tabs.
6) Decent preferences configuration, including adding to my cookie whitelist.
7) Decent configuration for the toolbar. For instance, the URL bar and google search bar are glued together, and there's no GO button.
Sorry, but Camino is really behind the curve, as its entire featureset is at least one full version behind Firefox's. Its only saving grace is that it's a Cocoa app, which gives speed and aesthetic improvements over Firefox, but little else.
8 ) Recently closed tabs
9) Center click on a tab to close it
10) Right click on the back/forward buttons to open it in a new tab
I think my 5 is your 8.
8 ) Recently closed tabs
9) Center click on a tab to close it
10) Right click on the back/forward buttons to open it in a new tab