The list goes on. Many of these are major applications that never saw the light of day until their 1.0 was unveiled.
Why does everyone assume that Apple has to run Leopard's secret features past developers before revealing them?
History proves just the opposite. When Apple has something really juicy to reveal, they keep it hidden until they release it. And then they release a 1.0.1 and so on to address anything that the public discovers after the release.
Agreed. To take it a step further: didn't everyone say that Vista RC1 was really unstable, and then a "stable" RC2 came out a short time later? If MS can pull something like that off, certainly Apple can as well. Ultimately, you never know what's really going on behind the doors in Cupertino.
I think the DigiTimes prediction is total BS, too. If Apple released Boot Camp as an update to Tiger, surely they can release a patch for Vista if one was necessary - for Tiger as well as Leopard. There's no reason to wait six months for such a trivial feature. Talk about incompetent journalism. What is DigiTimes, the tabloid of tech?
Ridiculous. Apple isn't trying to win XP -> Vista Switchers, they're trying to prevent XP -> Vista Switchers. Recall Apple's scare-tactic "I'm a Mac" ad where PC is undergoing surgury... They're using OS X as an alternative to the treacherous switch to Vista.
People who have already switched to Vista are likely the die-hard Windows fanboys (or the ignorant) who would never consider switching to OS X.
My father, although historically die-hard, is hesitating to upgrade to Vista. Now would be Apple's time to strike in order to win people like him. If, on the other hand, he had already upgraded, he would say, "I just upgraded to Vista, I'm not switching to another type of computer altogether. Also, I'm diappointed in you for following that hippie, son," and I would say, "I'm an adult now, dad, I can make my own choices!!" and he would say, "You're still a naive fool! I'm a failure for raising you like crap. Get out of my house!"
Some features and applications that Apple has released without ANY public testing, even by developers:
GarageBand
iPhoto
iTunes
Pages
Backup
Keynote
iMovie
Aperture
iWeb
Photo Booth
The list goes on. Many of these are major applications that never saw the light of day until their 1.0 was unveiled.
Why does everyone assume that Apple has to run Leopard's secret features past developers before revealing them?
History proves just the opposite. When Apple has something really juicy to reveal, they keep it hidden until they release it. And then they release a 1.0.1 and so on to address anything that the public discovers after the release.
A bit of a difference between applications and the entire OS.
Features that are apparently secret are going to be fully integrated into the OS. They WILL need testing.
People have been booting Vista in Boot Camp for almost a year now. And the whole point of Boot Camp is that you are booting an entirely different OS - there is no "integration" between the two OSes (unlike Parallels, where they run side-by-side).
The idea that Apple would delay their flagship product to add functionality to Boot Camp that already exists is completely absurd. Fortunately, Digitimes has a historical track record of 0% accuracy. You might as well quote something Mac OS Rumors - it's that unreliable. Why Appleinsider sees it fit to publish is beyond me. Must be a really slow Friday.
A bit of a difference between applications and the entire OS.
Features that are apparently secret are going to be fully integrated into the OS. They WILL need testing.
It's hard to say without knowing the scale and impact of the features, assuming the secret features do exist. A lot of apps are included with the OS that don't have an impact on the OS itself. The extra secret features could be major updates to iCal, address book, iSync, or some other app that doesn't need a new or modified framework to operate, or that it might need a new framework that's not needed by other apps.
I think it will be deayed but for other reasons. It just ain't gonna be ready.
I really hope that Apple does not start to follow M$ by delaying its OS for months and months because they can?t get it right...
I?m thinking that there?s either got to be a really top rated special feature that will be worth waiting for ( using .exe within OSX native ) or even "SWITCHING" between OS like switching users ??
If there?s not a top rated feature that makes us go Wow! I will be really disappointed.
or even "SWITCHING" between OS like switching users
?and Apple have unequivocally stated that virtualisation won't be in Leopard, so that'd rule that out.
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1.) Since apple aren't interested in virtualisation, that'd suggest they aren't interested in this either.
2.) Have you used crossover? It's not pleasant. The idea basically involves developing a whole new OS from scratch according to design specifications that you have to reverse-engineer. Not a recipe for a quick development with low bug levels and high compatibility rates.
I'd rather them delay the release rather than put out a OS release that isn't quite ready. I don't like being a beta tester for Apple. Tiger is working just fine, no need to rush.
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Digitimes?
Uh, nevermind.
The list goes on. Many of these are major applications that never saw the light of day until their 1.0 was unveiled.
Why does everyone assume that Apple has to run Leopard's secret features past developers before revealing them?
History proves just the opposite. When Apple has something really juicy to reveal, they keep it hidden until they release it. And then they release a 1.0.1 and so on to address anything that the public discovers after the release.
Agreed. To take it a step further: didn't everyone say that Vista RC1 was really unstable, and then a "stable" RC2 came out a short time later? If MS can pull something like that off, certainly Apple can as well. Ultimately, you never know what's really going on behind the doors in Cupertino.
I think the DigiTimes prediction is total BS, too. If Apple released Boot Camp as an update to Tiger, surely they can release a patch for Vista if one was necessary - for Tiger as well as Leopard. There's no reason to wait six months for such a trivial feature. Talk about incompetent journalism. What is DigiTimes, the tabloid of tech?
People who have already switched to Vista are likely the die-hard Windows fanboys (or the ignorant) who would never consider switching to OS X.
My father, although historically die-hard, is hesitating to upgrade to Vista. Now would be Apple's time to strike in order to win people like him. If, on the other hand, he had already upgraded, he would say, "I just upgraded to Vista, I'm not switching to another type of computer altogether. Also, I'm diappointed in you for following that hippie, son," and I would say, "I'm an adult now, dad, I can make my own choices!!" and he would say, "You're still a naive fool! I'm a failure for raising you like crap. Get out of my house!"
*tears well up*
Daddy never loved me!
-Clive
Some features and applications that Apple has released without ANY public testing, even by developers:
- GarageBand
- iPhoto
- iTunes
- Pages
- Backup
- Keynote
- iMovie
- Aperture
- iWeb
- Photo Booth
The list goes on. Many of these are major applications that never saw the light of day until their 1.0 was unveiled.Why does everyone assume that Apple has to run Leopard's secret features past developers before revealing them?
History proves just the opposite. When Apple has something really juicy to reveal, they keep it hidden until they release it. And then they release a 1.0.1 and so on to address anything that the public discovers after the release.
A bit of a difference between applications and the entire OS.
Features that are apparently secret are going to be fully integrated into the OS. They WILL need testing.
Can anyone point to any rumour story ever, about anything from Digitimes that has turned out to be correct?
What?! You mean that I should stop waiting for my G5 PowerBook?
Delay for other reasons, but not for Vista.
The idea that Apple would delay their flagship product to add functionality to Boot Camp that already exists is completely absurd. Fortunately, Digitimes has a historical track record of 0% accuracy. You might as well quote something Mac OS Rumors - it's that unreliable. Why Appleinsider sees it fit to publish is beyond me. Must be a really slow Friday.
A bit of a difference between applications and the entire OS.
Features that are apparently secret are going to be fully integrated into the OS. They WILL need testing.
It's hard to say without knowing the scale and impact of the features, assuming the secret features do exist. A lot of apps are included with the OS that don't have an impact on the OS itself. The extra secret features could be major updates to iCal, address book, iSync, or some other app that doesn't need a new or modified framework to operate, or that it might need a new framework that's not needed by other apps.
I think it will be deayed but for other reasons. It just ain't gonna be ready.
I really hope that Apple does not start to follow M$ by delaying its OS for months and months because they can?t get it right...
I?m thinking that there?s either got to be a really top rated special feature that will be worth waiting for ( using .exe within OSX native ) or even "SWITCHING" between OS like switching users ??
If there?s not a top rated feature that makes us go Wow! I will be really disappointed.
They don't. Or at least, I don't. What I was pointing out is that builds that are released to developers are betas.
More like Alphas
using .exe within OSX native
That's highly unlikely*?
or even "SWITCHING" between OS like switching users
?and Apple have unequivocally stated that virtualisation won't be in Leopard, so that'd rule that out.
*
1.) Since apple aren't interested in virtualisation, that'd suggest they aren't interested in this either.
2.) Have you used crossover? It's not pleasant. The idea basically involves developing a whole new OS from scratch according to design specifications that you have to reverse-engineer. Not a recipe for a quick development with low bug levels and high compatibility rates.
More like Alphas
Good point, given that they don't have all the features.
What?! You mean that I should stop waiting for my G5 PowerBook?
I would cancel the order, according to secret sources (???), The G7 PowerBook is coming, It will run at 6 Ghz, and ue Hidrogen cooling.
A bit of a difference between applications and the entire OS.
Features that are apparently secret are going to be fully integrated into the OS. They WILL need testing.
Where did you get that? I didn't hear Steve say "fully integrated." Only "secret features."
Things like iSync, Mail.app, and iChat technically features of the OS. But IIRC they were not revealed until release.
top rated special feature that will be worth waiting for ( using .exe within OSX native )
Tiger already has full and complete support for .exe and .com files. have you ever tried double clicking on one of those?
It is perfect, it always does the right thing, which happens to be nothing.
Why would I want to run a set of virus infested, flea infested set of exe files?
Tiger already has full and complete support for .exe and .com files. have you ever tried double clicking on one of those?
It is perfect, it always does the right thing, which happens to be nothing.
Why would I want to run a set of virus infested, flea infested set of exe files?
On my Mac, clicking on an .EXE launches the application inside Windows. Been doing that since Jaguar on a G4.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...licensing.html
On my Mac, clicking on an .EXE launches the application inside Windows. Been doing that since Jaguar on a G4.
I guess your G4 is infected, LOL.